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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Bruce Allen's rant on immigrants?
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 2:22 AM
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Allen's Rant

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Vancouver Sun
Published: Wednesday, September 26, 2007

BRUCE ALLEN CLARIFIES EDITORIAL COMMENT OF SEPTEMBER 13

LISTEN HERE: http://www.cknw.com/shows/realityche...l.wma&wids=300

Today at 12:15pm, CKNW commentator Bruce Allen issued the following clarification of his Sept. 13 "Reality Check." The full text of the editorial is below and can be heard online at www.cknw.com.

I wasn't going to talk about my rant of September 13th ever again. It was over with. 90 seconds out of my life. A few complaint letters. Same old. Same old.

But then something happened. That rant began to take on a life of its own-where one week later-one week-a couple of politically motivated individuals decided that they could take this rant, and twist it into something more controversial.

The rant of Sept 13th was the opposite of what others in our province are pinning their political objectives on. First of all, if anyone really heard what I was saying, instead of just focusing on the phrase "shut up and fit in", they would have heard this-so I'll say it slowly this time.

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"If I didn't know better, it would seem that there has been a lot of immigrant bashing going on these past few months."

End quote.

I then proceeded to cite three examples of how I perceived two immigrant groups were being bashed. This offended me.

The first example had to do with Sikh children being denied passport photos because of what they were wearing on their head. I called this religious headgear a "handkerchief". This is incorrect. It is not a handkerchief. It is a patka. Or a turban. Like I said on the Christy Clark show, and I'm saying it again today, if I offended anyone, I apologize.

But where did the "handkerchief" word come from? Oh, surprise, surprise - The Vancouver Sun in an article written by Kelly Sinoski on Aug. 17. I didn't hear Kelly Sinoski being labelled a racist or that the Vancouver Sun was promoting hatred.

Next thing the agitators focused on was the mispronunciation on my part of the name Kaur. At the time I pronounced it as Khan, due to a typo. Khan is a Muslim name. Not a Sikh name. The name came up when I ridiculed the Immigration Department for considering making those with the surnames of Singh or Kaur change them to avoid administrative mistakes. I find this idea to be ridiculous and, if imposed, would be race bashing.

The idea of burka covered Muslim women possibly not being allowed to vote was the next example of race-bashing that I cited. In 2007, the very idea that this could ever be considered is absurd. And to me, would be race bashing.

These were all stories covered in the national press from coast-to-coast.

From there, I went on to cite a 10-year-old, but long settled, dispute as to whether turbans should be allowed to be worn as a Mountie, and another old one where a motorcyclist wanted to be able to ride his bike without a helmet, because he couldn't fit one over his turban.

Let me make it perfectly clear. These disputes have been settled. And I agree how they were settled. I have no problem with Sikhs wearing turbans in the RCMP.

We all read about it. Old news? Yes. Played to the hilt in the media? Yes. Racial? No.

So then I talked about the laws in this country. How they were spelled out-and easy to get hold of, and that if you want to come to this country, or any other country, as a visitor or an immigrant, you should respect them. I should know, my grandparents immigrated to this country.

And then that phrase that some people are focusing on. The quote was "But if you choose to come to a place like Canada, then shut up and fit in."

Too harsh? OK. At worst, the wrong choice of words.

My mail tells me that most Canadians support immigration, want the multicultural experience, but also want their new neighbours to respect the customs and laws of Canada. Most people who immigrate to Canada come here because they left their homeland to search out a better life.

The rules of Canada will be ever-changing, as they should be. And our new arrivals will and should have a say in how they evolve. So imagine my surprise and shock when I opened my door to get the Sunday paper, and see a copy of the Province with the headline, "Furor Erupts After Radio Comments."

What furor?

Because the media needed a story so they fabricated one? Because this radio station and their high-paid talk show hosts dragged this story out, so for once they had something controversial to talk about, and didn't have to climb off the fence to create it?

Because politicians who were currently out of favor, now had something to twist around to hopefully help them move up the food chain?

And so it goes. Once again, people are listening and not hearing. Those with an agenda prey upon that, and feed the uninformed.

I am the product of immigrants. Most of us are. Canada would not be the great country it is without immigration. That's a given. But when the media misquotes, and is being fuelled by malcontents, we stir up a situation where only the media benefits. This story should have been stillborn. And for a week it was. But when politics entered the picture, the gloves were off.

I go back to the first line of the piece. "If I didn't know better, it would seem that there has been a lot of immigrant bashing going on these past few months."

People heard, but didn't listen. The "furor" has been manufactured for political gain.

The only good thing coming out of this is the subsequent dialogue. People are talking. Many are talking to me, and I have learned a great deal. As long as we talk with an open mind, Canada will be a better place. We cannot let the politicians play their games at our expense. I'm sick of the misinformation. The obvious promotion of political agendas. And the words racist and hate mongering being used to describe my commentary.

And so it dragged on, with calls for my job, both at CKNW and VANOC. That's really good.

I don't like your opinion so you should lose your job.

I don't like your opinion so I'm going to threaten your life.

I don't like your opinion so I'm going to vilify you.

