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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 10:22 PM
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I have 4 young kids, and few things infuriate me more than other parents who allow their children to be disruptive and/or use their children to gain attention by proxy. I completely understand the Bard on the Beach policy. Some situations are simply inappropriate for young children. An unamplified, live, outdoor performance is certainly one of them. And I would say that most Shakespeare material is generally "PG-13" rated anyway.
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 10:34 PM
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its true though - busses over there suck - my friend lives in fleetwood and to get to strawberry hill area he needs to transfer about 3 times and takes just over an hour - so he drives and takes him about 20 mins at the most

all the busses seem to funnel peopel to surrey central - there don't seem to be many useful direct routes from one part of surrey to another
Yup it is either 2 buses going via Cloverdale (backwards) to the 364 or 3 buses. My old roommate used to commute from Fleetwood to Kwantlen.
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1 hour with walking for sure!

You would think the 335 would go to Newton as well. It is a dead end route stopping in Fleetwood. It is so close at 84th Ave and 148st but the 341 goes on 148st to Newton.

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Switching everything to the 15 minute grid system in Surrey will help out with getting to places in between transit exchanges.
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 10:44 PM
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Does anyone know how the bus routed connecting Maple Ridge and Langley / Surrey are doing (via the GEB). Has their ridership been increasing at all? Just curious.
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 11:07 PM
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hopefully the 2 cent\l gas tax increase will be passed by Victoria giving Translink the money to do the service increases South of Fraser & the Evergreen Line .
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 11:08 PM
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I also believe it would allow them to continue with the full Expo line station upgrades.
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 11:32 PM
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Does anyone know how the bus routed connecting Maple Ridge and Langley / Surrey are doing (via the GEB). Has their ridership been increasing at all? Just curious.
I took the 595 back in February of this year in the AM, half the seats were taken. A jump from the 3 people that were on the bus last September also in the AM.
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Old Posted: Aug 25, 2011, 12:22 AM
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its true though - busses over there suck - my friend lives in fleetwood and to get to strawberry hill area he needs to transfer about 3 times and takes just over an hour - so he drives and takes him about 20 mins at the most

all the busses seem to funnel peopel to surrey central - there don't seem to be many useful direct routes from one part of surrey to another
There's supposed to be 3 cross-town routes.. The first one being 364 along 64th Ave, the second is 388 along 88th Ave, and the next one is supposed to go alone 96th Ave. All three are supposed to be frequent all day route at least every 15 minutes. I don't know how 364 is doing, but the ridership on the 388 is so poor that they're turning it into community shuttle, let alone adding mid-day services. At this rate, I don't know if the route along 96th Ave will ever go through...

Why does all bus go to Surrey Central.. Its because they're the only routes at the mthat is sustainable without draining all the money away from Translink at the moment. On a similar note, the 375 - a north/south route that doesn't go to central - is going down to hourly service during the evening as well...
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Old Posted: Aug 25, 2011, 3:34 AM
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I think the 396 implementation has been held back by the eastern twinning of that segment of 96th.
You will notice that there are bus pullout bays (no stopping in the lanes!) on the new 4-lane sections of 96th.

The 396 is likely to bisect the Port Kells industrial area as well as upcoming residential area. However there would be a conflict there as the 501 already serves the Port Kells area and provides east-west movement from there along the 104th corridor....
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hopefully the 2 cent\l gas tax increase will be passed by Victoria giving Translink the money to do the service increases South of Fraser & the Evergreen Line .
Should be a 10¢ per liter tax to pay for ubc line and lrt for surrey.
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It's kinda sad, I was really hoping that with a new premier who was a little more centered on the political spectrum that we would see some movement on public transportation, but in reality it doesn't appear that anything new is even close to happening. What ever happened to the government transportation plan that was introduced to build evergreen line, ubc line, and the expansion in surrey. What needs to happen is that the evergreen line which has been endlessly delayed needs to be built, then shift focus to bringing a comprehensive system of LRT to surrey. Vancouver could even do with a few LRT lines to support skytrain and give riders more options. Being a longtime member of this forum and being a world traveler I recognize the potential for the lower mainland to become a sustainable entity. It's to bad or politicians can't seem to get anything done...
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Old Posted: Aug 25, 2011, 9:40 PM
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Old Posted: Aug 25, 2011, 10:46 PM
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A few UBC students on my Facebook are complaining about the new system.
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Old Posted: Aug 26, 2011, 5:22 PM
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Another anti-transit rant in the province.
http://www.theprovince.com/Editorial....html#Comments
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Old Posted: Aug 26, 2011, 8:42 PM
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The article while polar and attempting to be controversial, does have a point. I hear it constantly from people on the "transit or nothing" religious debate that driving isn't faster but it isn't just about that. For many it is also the convenience. It's difficult to stop and get groceries on the way home. Or get a phone call during work asking you to be somewhere for dinner. Or having a lot of flexibility when you can get to work or leave work.

My girlfriend works downtown and takes Canada line to work every day. It’s great and she could make the argument she doesn’t need a car as many of her friends do. But she doesn’t. Why? Because like many of her friends who don’t admit it, she uses my car at least once a day be it going to get groceries, being picked up from work by me to go to Burnaby to visit friends, going out to visit my parents, or just heading somewhere in a timely fashion that is easier by car compared to 2 sky-trains, 4 buses, and 6 transfers.

