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Old Posted: Apr 9, 2009, 1:26 PM
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They are worried because the Kaufmans took forever to sell out. Phase two anyways did.
You must be thinking of some other development. Phase II sold out in about six months, which is far faster than the norm. For example, it took more than four YEARS to sell all of the Seagram Lofts...
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Old Posted: Apr 9, 2009, 2:11 PM
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Yeah, I was pretty sure after original sales were so good, they went back and even added extra floors to the Kaufman building.

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Yeah, I was pretty sure after original sales were so good, they went back and even added extra floors to the Kaufman building.
Im pretty sure you're right. So good that those that bought lofts saw immediate jump in the value of them because of the high level of demand.
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yeah I remember looking at those on 3 different occasions as I was house shopping for over a year. Near the end there I remember the sales guy saying they only had a handful of units available and how he was hoping to finally be out of there cause he'd been there so damn long.
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Old Posted: Apr 16, 2009, 1:59 PM
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Speed up Centre Block, city told

April 16, 2009
Terry Pender
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KITCHENER



Some downtown property owners are worried it could take up to 10 years to see a strategic corner redeveloped.

Bernie Nimer, a developer who owns the building at 179 King St. W., said landlords in the core support the city's proposed agreement with Andrin Ltd. for the redevelopment of the western half of Centre Block.

Nimer said the corner of King and Young streets, which includes the Mayfair Hotel and 156-158 King St. W., should be redeveloped sooner than proposed in the agreement.

The buildings have been vacant for years, he said, and it doesn't make sense to leave them like that after the city spends about $8 million on King Street upgrades this year.

Some downtown property owners are willing to help Andrin redevelop the corner sooner, he said.

"I think we have beat this horse to death," Nimer said of the years of work the city has devoted to redeveloping Centre Block.

City officials met with some members of their economic development advisory committee yesterday to get their reaction to the proposed agreement of purchase and sale that will see the city sell 2.6 acres on the block bounded by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets for $3.1 million.

"We all agree these are strategic properties on King Street and we would all like to see them develop sooner rather than later," said Rod Regier, the city's director of economic development. "This is a really important location for the city."

The first phase includes an underground parking garage, about 220 condominiums in a building at Young and Duke streets and a shorter building that wraps around both streets. The second phase includes about 165 condominiums on King in a mixed-use building.

The final phase is the renovation and restoration of the Mayfair Hotel and the building next door into a boutique hotel and spa. The total value of the project is estimated at $90 million.

Ian Cook, of Cook Homes, said the second phase of the project should be done before anything else. It would bring a finished product to King Street faster, Cook said.

"I can tell you that is an active debate within Andrin," Regier said.

Reversing the order of the phasing is complicated by the need to build the underground parking garage first.

Under the proposed agreement, it could take up to 3 1/2 years before construction starts on the first phase.

Mark Bingeman, general manager of Bingemans, said the proposed agreement should see the city compensated for the years of work it has put into the site in case the developer pulls out.

Brian Bennet, a consultant on the advisory committee, said the city should set a deadline for Andrin to build a presentation centre and model suite. That could cost up to $500,000 and demonstrate Andrin's commitment to the project, he said.

The deal will be reviewed by the city's finance committee on April 20. Council is scheduled to ratify the agreement on April 27.

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It just seems like its one thing after another with this project. Lets make it happen!
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Speed up Centre Block, city told
I concur!
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Old Posted: Apr 17, 2009, 6:12 PM
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Under the proposed agreement, it could take up to 3 1/2 years before construction starts on the first phase.
Come on...in 3 and a half years nobody will care or remember about this. Hasn't this city learned anything over the past 40 years?
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Construction may take until 2012 to begin
June 16, 2009
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Kitchener council will sell a hectare of downtown land to a developer who plans condominiums next to City Hall.

But construction may not launch until 2012, and there may not even be a sales office on site until August 2010.

Council approved the Centre Block deal last night in a 5-2 vote. Coun. John Gazzola and Coun. John Smola were opposed.

"I really feel our taxpayers deserve a better deal," Gazzola said.

Other councillors say it's time to move on and try to develop the site on King Street, just east of City Hall.

