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I'm not sure how you would even begin to rehabilitate people who enthusiastically committed an attack and arson like these girls did. They were raised wrong. Plain and simple. No "nurture vs nature" dialectic at all. I sure as hell hope the parents aren't shrugging this off or blaming their presumably lousy lot in life or society in general for their daughters' actions. The whole thing sickens me and I don't know how we fix it.
Are there any criminologists or criminology students reading this forum?
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I'm not sure how you would even begin to rehabilitate people who enthusiastically committed an attack and arson like these girls did. They were raised wrong. Plain and simple. No "nurture vs nature" dialectic at all. I sure as hell hope the parents aren't shrugging this off or blaming their presumably lousy lot in life or society in general for their daughters' actions. The whole thing sickens me and I don't know how we fix it.
Are there any criminologists or criminology students reading this forum?
I'm not surprised if their parents are doing this. One's children just show who their parents are. And call me racist and stereotypical, but some aboriginals just don't care about their chidlren. I'm not saying all, and I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this forum, but this issue is just pissing me off.
Kevin Falcon says they will model their system after London and Amsterdam. The SkyTrain system will have a card system or gate system for their stations. Gated systems: ridershop 30% increase, fare evasion dropped to 2% from 20%, safer in the restricted/controlled area of stations.
Private comopany will finance and install the gated system. More information will be presented next year.
Global News (will have more news after) [I'm typing this as the article is presented on global - I'm sorry if it sounds confusing/messy]
Kevin Falcon says they will model their system after London and Amsterdam. The SkyTrain system will have a card system or gate system for their stations. Gated systems: ridershop 30% increase, fare evasion dropped to 2% from 20%, safer in the restricted/controlled area of stations.
Private comopany will finance and install the gated system. More information will be presented next year.
Global News (will have more news after) [I'm typing this as the article is presented on global - I'm sorry if it sounds confusing/messy]
that sounds incredible...even orgasmic. at least Falcon is doing ONE thing right...
I saw the story on Global. Those figures are quoted as what Amsterdam experienced after implementing fare gates.
Sounds like the Province will pony up the cash - hopefully it'll also provide money for the increased operating costs of manning the stations (or maybe they'll just reassign existing staff - depends if the numbers jive).
The story did mention implementation next year, but if it's going to be privately supplied and operated, expect an RFP process that will take some time followed by contract negotiation and a lengthy construction process, which may in some cases require municipal approvals for station modifications. On top of that, Translink has indicated that it needs to thoroughly examine the various fare card technologies before barrelling forward - not sure how far along that process would be, although they have probably already started.
Hopefully they'll have enough space at the stations for more than say two turnstiles in each direction.
Hopefully they'll have enough space at the stations for more than say two turnstiles in each direction.
That would be an utter disaster...bottlenecks at the major stations, which do have quite narrow passages. Same goes with the Canada Line stations, especially Vancouver City Centre Station...there's only one narrow way in and out.
That would be an utter disaster...bottlenecks at the major stations, which do have quite narrow passages. Same goes with the Canada Line stations, especially Vancouver City Centre Station...there's only one narrow way in and out.
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Hopefully they'll have enough space at the stations for more than say two turnstiles in each direction.
That is what I have been worrying about too. Many of the Expo Line stations don't really have a large ticket concourse level and actually have no room for gates, for instance: 29th Ave, Joyce, Patterson, Edmonds, etc. There will be a need of some kind of reconstruction with these stations AND/OR the purchasing of small/slim gates like some of the ones in Korea =D
Many of the Canada Line stations are really worrying me too.... such as VCC (like Mr. X said), Olympic Village, and Broadway - City Hall.
That is what I have been worrying about too. Many of the Expo Line stations don't really have a large ticket concourse level and actually have no room for gates, for instance: 29th Ave, Joyce, Patterson, Edmonds, etc. There will be a need of some kind of reconstruction with these stations AND/OR the purchasing of small/slim gates, which i have not seen any on the market yet.
Many of the Canada Line stations are really worrying me too.... such as VCC (like Mr. X said), Olympic Village, and Broadway - City Hall.
A few years ago, Translink said it would require at least $100 million to install fare gates onto the Expo SkyTrain Line. Why? The stations weren't designed for fare gates and would require a rehaul.
However, the M-Line and Canada Line have fare gates in mind to their designs so it'll be quite cheaper to install.
And to see where I'm getting at, look at how narrow the passages are for the Canada Line:
Is it just me or did anyone count 4 turnstiles for the Vancouver City Centre diagram?
Most of the Canada Line plans just show maybe 4 gates total, plus a wider manual (or automatic?) gate for baby strollers and wheelchairs to get though.
Hopefully they won't be bi-directional gates - apparently those are irritating. My cousin who lived in NYC said that you have to stare down people coming from the opposite direction or you won't get through the gates - and if you hesitate after you pay your fare and the other person forces their way through, you can't get through and you've lost your fare.
Most of the Canada Line plans just show maybe 4 gates total, plus a wider manual (or automatic?) gate for baby strollers and wheelchairs to get though.
Hopefully they won't be bi-directional gates - apparently those are irritating. My cousin who lived in NYC said that you have to stare down people coming from the opposite direction or you won't get through the gates - and if you hesitate after you pay your fare and the other person forces their way through, you can't get through and you've lost your fare.
omg i hate those too...
But remember, the Canada Line is underground... if they ever need to expand. they can dig... though that will be $$$$$
Sea Island shows 3 gates - but there's space for more on the other side of the elevator. I think most of the Canada Line stations can be configured to provide space. Even VCC can be reconfigured to cut back on the retail space and install gates at the wider area.
Aberdeen/Lansdowne style stations pose more of a problem - the gates are separate leading to each platform. If you go up the wrong escalator, you may have to pay again to exit and then go up the other side (but payment by distance would probably register as a zero distance travelled). BUT, you'd definitely have to pay again if you get off at Aberdeen after missing a stop at Bridgeport in order to make a U-turn. They need to ensure that you can switch platforms without exiting the system. That can be implemented by creating a passage from side to side along the back wall.
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