Living a transit only lifestyle only really works in downtown Vancouver and even then often only works with single young people who have single friends living in the same area. Living in metro-Vancouver as a family with kids without a car though is very near crippling.

That's just reality.

If we were as dense as Hong Kong or New York where people often live and die in a 10 block square, then cars may go the way of the dodo. But in Metro-Vancouver we're a good 100 years away from anything of that sort. So the truth is cars are needed and won't go away. We need to try to reduce car usage though as best as possible though.

Focusing on getting rid of them completely or making it such a black and white religious debate of CAR _OR_ TRANSIT is just ridiculous and counterproductive and in that sense I agree with the article, leave us car drivers alone.
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Old Posted: Aug 26, 2011, 11:07 PM
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The article while polar and attempting to be controversial, does have a point. I hear it constantly from people on the "transit or nothing" religious debate that driving isn't faster but it isn't just about that. For many it is also the convenience. It's difficult to stop and get groceries on the way home. Or get a phone call during work asking you to be somewhere for dinner. Or having a lot of flexibility when you can get to work or leave work.

My girlfriend works downtown and takes Canada line to work every day. It’s great and she could make the argument she doesn’t need a car as many of her friends do. But she doesn’t. Why? Because like many of her friends who don’t admit it, she uses my car at least once a day be it going to get groceries, being picked up from work by me to go to Burnaby to visit friends, going out to visit my parents, or just heading somewhere in a timely fashion that is easier by car compared to 2 sky-trains, 4 buses, and 6 transfers.

Living a transit only lifestyle only really works in downtown Vancouver and even then often only works with single young people who have single friends living in the same area. Living in metro-Vancouver as a family with kids without a car though is very near crippling.

That's just reality.

If we were as dense as Hong Kong or New York where people often live and die in a 10 block square, then cars may go the way of the dodo. But in Metro-Vancouver we're a good 100 years away from anything of that sort. So the truth is cars are needed and won't go away. We need to try to reduce car usage though as best as possible though.

Focusing on getting rid of them completely or making it such a black and white religious debate of CAR _OR_ TRANSIT is just ridiculous and counterproductive and in that sense I agree with the article, leave us car drivers alone.
Come on. It is only anti transit people that are saying that it is all or nothing. A common tactic is to paint people on the other side as being extreme. Sure, transit doesn't work for everyone all the time but nether does driving. There are a lot of people who can't drive or don't want to drive everywhere for everything. But don't pretend that the choosing or being forced to drive because of lack of other alternatives doesn't have many negative impacts on many people, including drivers themselves. Governments do have the responsibility to protect people from the actions of others. In a growing region, it is just not affordable or practical for people to drive everywhere for everything, that is why it is critical to improve transit. Just look at the tolls for the new bridges. $6 dollars a day in tolls is far more costly to drivers than a $2 gas tax for transit.

Unfortunately, opinion pieces like that in the Province that resort to all sorts of ridiculous rhetoric is exactly the time of black or white religious type of argument that you claim not to like.

For example, a 2 cent gas tax is hardly going to "to tax people out of their vehicles" and to claim that it is an "attack on individual rights" is absurd. As the tax is less than 2% of the cost of gas, if it has an impact, it would only be that people drive 2% less. So one out of 50 days, they don't drive.
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A few UBC students on my Facebook are complaining about the new system.
I dunno how UBC implemented it but at SFU you just go to the registrar area, and swipe your ID after which the machine spits out the pass. Some people just like complaining I guess.
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Old Posted: Aug 27, 2011, 8:57 AM
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I dunno how UBC implemented it but at SFU you just go to the registrar area, and swipe your ID after which the machine spits out the pass. Some people just like complaining I guess.
isn't the machine the same one as VCC dispensing machine:
http://langaravoice.posterous.com/45475336

If it took less than 10 secs as described, what are the reason of complain? It is better than mailing if I were a student.
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Old Posted: Aug 27, 2011, 3:44 PM
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There's supposed to be 3 cross-town routes.. The first one being 364 along 64th Ave, the second is 388 along 88th Ave, and the next one is supposed to go alone 96th Ave. All three are supposed to be frequent all day route at least every 15 minutes. I don't know how 364 is doing, but the ridership on the 388 is so poor that they're turning it into community shuttle, let alone adding mid-day services. At this rate, I don't know if the route along 96th Ave will ever go through...

Why does all bus go to Surrey Central.. Its because they're the only routes at the mthat is sustainable without draining all the money away from Translink at the moment. On a similar note, the 375 - a north/south route that doesn't go to central - is going down to hourly service during the evening as well...
people just prefer cars in surrey - it could take some time before people even know the routes exist, bus service in general isn't very useful for many people and their lifestyles these days - we have to change their lifestyles first
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isn't the machine the same one as VCC dispensing machine:
http://langaravoice.posterous.com/45475336

If it took less than 10 secs as described, what are the reason of complain? It is better than mailing if I were a student.
we've been using the machine at VCC for months - it's extremely easy - unless your a person who needs hand holding and reminders to do things, its a no brainer

maybe the ones complaining miss getting a reminder in the mail or something?
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Old Posted: Aug 27, 2011, 4:08 PM
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The dispensing machines are the same at every U-Pass school campus. People at SFU and UBC are bitching because they have to go to the machine every month instead of having the pass mailed to them every semester.

I picked mine up on the 25th, the first day they were available, and there was only a lineup because new student IDs were required in order to use the machines, which is obviously a one time thing.
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