You are allowed to disagree, but at least get your facts right.

Give your head a shake! Stop and take time to listen to the entire comment.

"If I didn't know better, it would seem that there has been a lot of immigrant bashing going on these past few months."







I agree with you Allen! Every word of it!

And I must say, in recent years the Province has increasingly produced more and more spin on its front cover headlines....it's disgusting.
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 3:06 AM
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The Province has always been sensationalized trash that gets by on it's good looks and above average sports section.
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 3:40 AM
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seems most people are on his side

its really a non-issue but now some MLA or something is calling for him to be removed from the committee

to label him a racist is absurd

in Canada we are allowed to speak our minds - we need to protect that right - silencing him or forcing him to do anything is a step in the wrong direction
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 5:04 AM
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I agree with the man on all his points save for women wearing Burka's.

I don't feel he should have come under the fire he has.
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 5:42 AM
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I think this poll needs a bit more nuance. I don't agree with his rant, so I voted no. But I do agree with his right to speak his mind. Allen is an interesting media commentator, not one who is afraid to take a stand. And he is certainly not a racist.
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Old Posted: Sep 27, 2007, 5:42 PM
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i friggin hate how some people are calling him racist!! how the hell are his comments racist?? his opinions were meant for everyone. when has immigrants meant only asians/east indians etc. he could have just has easily been referring to some good ole god loving white boys from texas as immigrants.

people need to stop calling people racist for every god damn thing.
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Old Posted: Sep 28, 2007, 4:16 AM
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Originally Posted by giallo View Post
The Province has always been sensationalized trash that gets by on it's good looks and above average sports section.
I'm always shocked and kind of amused by how seriously some people take this paper. It really is just a sports paper with some news tacked on, and badly.
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Old Posted: Sep 28, 2007, 5:02 AM
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I agree but I still think he could have expressed his opinion on a more suitable way...

^Yeah I think it's funny how ppl are taking this soo seriously.
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Old Posted: Sep 28, 2007, 6:07 AM
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He's getting far more attention than he deserves.
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Old Posted: Sep 28, 2007, 7:40 AM
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If you cant learn to speak english after a couple of years of living here, if you cant follow our laws, if you completely isolate your self from the rest of the population, if you expect laws changed to favor you at the expense of others, if you come here for the only purpose of taking and not returning and if you come here only to create a safety net for your self by having dual citizenships while you live somewhere else then hit the door. We are multicultural country and i love it but there are allot of immigrants now a days who come here thinking that the country should revolve around them not the other way around. Have your customs, have your religion, have you language but at the same time assimilate in to our country, be Canadian first, original country second, having a dual culture is not that hard. Coming here is not a right, its a privelage, being a Canadian citizen is not a right its a privelage and infact can be taken away from you in extreme circumstances if you are not born here.

By the way I think he had a perfect choice of words, I think infact that they weren't harsh enough. Our country is changing rapidly and immigration is set to increase, now im not against it but there has to be some discussion about it, he has every right to voice his opinion. Infact most of us should be extremely happy to even be living here because it was his choice and people like him and his parents to allow us to come here in the first place, and to allow any immigration to take place. They had the right to set the path the way they wanted and they set it, they were the people and this was their country, for people to call them racist etc. because they voiced their opinion about the curent situation and where their choices decades ago took them is ludicrous.
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Old Posted: Sep 28, 2007, 7:42 AM
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Interesting comment:

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I did not immigrate to Canada, I was born here.

I was born in Canada, raised in Canada.

And I want to allow mounties to wear turbans if it is part of their faith. I want to allow people to have the right to keep their turban on for their passport photo.

There are tens of thousands of people like me.

And all of us campaign for these rights and freedoms as Canadian citizens.

It is our right to campaign peacefully and follow democratic principles to have laws passed which guarantee us those rights and freedoms of religion and religious practice.

As I have said in other posts in this group, all Sikhs are not immigrants, and immigrants who become Canadian citizens have equal rights to other Canadian citizens.

Many thousands of Sikhs in Canada are born and raised in Canada, and have every right to campaign for these things. We didn't come from anywhere foreign, we came from Canada and we will form the Canada we want for ourselves, our children, and our fellow Canadians.

Canada is only 140 years old, and Sikhs have been here for 110 of those years. Sikhs are part of the fabric of Canada and just like we have Irish, Scottish, British, French, German, (AND MOST IMPORTANTLY) First Nations customs and cultures in this country, we also have Sikh customs and cultures. The Sikh customs and culture is part of the Canadian culture as much as any other group that came here 100 or more years ago. Sikh identity and Sikh practices are a part of the overall Canadian culture.

The Sikh community, especially in BC, is not an immigrant community anymore. We have new immigrants, but we are actually a HOST community now. We have Sikh families who have been in BC for several generations. They have been here for a century or more. They have established whole towns, cities and villages. They own or manage large projects and large companies. They have contributed to all spheres of Canadian society, and now they are a big part of the Canadian mosaic.

I consider it very insulting that a community which has been a part of Canada for 110 years is still recognized by some people as "immigrants causing trouble." Sikhs in Canada are as Canadian as anyone else, if not more.
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