Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 460

officedweller · #**9181** Posted: **Feb 15, 2012, 9:01 PM**

Presumably becuase the additional fuel costs of having knobbier tires aren't cost-effective over the whole season.

Metro-One · #**9182** Posted: **Feb 15, 2012, 9:02 PM**

Just what i was thinking. Not to mention how expensive the tires would be for only a weeks worth of service.

officedweller · #**9183** Posted: **Feb 15, 2012, 9:17 PM**

Hey, wait a second...

Maybe the evaluation of the gondola should add:

- cost of winter tires for buses on the route,
- labour costs associated with installing winter tires on buses,
- downtime while tires are installed,
- additional fuel costs, and
- winter tire storage costs.

Maybe that'll "justify" the cost of the gondola, gievn there wasn't much of a gap.

excel · #**9184** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 3:09 AM**

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=197706

Outsiders view on our transit system.

SpongeG · #**9185** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 6:01 AM**

he was super impressed with skytrains frequency - the same frequency people in here whine about - haha

golog · #**9186** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 6:17 AM**

To be fair, Skytrain is decades late in some parts of the city and decades early in others

bardak · #**9187** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 7:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

he was super impressed with skytrains frequency - the same frequency people in here whine about - haha

To be fair he was talking about the midday frequency of 3 minutes most of the complaints are about the evening/late night frequencies on the Canada line branches or upping the Canada line frequency during the peak due to overcrowding.

SpongeG · #**9188** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 7:21 AM**

what evening is 6 or 7 minutes? thats still better than most cities i've visited

bardak · #**9189** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 7:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

what evening is 6 or 7 minutes? thats still better than most cities i've visited

On the branches of the Canada Line the evening frequency is 12 minutes not 6-7.

SpongeG · #**9190** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 8:43 AM**

what time and where?

if i need to get from oakridge centre to vcc downtown there is never a 12 minute gap between trains at the most 6 or 7

deasine · #**9191** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 8:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

what time and where?

if i need to get from oakridge centre to vcc downtown there is never a 12 minute gap between trains at the most 6 or 7

I think bardak already said it: branches of the Canada Line.

Think: Oakridge gap is 6 minutes. Since trans split to YVR and Richmond, if a frequency at a combined section is 6 minutes, that means at the branch sections, it's every 12 minutes.

SpongeG · #**9192** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 8:56 AM**

only if you live in richmond a suburb, i don't expect suburbs to ever get frequent service, if you live anywhere in the city (of vancouver) you get amazing frequency

i live in coquitlam and i would neever expect any better frequency than what we get now from lougheed town centre outside of the day time - daytime at 6 mins is fine enough

westendjack · #**9193** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 9:02 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG

only if you live in richmond a suburb, i don't expect suburbs to ever get frequent service, if you live anywhere in the city (of vancouver) you get amazing frequency

i live in coquitlam and i would neever expect any better frequency than what we get now from lougheed town centre outside of the day time - daytime at 6 mins is fine enough

In lots of places anything 15 minutes or less is considered frequent service. We're just a bit spoiled. Waiting for the C-Train when I'm back in Calgary these days can drive me crazy.

Although, come to think of it, when the Evergreen Line opens, I'm pretty sure you'll be getting frequency in the 3 to 5 minute range (its after midnight and I can't remember correctly) and right from the get go you'll be getting frequency that's greater than the Canada Line's 12 minutes on its branches at night.

SpongeG · #**9194** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 9:05 AM**

i know thats why i think its laughable that people in here whine about it lol

thats all

i was in san francisco catching a muni train and we had gotten to the platform and the sign said we had to wait 14 mins! and this was just after dinner around 6:30 pm on a weekday - coming back from where we were going was even worse - apparently the train only ran once an hour and we ended up waiting two hours cause something happenned and they just didn't run the train we were waiting for

Echowinds · #**9195** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 12:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG

only if you live in richmond a suburb, i don't expect suburbs to ever get frequent service, if you live anywhere in the city (of vancouver) you get amazing frequency

i live in coquitlam and i would neever expect any better frequency than what we get now from lougheed town centre outside of the day time - daytime at 6 mins is fine enough

The Millennium Line (non-Expo) which for the most part has similar ridership to the Richmond section has vastly better late night frequencies and better evening frequencies. Evening is 6 minutes for the North Burnaby sections vs 12 minutes for the Richmond sections. Late night is just bad for the Richmond sections, seeing as it is as 20 minutes wait vs. 8 minutes in the Millennium Line. This results in surprisingly packed trains during late night in Richmond. 20 minutes is just bad.

Frankly, no sane Richmondite is complaining about the daytime frequencies, which is certainly quite good at ~6 minutes. If Richmond gets the same services as the "suburbs" of Burnaby and Surrey, there won't be any criticisms at all about the frequencies. I see no reason to not strive for the same excellent standard in all the growing suburban town centres. The Expo line at the Surrey sections have better frequencies than the combined Canada line, so I guess suburbs actually can get pretty excellent frequencies too.

I think Skytrain as a whole is excellent and has frequencies on par with subway lines in cities several times larger than Vancouver, but that doesn't mean it is laughable to point out there few weaknesses there are.

st7860 · #**9196** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 3:21 PM**

The millenium line can run whatever trains at however often translink tells them to.

The canada line follows the "PPP" agreement which specifies service levels.

Zassk · #**9197** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 7:39 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by st7860

The millenium line can run whatever trains at however often translink tells them to.

The canada line follows the "PPP" agreement which specifies service levels.

It is the same pot of money paying the same incremental expenses in either case. We have seen that the PPP has enough flexibility to bring in additional service on short notice.

dennis1 · #**9198** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 10:41 PM**

I don't know where to put this but:

Why doesn't the WCE have all day service?

st7860 · #**9199** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 11:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

I don't know where to put this but:

Why doesn't the WCE have all day service?

Probably because its designed to be commuter rail

WarrenC12 · #**9200** Posted: **Feb 17, 2012, 11:04 PM**

The track is leased for certain runs. It's in use by CP/CN during the day.