"Although this may not be the perfect deal . . . we need to give it a chance," Coun. Berry Vrbanovic said.

"It may not be perfect, but it is a fair deal," Mayor Carl Zehr said.

Some highlights:

If construction launches by Nov. 2012, council will sell the lands to Andrin Limited for $3.1 million. That's after council spent about $13 million over nine years to assemble the lands and buildings.

Council plans to spend up to $8.8 million more, to buy up to 250 underground parking spaces.

Council can pull the Mayfair Hotel from the project if someone else can be found to redevelop it sooner.

Andrin has indicated it must pre-sell about 180 units before constructing a first phase.

The proposed redevelopment ultimately includes about 380 condominiums, underground parking, and retail space along the streets.

Development and construction agreements are still to be finalized.

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And once again, we get to hurry up and wait.
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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2009, 9:03 PM
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It appears that all the development planned or in the finishing stages in Waterloo is syphoning off any potential buyers from the Centre Block project.

What with the Bauer complex, 144 Park, the Canbar project and a host of others, Kitchener doesn't stand a chance of any development in the near future.

Sad....but the multi million dollar streetscaping won't go wanting as I'm sure Kitchener people who live downtown will enjoy the beautiful scenery planned for their core.

It's wonderful that every few years they get to enjoy all that Kitchener council bestows upon them.
Wish Waterloo could do the same.
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... it never ends with this city. Amazing how at a snail pace this city does business.... im gonna be long dead before I see the Kitchener i want.... our city is run by chimp people.... chimps.
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Is it just me or does the City of Kitchener love to make poor land development/sale decisions? The past couple year has seen the Uniroyal clean-up and sale of property at a loss, this Centre Block sale at a loss, etc. I realize they have a long way to go to fixing up Kitchener but thank goodness for Mr. Gazzola. These decisions are really starting to add up financially.
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But, is somewhere like Uniroyal a situation where without the City stepping in to fund the cleanup and sale at a loss, the site would languish as being uneconomical?

It looks bad for a site to be sold at a loss, as if taking a brownfield, spending $10mil to detox it and then selling it for $4mil is poor planning. But what is converting some former eyesore into a positively contributing piece of the city fabric actually worth? Would you blink if $6mil went to a streetscape renewal or, to quote a certain Record interviewee, to "fix up our parks"?

My office resided, until recently, in a fairly decrepit office space built on the front of a warehouse in North Waterloo. The landlord cared not to put money into it, and the thing wouldn't be redeveloped-- squeeze rent til it falls apart. Our accountant suspected that the property the building was on had no redevelopment value-- anyone who bought the property to redevelop would have to shoulder the cost of cleanup of site contamination he suspected was pretty severe.

It's not unreasonable to me that the Cities target certain sites like these for rehabilitation on the public dime. Now that's not to say that there isn't ample space for mismanagement along the way...
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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2009, 2:18 PM
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It's not unreasonable to me that the Cities target certain sites like these for rehabilitation on the public dime.
I understand what you are saying, but in a capitalist society should we not be making the private sector pay for this clean-up and take any loss? We may as well face that we are becoming more and more communist/socialist everyday. Auto Industry bailouts, industrial clean-up. The public (government) is covering for these irresponsible businesses at a rate BEYOND what is received from corporate taxes. That is not responsible or capitalist.

But again, I know what you are getting at... it is good planning or the right thing to do... but in the bigger financial picture it's becoming pretty stupid.
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Old Posted: Nov 17, 2009, 10:38 PM
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Number of residents downtown has grown 31 per cent

November 17, 2009
By Terry Pender, Record staff

KITCHENER — More people are living and working in the downtown area five years after the city launched an ambitious multi-million dollar plan to bring more life to the central neighbourhoods.

“It was recognized that education and knowledge creation would be the foundation,” Silvia Di Donato, the city’s manager of downtown and community development, said in a presentation to city councillors on Monday.

In the past five years more than $100 million in tax dollars was spent on the downtown and surrounding neighbourhoods.

“In a very short time we have already moved to a critical mass in the life sciences,” Di Donato said.

