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Old 07-31-2007, 05:08 PM
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main Post Office ready to move?


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Main Post Office moving near the airport?
Posted July 31, 2007 - 8:45am

I heard that employees of the US Postal Service (USPS) have been told that the Postal Service has purchased/acquired property off NE 82nd Avenue for a new processing facility. They already have four operations centers near the airport, one very close to the new site. This will likely result in the move of the downtown processing operations at the Main Post Office on NW Hoyt, probably in two or three years for construction.

Did you know that currently, most letters mailed in Portland go downtown for sorting, with local letters then coming back out to the neighborhood stations at which they may have been mailed? It may sound inefficient, but centralized processing turns out to be more cost-effective and accurate. I learned that while chaperoning a Markham Elementary School field trip behind the scenes at the Hoyt Street facility, at least six years ago since my youngest child will be a senior in high school next year.

The move will result in 10 acres of property on NW 7th/Hoyt/Broadway open for....?

Ten years ago, the Postal Service wanted to move, and the buzz was that Mayor Katz dissuaded them. Then the Pearl took off, and for the past several years the City seems to have been trying to pry the Post Office out of its prime site. It's rumored a meeting between Postal Service and Portland Development Commission officials happened in Washington, DC, in April. Last weekend, US Postmaster Jack Potter was in town, and apparently the stars aligned - the convergence of the three Potters, Jack, Tom, and Harry, notes my witty informant. The deal, I'm told, is done.

So convenient that the improvement of NE 92nd has just been funded, huh?

The new facility's site is in the Airport Way Urban Renewal District. Some are concerned about the lack of Tax Increment Funds resulting from the new construction, since the US Postal Service pays no property taxes. This lost revenue may be offset by attracting secondary businesses generating taxes. The move will relocate not only postal employees, but also the supporting companies who deal with the Post Office, especially the pre-sort houses. The result will be transfer of hundreds if not thousands of jobs to the area, providing services such as food, gas, etc., to employees. And besides, the City often gives away tax abatements to spur redevelopment in Urban Renewal Areas, and this new facility seems likely to contribute to a positive employment climate in the Airport Way area.

Some services may continue to be available to downtown businesses at the current location, even after the sorting facilities move. The box section and Business Entry unit are particularly useful to city center businesses. The Portland Development Commission owns the old post office across the street and the parking lot behind it, as well as Union Station. One PDC employee suggested that the goal was to tear down the USPS parking structure and take the park blocks all the way to the river. That is a rumor with no supporting documentation, but it is a nice idea. At the very least, relocating the Postal Service facility will reduce heavy truck transit at a major entry to one of downtown's upscale neighborhoods, and that is likely good news for residents there.


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Old 07-31-2007, 06:23 PM
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Sure would be nice to see that eyesore and parking gone. The could integrate a full service branch of the PO in a mixed use tower, then the rest of it could be new developed blocks around the park blocks. Unless they take out the new smart park, and the railroad, they really can't literally connect to the river.



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Old 07-31-2007, 06:28 PM
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Love that pic Wonderlandpark! It took me a minute to see how it was
done!


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Old 07-31-2007, 06:29 PM
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Some are concerned about the lack of Tax Increment Funds resulting from the new construction, since the US Postal Service pays no property taxes. This lost revenue may be offset by attracting secondary businesses generating taxes.
What about the revenue that will be generated by 10 acres of prime Pearl District development that will result from the removel that facility Amanda?

This is great news! Too bad it didn't happen five years ago- the building's might be going up today.

Or, Professional Baseball anyone?


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Awesome news!!


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Old 07-31-2007, 06:49 PM
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MLB would be fantastic in that spot now that the PPS site appears to be off the table.


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Old 07-31-2007, 06:55 PM
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I too have always thought that spot would be great for MLB. Close to light rail, streetcar and semi-close to the freeway. It would be a very cozy environment nestled next to the pearl and the north park blocks. Now if only our mayor...


