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Old 04-09-2009, 07:49 PM
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That "antenna crap" adds extra height to the building and that is what New York needs. Sure it may not count towards the official height but I tend to like the antenna.
New York needs extra height? Please.

It's there because it is an easy way for the owner to increase NOI with basically no operating expenses. As such, it probably won't be going anywhere any time soon.


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Old 04-09-2009, 08:14 PM
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Didn't they test out LED lights like 2 years ago? I thought they were replacing the floodlights at the top with LED's this year. Any news on that or did that fall through?

I would suspect they would change them now with the rest of the building being fixed up. Also, maybe they should clean the facade and get it back to a more vibrant color like they did with the Chrysler.


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Old 04-09-2009, 11:29 PM
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New York needs extra height? Please.

It's there because it is an easy way for the owner to increase NOI with basically no operating expenses. As such, it probably won't be going anywhere any time soon.
I didn't say the purpose of the antenna was to add height that's obviously not the case. Sure it adds height but that isn't what it is there for. Anyway the building looks good with the antenna than without it.


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Old 04-10-2009, 04:57 AM
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the ESB looked retarded without the antenna


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Old 04-10-2009, 04:58 AM
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Umm... I agree on part of that. I think much of that crap should be removed from the spire. It makes it look like crap!

But the antenna above the spire should stay because it makes the building look sleek, sexy and just looks awesome.


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Old 04-10-2009, 05:26 AM
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That "antenna crap" adds extra height to the building and that is what New York needs. Sure it may not count towards the official height but I tend to like the antenna.
Wasn't a reference to the antenna on top

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just wish they'd get all that antenna crap off the Deco mast.
From some of the latest photos I've posted over in the ESB thread, I agree that some of that broadcasting crap needs to come off. But as I've said, with the Freedom Tower becoming a non-option, that doesn't seem likely.


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Old 04-10-2009, 05:29 AM
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Old 04-10-2009, 07:55 PM
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Heh, never realized what a mess it is up there. Good thing you can't really make it out 1,250 feet below on the street. Hopefully something can be done, but I'm sure the ESB will be broadcasting for some time to come, as well as Conde.


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There is way too much shit up there. That ruins a lot of images. It looks like a tower in some dystopian sci-fi future.

I also agree that it needs a scrub down. When I went on top back in 2001 I was amazed at the condition of the mooring mast; they really let it go.

And one more thing, I hope they even out the mechanical vents. Random window vents just don't look right.

Just want what's best for one of my favorite buildings.


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Old 04-11-2009, 10:12 PM
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I was amazed at the condition of the mooring mast; they really let it go.
I hope they won't ignore that during the makeover. It's likely it'll get the treatment the Chrysler got some years back. When this "rebuilding" is complete, this icon and American classic will be among the most modern in the world.

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/st...6/daily32.html

Empire State plan seen as Boston blueprint

by Michelle Hillman
April 9, 2009

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New York City’s iconic Empire State building is experimenting with reducing its carbon footprint in a $500 million program that is expected to reduce the property’s energy use by 40 percent.

If successful, the program is expected to soon target energy efficiency in dozens of Boston’s pre-World War II buildings, according to real estate sources.

At the end of the retrofitting process, the partners expect the Empire State Building will be able to qualify for LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) for Existing Buildings) certification from the U.S. Green Building Council.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/06/news...ney_topstories

Empire State Building: New energy role model

By Steve Hargreaves
April 6, 2009

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The famous spire lights, which change color throughout the year in accordance with different holidays and events, are not getting an upgrade. But engineers on the project said the spire may get ultra-efficient LED lighting when the price for that technology drops enough, perhaps by 2013.

In addition to its fame - it was the world's tallest building for over 40 years - it's also an important testing ground because of its age. The building is made of granite and was completed in 1931.

"The Empire State Building was the perfect opportunity," said Ian Campbell, an executive at Johnson Controls, the company performing the retrofit. "You can teach an old building new tricks."

Campbell said once completed, the makeover should put the building among the top 10% of energy efficient buildings worldwide.


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Old 04-12-2009, 03:55 AM
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There is way too much shit up there. That ruins a lot of images. It looks like a tower in some dystopian sci-fi future.
its kind of cool though


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its kind of cool though
In an evil empire kind of way...



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So what is it that they are planning to do?


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Old 04-13-2009, 10:38 PM
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So what is it that they are planning to do?
Try reading a little.


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Old 05-05-2009, 08:36 PM
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http://www.observer.com/2009/real-es...state-building

F.D.I.C. Nears Lease for 100K Feet at Empire State Building

By Dana Rubinstein
May 5, 2009

The F.D.I.C., which has been scouring the Manhattan market for about 100,000 square feet for a year, may well have settled on a building worthy of the federal government’s heightened stature in the marketplace: the Empire freakin’ State Building!

A source close to the negotiations confirmed that the F.D.I.C. has a lease out for about 100,000 square feet at the newly revamped, and forever iconic, Art Deco tower, bought by Wien & Malkin from a group that included the Trumps for a mere $57.5 million in 2002.

The F.D.I.C. wouldn’t comment. But if it’s true, that doesn’t mean the lease is a sure thing. Reminder: We are talking about a bureaucracy.

“Board approval is required to proceed with lease execution,” said F.D.I.C. spokesman Andrew Gray, who would not comment on the agency’s potential new location. “We hope to have [lease execution] by the end of May.”