The city provided $30 million and the land for the University of Waterloo school of pharmacy. That led to a medical school next door that will open next year. It also sparked a $40 million conversion of the old Kaufman factory into 249 condominiums and a $30 million renovation of the Lang Tannery.

A bio-tech firm also located in the core. That firm moved into the second floor of a building that was bought and renovated by a local developer. Shopper’s Drug Mart opened a large store on the main floor.

“Our goal is to build investor confidence,” Di Donato said.

“The kind of confidence that will cause businesses and developers of residential-office-retail to want to locate in the downtown to help boost and diversify the economy,” Di Donato said.

City councillors approved the Downtown Strategic Plan in October 2004.

Since then the farmers’ market was opened, a new entrance to Victoria Park was built on Joseph Street, King Street East was reconstructed a couple of years ago and this summer King Street West was done. The Wilfrid Laurier University graduate school of social work opened in the old St. Jerome’s High School on Duke Street.

The city started programs to help building owners improve facades and convert space on upper floors into residential units.

“We are doing really well,” Di Donato said.

The number of people living in the downtown and surrounding neighbourhoods is up seven per cent to 18,774 during the past five years. When you look at just the downtown, the number of residents increased by 31 per cent to 2,100.

The number of businesses in the core increased by 10 per cent to 697 and the number of employees is up by 16 per cent to 11,967. The office vacancy rate was cut in half to 6.8 per cent.

“That’s amazing to me, very good,” Coun. Christina Weylie said.

Attendance at downtown festivals is up to 380,000 from 288,000 five years ago.

About 728 new residential units were built in the core. A new parking garage is going up at Charles and Benton, another will go underground behind the Queen St. Library and a new courthouse will be built off Scott Street.

“Retailers rely on a ready market for their goods and services, convenient if not captive, and therefore rely on residents in and around the downtown,” Di Donato said.

The city and the Kitchener Downtown Business Improvement Area are working with a Manhattan-based consultant in an effort to improve the mix of retailers in the core.

“I think that’s been our problem in the past, which is having the wrong mix of retail businesses and how do we get it right?” Coun. Geoff Lorentz said.

The downtown business association is preparing a detailed plan to change the retail landscape over time.

“We need to attract residents and employees to a magnetic environment to attract talent,” Di Donato said. “Talent is probably the number one driver for the new economy.”

Coun. John Gazzola wanted to know what is happening with Centre Block—2.6 acres of land the city has spent about $13 million to assemble. It is bounded by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets.

“We have not heard anything about that for quite a while,” Gazzola said.

Rod Regier, the city’s director of economic investment, said a development agreement with Andrin Homes should be ready for approval soon.

Brampton-based Andrin has proposed a $90 million redevelopment of the block, which includes condominiums, mixed-use buildings, underground parking and a small park. A development agreement is supposed to be in place by the end of the month.

“We will be bringing a draft of that agreement to council in the next short little while,” Regier said. “We have been meeting steadily over the last little while and progress is being made.”


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/\ It's great to see that downtown Kitchener is on its way to meeting the density requirements set out in Places to Grow as an urban growth centre. I really wish that Waterloo and Cambridge would take on a similar aggressive municipally-run campaign to attract more investment into their cores. This is especially true for Waterloo since it must meet a 200 residents and jobs per hectare target as well by 2031 (the same minimum gross density target as downtown Kitchener). Downtown Cambridge (Galt) is only 150 residents and jobs per hectare under Places to Grow, but that's not that far off from 200 and that's not to say they shouldn't launch anything either.
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A development agreement between the city and Brampton-based Andrin Homes is expected to be made public today, calling for the construction of 385 condos on Centre Block, which is bordered by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets.
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^ I'll believe it once I see shovels go into the ground. Until then, this project is Barrelyards to me.
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Old Posted: Dec 8, 2009, 12:46 AM
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^ I'll believe it once I see shovels go into the ground. Until then, this project is Barrelyards to me.
Well Barrel Yards is happening very soon.
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We can only hope... for both...I am curious to see if Center Block does get a go ahead how they do..

As for the barrel yards I think the Apartments are in the first phase so they should get on that because they know they can rent those out.

The condos are in the second phase I think.
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