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Old Posted: Oct 30, 2007, 5:33 PM
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That looks suspiciously like a map of current bus routes - the frequent services routes (or some of them) specifically. And it does not include the current streetcar line nor the planned route along the eastbank.
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Old Posted: Oct 31, 2007, 3:24 PM
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That looks suspiciously like a map of current bus routes - the frequent services routes (or some of them) specifically. And it does not include the current streetcar line nor the planned route along the eastbank.
and looks surprisingly similar to the 1912 streetcar map minus the fact that Swan Island is an island and the Guild Lake area is a lake...
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I found this map on PDOT's website (see this link for the Streetcar System Plan - the map is under "Draft Primary Transit Index Exhibit").



I think that's probably where the Oregonian got the map shown in NJD's post above. This one doesn't say that these are potential streetcar routes, but just that they (the red lines) are "1st Level PTI." PTI = Primary Transit Index, which apparently is just a high demand transit corridor. Some of these could end up with streetcar lines, but I doubt the city is anticipating all of them. But we probably knew that. Sorry if this map or the link has been posted before.
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From the Oregonian...
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Study of Lake Oswego rail link OK'd
Options - The effects of a streetcar or enhanced bus service will be examined
Friday, December 14, 2007
YUXING ZHENG
The Oregonian

Though years away, a streetcar linking South Waterfront to Lake Oswego took another step closer to reality Thursday when Metro councilors approved an environmental impact study.

The study will examine the effects of two transportation options: a streetcar ending at Johns Landing or Lake Oswego or enhanced bus service along Southwest Macadam Avenue and Oregon 43.

The move eliminates the bus rapid transit option creating bus-only lanes at about eight intersections between Portland and Lake Oswego, which drew limited interest in study groups and low ridership estimates.

"This is a quality project," said Councilor Carlotta Collette, who supports a streetcar extension to Lake Oswego, which sits in her district. "It'll be an important link in the regional system."

The study would begin in January 2009 and take 12 to 18 months to complete, said Karen Withrow, a Metro spokeswoman. A combination of federal grants and money from local governments would pay for the $5.5 million study.

Ten officials and residents testified Thursday in support of a streetcar, though they disagreed if it should end in Johns Landing or Lake Oswego.
Roger Martin, executive director of the Oregon Transit Association and a Lake Oswego resident, said a streetcar to Lake Oswego would best meet regional need despite opposition from property owners in Dunthorpe and Johns Landing.

"They have no desire to solve transportation problems in Lake Oswego or West Linn," he said.

A streetcar would extend from its current end in South Waterfront to three possible sites: temporarily or permanently at Nevada Street in Johns Landing, or in Lake Oswego at either the Albertsons on State Street or the Safeway on Boones Ferry Road. If the streetcar ends in Johns Landing, TriMet would probably offer expanded bus service connecting to Lake Oswego.

"We want to connect Portland and Lake Oswego without having to force people to transfer," said Dave Unsworth, TriMet's project development manager. "I think we're supportive of looking at this. Generally, we think it should go further south."

If the streetcar extends to Lake Oswego, it would run along Macadam Avenue or the Willamette Shore Trolley line, which is in public ownership.
The Willamette right of way is valued at $75 million and could be used to leverage up to $112.5 million in federal money.

The enhanced bus service option would mean more frequent service, and the addition of bus shelters, benches and lighting along stops on Oregon 43. But because enhanced bus service would not use the right of way, it would not qualify for federal funds.

Constructing the streetcar extension could cost between $200 million and $216 million with annual maintenance of $2.2 million, according to estimates from Metro. Those figures include the cost of a pedestrian and bicycle path that officials and residents have strongly supported. Construction on a streetcar would begin in 2013 at the earliest.

A steering committee in September recommended the streetcar as the preferred option for further study. The streetcar is estimated to have the highest ridership of all the alternatives by 2025 and the shortest travel time -- 24 minutes from Lake Oswego to Portland, compared to 42 minutes with bus rapid transit.