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Old 08-01-2007, 02:58 AM
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I too have always thought that spot would be great for MLB. Close to light rail, streetcar and semi-close to the freeway. It would be a very cozy environment nestled next to the pearl and the north park blocks. Now if only our mayor...
If Portland committed this site for a MLB facilty, I would be in heaven. For that matter, I would be in heaven if a MLB facilty were to be located next to Rose Garden as the other proposed alternate site suggests. Bring MLB to Portland now!!!


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Old 08-01-2007, 03:13 AM
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This spot doesn't seem that great to me for a stadium, personally. I'd rather see an extension of the Pearl residential vibe.

The PPS site seems like a much better location. Close to what the city wants to be an "entertainment district", next to Interstate MAX, future streetcar, interstate access, maybe less of an impact for the necessary parking garages?

I have trouble imagining the Pearl welcoming the chaos and cars that a stadium would seem guaranteed to bring into the area on a regular basis.

I also think the Burnside Bridgehead is a better location for Columbia Sportswear, should they move back to the city, than PPS...


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I agree that the PPS site is the top choice but I understand that Columbia Sportswear is looking to place their headquarters complex there....


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^no, not really. Columbia applied for a tax break because the North Portland district that allows the break is set to expire, so they can apply for the tax break before the district expires and hold onto it for several years. They are just being smart and making sure all options are open. From my understanding, even if they did purchase the PPS site, it would eventually be turned into a vertical campus as opposed to the sprawling mess that is PPS.


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Old 08-01-2007, 04:26 PM
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⤴ Mark, I am sorry that I wasn't more clear. I did mean that Columbia was looking at the PPS site....not occupying their buildings but building their own. Sorry.


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Old 08-01-2007, 07:25 PM
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I think a MLB stadium would vibe perfectly with the Pearl. Denver's LoDo & Rockies stadium are in perfect harmony together. I personally think that stadiums within a city's downtown really make it feel like a bigger city. Just my psychology. Throw in an ESPN Zone and some more sports bars in close proximity alongside restaurants with rooftop seating to get a glimpse of the action in the ballpark (similar to Wrigley's nearby rooftops) and you've got one heck of a vibe going on.


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I say stadium on the other side of the river, on the schools site. It would be a tight squeeze to get a stadium in there. it would require a tall parking garage (the team would demand parking, no way a stadium would get built without it). Plus it is far from MAX. It would look fantastic sited there, but it just isn't the right place IMO.


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Its not far anymore. The new MAX line will go to union station. But I do agree it would be better off at the school site.

Id like to see the PO turned into Portland Central Park. For a city made up of so many parks, Downtown doesn't really have a large park close in. Think Portland's version of the new park in Chicago.


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Id like to see the PO turned into Portland Central Park. For a city made up of so many parks, Downtown doesn't really have a large park close in. Think Portland's version of the new park in Chicago.
Yeah!!! It would be great to have the N Park Blocks end in one enormous park, with interactive and ambitious public art. Maybe with some sort of ultramodern observation tower rising out of that corner where the Lovejoy ramp meets the bridge. Just dreaming...

I do wonder if people would consider such an idea superfluous, considering the Fields park being planned a few blocks away.


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Ask Chicago. That monster of a new park they built is amazing looking. That location would be a fantastic intro to PDX from Union Station. Why not a strolling park with pond and botanical garden, a place to get away from the city.


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that's what I want - a big park where one can get lost and forget that they're in the city.


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Old 08-01-2007, 10:56 PM
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that's what I want - a big park where one can get lost and forget that they're in the city.
Agreed...but first we need a city. We don't need more spaces in Portland's gap-tooth smile of a skyline. Personally, I'd like to see some tall towers and and extension of the north park blocks as far as possible. That way we could have our cake and....you know...eat it too!


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Can you imagine the public backlash if another park is built in the Pearl? You'd need developers to shoulder a larger cost of acquiring and developing the land into a park, possibly through a partnership allowing taller towers on the ajoining blocks before you could get any sort of public support. As much as I love the Pearl, I think most Portlanders would prefer two or three parks in underserved neigborhoods for about $3-$4 million each, versus a $10-$15 million park in an already park served section of town.


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