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Old Posted: Jun 12, 2008, 9:22 PM
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CTV News story... according to them council will decide monday night whether to approve it.... more on tonight's newscast at 6

http://www.swo.ctv.ca/news.php?id=18...347ce8989bc991

watch for documents being posted for the meeting
http://www.kitchener.ca/calendar/cal...spx?CalPara=16
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2008, 12:23 AM
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Finally, we will at least have an answer to Centre Block. I know I will be crossing all my fingers for a couple of days! Maybe I am being naive, but I really think the city will agree to Andrin's proposal. This is the perfect thing for downtown right now. It could really put us on the map. Does anyone know if Monday's council meeting will be broadcast on the local Rogers station?
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2008, 12:01 PM
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Is council just deciding if they should go with Andrin's proposal or someone elses? Or is council having to commit any money to this as well?
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2008, 7:26 PM
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centre block evaluation committee report

RECOMMENDATION:
That Andrin Investments Limited be selected as the successful proponent for the redevelopment of Centre Block on the basis of the evaluation and recommendation of the Centre Block Evaluation Committee as set out in Report # CAO-08-010, and on the basis of Andrin’s preliminary design concept as presented to Finance and Corporate Services Committee this date; and further that

Staff be directed to continue negotiations with Andrin Investments Limited on the details of a non-binding Letter of Intent to be used as the basis for the preparation of a development agreement for Centre Block.
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Good! Approve it and get on with it already!
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2008, 9:13 PM
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Yeah, I want to see this development get started. Even if it does get approved it will still probably be quite a long, slow process. Although, the speed of Andrin's construction projects in the past has been more favourable than, say, Auburn!
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Centre Block proposal ready for council

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Centre Block proposal ready for council


June 14, 2008
Terry Pender
RECORD STAFF

KITCHENER

City council will be asked Monday to spend another $5.5 million on the redevelopment of a moribund block in the core.

After a year of negotiations with Andrin Investments Ltd., staff will ask council to select the Brampton-based developer for the long-awaited rebuilding of Centre Block.

It will be the latest chapter in the city's nine-year effort to assemble the land -- bounded by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets -- and persuade someone to redevelop it.

"It continues with the huge momentum we have in the downtown core," said Mark Garner, head of the Kitchener Downtown Business Association and a member of the committee that evaluated the Andrin plan.

Included as part of the deal would be a cash infusion of $5.5 million by the city to pay for the cost of building 250 underground-parking spaces for the public, which Kitchener would own.

"There is a need for increased parking in the core," Garner said. "If we are going to get that growth, I think there is a huge need for that."

If councillors approve the deal, a detailed development agreement must be negotiated with Andrin, which could take up to five months. The company must also pre-sell 60 to 70 per cent of the 384 condominiums it plans for the site before construction begins. Work could start next spring.

It would take four years to finish the $90-million project, which includes two condo towers and shorter buildings that would wrap around Duke, Young and King streets. An underground parking garage with 750 spaces and a courtyard are also planned.

A committee of staff and citizens, formed in early 2007, has evaluated the plan and endorsed it.

"I think it is very important to get some high-quality housing in the Kitchener core," said committee member Rick Haldenby, the director of the University of Waterloo school of architecture.

Andrin wants to convert the historic Mayfair building into a boutique hotel and spa. Retail and live-work units are slated for the three-storey buildings fronting Duke, Young and King streets. The renovation of two other historic addresses on King is also part of the plan. "We need a social and cultural mix in the core, and I think this has the potential to draw people to live downtown," Haldenby said.

The city spent $9.1 million to assemble the land and buy out several businesses. The figure includes $7.65 million for the land and businesses and $1.45 million on legal fees, closing costs and consultants.

Under the proposed deal, Andrin will pay the city $3.1 million -- $2.3 million for the vacant land, $100,000 for a strip of land along King Street and $700,000 for the historic buildings at 11 Young St. and at 156-158 King St.

The 250 parking spaces would cost $35,000 each, for a total of $8.75 million, said Dan Chapman, acting city treasurer.

The city has $5.5 million earmarked for the parking from its economic development investment fund. That, coupled with the funds from the sale of land and buildings to Andrin, would be used to pay for the parking spaces.

"So our estimate right now is that we are about $400,000 short in funding, but we are still in negotiations with Andrin," Chapman said.

The city is on the hook to provide 175 parking spaces to Wilfrid Laurier University students and faculty for $20 a month per space. This was part of the deal negotiated to attract the school of social work to the downtown.

Andrin is no stranger to Kitchener. It partnered with Kimshaw Holdings to convert the former Kaufman factory into condominiums. That project cost more than $40 million.