Lake Oswego Mayor Judie Hammerstad, said Metro is wasting time and money to study anything other than a streetcar to Lake Oswego. Buses along Oregon 43 will not meet ridership numbers, take advantage of federal funds or fulfill the goal of providing a high-capacity route linking Lake Oswego to Portland, she said.

"The need is to take the congestion off 43," she said. "It will be a parking lot in 2025."
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I have a serious inquiry, here:

Does anyone have enough access to Sam Adams to ask him why in all the world Sandy is a higher priority route for the streetcar to him than Hawthorne?

Is it because it would be easier to extend the east loop? Or what is it? I'm a bit miffed over this whole thing, and I have been since he started talking it up last year.
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^probably has to do something with the fact that a large developer has bought a ton of property in the lower Sandy area and Sam can squeeze him for necessary property levy to get the line built. Lower Sandy can build more dense housing than Hawthorne, the prime Hollywood district also can get higher densities through the neighborhood association than anything on Hawthorne.
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^probably has to do something with the fact that a large developer has bought a ton of property in the lower Sandy area and Sam can squeeze him for necessary property levy to get the line built. Lower Sandy can build more dense housing than Hawthorne, the prime Hollywood district also can get higher densities through the neighborhood association than anything on Hawthorne.
Ah, funding before convenience.

A hawthorne streetcar would be incredibly successful, no doubt, but from what you said I figure we should see the viability of putting the streetcar through older pre-developed areas before going into the fickle hawthorne area.
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The only way Hawthorne is getting a streetcar, in the current society, is to develop Foster to Lents at the same time because Hawthorne is pretty well developed and high priced (I should know, I lease my business space here). Which, if you look at it, is roughly 6 miles or $200-250+ million. Sam wants to push for his Burnside couplet/streetcar idea (Metro est. $118.5 mil), and an extension from the newly forming eastside entertainment district to the booming Hollywood district (Metro est. $70 mil) would greatly help develop the very underutilized and low density Sandy Blvd.

Westin, who recently purchased a large swath of Sandy was orginally cold to the idea of a streetcar there... but, he seams to be opening up to the plan...
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Westin...I could picture the guy but couldn't come up with his name. I knew it wasn't Benson, that is his tower...I guess Mr. America would work, considering his obsession with the flag...
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I think it is spelled Weston.......
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^probably has to do something with the fact that a large developer has bought a ton of property in the lower Sandy area and Sam can squeeze him for necessary property levy to get the line built. Lower Sandy can build more dense housing than Hawthorne, the prime Hollywood district also can get higher densities through the neighborhood association than anything on Hawthorne.
mark, is that speculation or something concrete?
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It was in a previous article posted in here; apparently Weston bought like 12 city blocks' worth of property near Sandy/Hollywood TC.
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Weston now owns about 20 blocks along Sandy between 12th and Hollywood, including all of the Jantzen buildings around 17th/18th.
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i've often thought that the second and third stories of some of the older buildings around sandy and 42nd would make for awesome lofts.
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New Eastside Loop meeting minutes here.

Lots of interesting info.
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Basically saying they haven't got their financials in order, it seems.

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New Eastside Loop meeting minutes here.

Lots of interesting info.
i don't get it - i thought we were sailing through this funding process. having read the minutes, though, i can't tell what's going on.

honestly, i've never agreed with the justification for this project. "a ring, you know, like the ringstrasse in vienna" they keep saying. that would be fine, if, historically, there was some sort of ring road that organized traffic in a circle pattern around the central city, but we don't have that, and i don't think people move around the city like that.

and did anyone else notice that it's expected to take *68* minutes from omsi to lovejoy?? maybe that was roundtrip omsi-omsi. even so, what a way to feed the critics, huh? it seems like it would be far more effective to build out along mlk, broadway, sandy, hawthorne, etc before trying to connect down grande.
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Streetcar to Sellwood

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...93131805163100

Transit plans take long road

TribTownStreetcar extension not yet ruled out as projects creep forward

By Jim Redden
The Portland Tribune, Dec 18, 2007

L.E. BASKOW / TRIBUNE FILE PHOTO

The aging Sellwood Bridge is in serious need of repair or replacement, and a panel is studying the options. Determining a final design and cost is likely to take until 2009.