When the city sought proposals for the redevelopment of Centre Block, three companies submitted plans by April 2007 -- Morguard Investments, the Windmill Development Group and Andrin. Within a few weeks Morguard and Windmill withdrew, leaving Andrin as the sole developer to negotiate with the city.

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What is actually being decided at tonight's (Tuesday's) meeting regarding Centre Block?
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So on the city's website it sounds like the downtown advisory is all thumbs up for Centre block project after today's meeting! I still really don't know what they were trying to achieve at the meeting though?
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Kitchener will pursue Centre Block deal with Kaufman Lofts company
June 17, 2008
Terry Pender
RECORD STAFF

KITCHENER

City councillors unanimously voted yesterday to pursue a deal with Andrin Investments Limited of Brampton for a $90-million redevelopment of Centre Block, which is bounded by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets.

But it will take up to six years to transform the moribund downtown block into a high-density development producing about $390,000 a year in taxes for city coffers.

"It has been a long process," Mayor Carl Zehr said during yesterday's meeting of the finance committee.

About nine years ago the city started buying land and businesses on Centre Block after learning a pornographic movie house was going to open on the block next to City Hall. In total, the city spent about $9.1 million to buy the land, businesses and pay associated fees for lawyers and consultants.

"This is the type of development we have been looking for and it is now on our table," Zehr said.

The proposal calls for two mid-rise buildings containing about 385 condominiums. A 16-storey building will be constructed at Duke and Young streets, and a 12-storey building off King Street.

A four-storey building will wrap around Duke and Young streets. Another four storey building will be built along that block's now-vacant stretch of King Street.

A public courtyard will be built in the centre of the block, and an underground-parking garage with 750 spaces will be built. The first floor of that garage will have 250 spaces for the public. The city will buy those spaces from Andrin for $8.75 million.

"Quite frankly I am very pleased," Coun. John Gazzola said.

A development agreement must be negotiated between the city and Andrin. Once that is in place Andrin will begin pre-selling condos. If all goes well construction could begin next spring.

Andrin is well know to city officials as that company did the $40 million conversion of the old Kaufman factory into condominiums.

"We really look forward to working with you and creating a great development for our downtown," Coun. Geoff Lorentz said.

"I think this will be a real boost for our downtown core, and it will certainly add a lot of character and excitement to our downtown, which we really need," Lorentz said.

In 1998, the year before the city started buying land on Centre Block, the land and businesses there produced $35,000 in city taxes. Once the proposed development is completed it will produce an estimated $390,000-a-year in city taxes, and another $800,000 annually to be split among Waterloo Region and the two school boards.

"Fundamentally this is going to bring significant new dollars to our community," Coun. Berry Vrbanovic said.

Peter Smith, the head of Andrin Investments spelled out the timelines for city councillors.

The first phase would see the buildings constructed at Duke and Ontario streets, along with part of the underground garage. The second phase includes the buildings on the King Street side of the block, and the rest of the underground-parking garage. The third phase is the conversion of the Mayfair building into a boutique hotel and spa.

"My guess is that would be over a five or six year period, with phase one being about 24 months, phase two being about 24 to 36 months and the Mayfair following after that," Smith said.

Smith said Andrin must pre-sell 70 to 75 per cent of the condos before construction begins.

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I hope that was just a typo about the 16 storey building, its supposed to be 18, isn't it? Anyways, good news. I doubt there will be any problems selling those units.
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Isn't 70-75% of units presold an awfully high number to wait for before beginning construction?

IIRC, most condo developments begin construction at a far lower number.
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Yeah that does seem high, I think they will be able to do it though. The paper must have made a mistake with the 16 storeys.
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it will take up to six years to transform the moribund downtown block into a high-density development
That's just a bit depressing.

Looks like we may be stuck with a parking lot as our region's centerpiece till 2014 - or longer if there are more delays.

This just seem like so far far away. Especially since I can remember being excited about centre block redevelopment schemes eight years ago now and to think we're still six years away is just a bit sad.
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What is being decided on Monday Night'scouncil meeting?

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It says on the city website that final approval was to be decided at last night's council meeting. Has anyone got any information on this? It was not in the paper today.
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I e mailed my councillor, Christina Weylie about what happened in last night's council meeting regarding Centre Block. She said that Andrin will be putting together a final proposal for council to consider. She also said that Andrin can start to test the waters for interest in the condos. Maybe we will start seeing some advertisements this Summer.
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Here's a blunt question:
Is Centre Block a go?
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Old Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 3:09 PM
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lol I've been asking the same thing for a couple of days! I've been e-mailing and I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone at City Hall. My prediction is that negotiations will drag on through the Summer, and hopefully we will have an official answer by the Fall.
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