The idea of extending the Portland streetcar to Sellwood is complicating two significant transportation projects – dealing with the aging Sellwood Bridge and creating a transit line between Portland and Lake Oswego.
No one has formally proposed building a new Sellwood streetcar line.
But city transportation Commissioner Sam Adams is interested in extending the streetcar service throughout Portland and believes the Southeast Portland neighborhood of Sellwood might be a good candidate, along with such east-side areas as Hollywood and Hawthorne.

“There are a number of neighborhoods that could be well-served by new streetcar lines, but a lot of work needs to done before deciding which ones are the best,” he said.

Primarily because of Adams’ interest in the issue, those working on the Sellwood Bridge and the Portland-to-Lake Oswego transit project are trying to avoid making any decisions that would preclude a new Sellwood streetcar line.

This is not yet much of a concern for the Sellwood Project Advisory Group, a panel of regional elected and transportation officials working on the project to repair or replace the bridge.

Adams serves on the committee, which last met Dec. 10 to finalize which alignments and bridge designs to approve for the Draft Environmental Impact Study phase of the project – a step that must be taken to qualify for federal aid.

The meeting ended with the committee agreeing to study how well four designs would work on four possible alignments, including rehabilitating the existing bridge at its current width.

The two lowest-cost designs are the box girder and delta frame. Two higher-cost designs are the deck arch and through arch.

The committee also agreed to study two designs for a separate bridge for pedestrians and bicyclists: cable-stayed and stress ribbon. No cost estimates are yet available for such a bridge.

Trolley line still in running

Despite the large number of remaining options, a streetcar line could theoretically be included on all of the designs under study, said Mike Pullen, a spokesman for Multnomah County, which owns the bridge.

Pullen said that because a streetcar weighs only as much as a large truck, the rehabilitated or replacement bridge would not have to be strengthened beyond current thinking. And because no stops would be required on the bridge, the line could be run within the existing two-lane width.

“We’re not actually planning for it, but there’s nothing we’ve done yet that would prevent it,” Pullen said.

Depending on which alignment and design is chosen, current cost estimates for the bridge range from around $270 million to $400 million, in 2012 dollars, the year construction is expected to begin. The county has not yet secured its match, estimated at around $100 million.

The Portland-to-Lake Oswego transit project also moved to the environmental impact phase last week.

The Metro Council approved further in-depth study of two possible streetcar routes through the Johns Landing neighborhood between the South Waterfront and the existing Sellwood Bridge.

One would install rail in the outer lanes of Southwest Macadam Avenue. The other would follow the existing rail line, which lies between Macadam and the Willamette River, a route known as the Willamette Shore line.

Residents in the numerous condominiums along the river favor the Macadam Avenue route. They argue that the existing rail line runs too close to some of the condos that have been built since freight trains stopped running on the line more than 10 years ago.

“The line is so close to some of the units, you could reach out and snatch a drink off the deck,” said Vern Rifer, a Portland developer and resident of one of the affected condominium developments, who serves on a citizen committee advising Metro on the project.

Streetcar heads south

Rifer favors running the line along Macadam Avenue. He argues it would spur redevelopment of the Johns Landing neighborhood by giving residents and visitors a transportation alternative.

Rifer also noted that both routes could include a spur across the river into Sellwood that would encourage travel between the neighborhoods.
“There’s nothing that would prevent it from hooking over the Sellwood Bridge,” Rifer said.

Metro has yet to decide whether to run the line through the Dunthorpe neighborhood to Lake Oswego, an option strongly opposed by many of the people who live along the route.

In some cases, the proposed streetcar line cuts through backyards, and even between houses and garages.

“I’m concerned about the safety of the children who live here, and also wonder if there would be enough riders to support it,” Riverdale area resident Elizabeth English said.

Cost estimates for a line to Lake Oswego range from just under $200 million to more than $215 million.

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