If the board pooh-poohs the choice, then it’s back to the streets for the F.D.I.C.’s brokers at Grubb & Ellis.

But if the choice is the Empire State Building, it’s hard to imagine any pooh-poohing at all. On April 6, Bill Clinton rode the elevator to the tower’s 80th floor to serve as the ultimate window dressing for the unveiling of a project, to be managed by Jones Lang LaSalle, that will render the 78-year-old, 102-story tower green by reducing energy use 38 percent by 2013. This, in the midst of the building’s current $500 million renovation.

Thanks to that ongoing renovation—and with a little help from the unfriendly real estate market—the 2.77 million–square–foot tower has more than 600,000 square feet available, according to database CoStar.

Its new digs, wherever they may be, will replace the F.D.I.C.’s current New York Regional and Field Offices, in about 75,000 square feet at Metro Loft Management’s 20 Exchange Place.


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Old 09-24-2009, 04:46 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/ny...l?ref=nyregion

Overhead, a Lobby Is Restored to Old Glory


Bill Mensching of EverGreene Architectural Arts under an Empire State Building mural. It is a reproduction of an original that was covered in the 1960s.


By JAMES BARRON
September 22, 2009

Every day, people walk into Grand Central Terminal and look up at the vaulted ceiling over the main concourse, with its star constellations and zodiac signs. It helped make the station “a triumphant portal to New York,” in the words of one of its architects, Whitney Warren.

People who walked into the Empire State Building have done their looking up outside, craning their necks to see the top, 1,250 feet above the street. As they made their way to the observation deck, they had little reason to look up in the cathedral-like lobby.

Now there is something to look up at. The ceiling in the lobby has undergone a $12.5 million renovation that has brought back two shiny Art Deco murals that disappeared from view in the 1960s. They are to be unveiled on Wednesday.

The murals were left to deteriorate more than 35 years ago after being covered with white plastic panels and fluorescent light fixtures, which were the latest things for office buildings in those days.

Anthony E. Malkin, the president of Malkin Holdings, which owns the building, said the lobby had become “a real letdown,” in contrast with the lobbies of two other famous skyscrapers of similar age, the Chrysler Building and 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Mr. Malkin wanted the lobby to be more of a triumphant portal than a utilitarian passageway for tourists on the way to the observation deck and workers on the way to their offices.

So as part of a $550 million project to upgrade the entire building, Mr. Malkin and a team of architects and designers set out to make the lobby as impressive as it was when the building opened in 1931. Frank J. Prial Jr., an architect with Beyer Blinder Belle who worked on the lobby restoration, said the idea was “to take the most famous building of the 20th century back a few steps to prepare for the 21st.”

That made the murals a priority. Like the mural on the ceiling in Grand Central Terminal, the ones in the Empire State Building show the sky. But this sky was imagined when the building was on the drawing board in the 1920s, when assembly lines were humming and people dreamed of the ultimate symbol of the machine age: the car.

The sun and the planets on the ceiling look like gears and wheels and cogs.

“It’s like you’re looking inside a watch,” Mr. Prial said, albeit a giant watch. The murals cover more than a third of the square footage of a football field. Bill Mensching, a vice president of EverGreene Architectural Arts, which copied the originals, said they had 15,000 square feet of aluminum and 1,300 square feet of 23-karat gold leaf.

Because the original murals, designed by an artist named Leif Neandross, were damaged, reproductions were installed. Mr. Mensching said more than 50 artists, site painters and installers worked on them.

Despite the Wall Street crash in 1929, the murals’ design was unchanged for the building’s opening. The result, Mr. Malkin said, was a ceiling that “is not trying to find hope in the depths of the Depression — it was created before that. You don’t have that labor and toil and struggle feeling that you have in Rockefeller Center.”

In the 1960s, large acrylic panels showing eight wonders of the world were installed at eye level in the lobby: the seven wonders in the history books and — no surprise — the Empire State Building.

The panels were completed in 1964, in time for the World’s Fair, and remained in the lobby until last year, when the renovation team put them in storage. Mr. Prial said they would eventually be put in a ticketing area on the way to the observation deck. They were replaced by marble panels from as far away as Italy and as close as a warehouse in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. The panels’ colors and patterns are strikingly similar to that of the original marble in the lobby.

Two other changes have made the lobby more faithful to the building’s original plans. The clock over the information desk in the Fifth Avenue lobby was replaced by what was originally called for: an anemometer, which measured wind speed where dirigibles were supposed to dock.

And then there are the two chandeliers beside the pedestrian bridges. They differ from the chandeliers shown in early photographs; those were taken out in the 1960s.

The new ones, based on the original plans, were fabricated by the successor to the company Neandross worked for when he designed the murals.

Why were the chandeliers that were planned never installed? “Our theory,” Mr. Prial said, “was they were in a hurry, they had to open, and they ran out and got two chandeliers.”


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Old 09-24-2009, 04:52 AM
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http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/empire...uilding/40200/

Empire State ReBuilding Transforms World's Most Famous Office Building
$550 million capital improvements program contemporizes an international icon.
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New York - September 23, 2009 /PRNewswire

The Empire State Building, the world's most famous office building, is undergoing a more than $550 million upgrade program to reinvent the iconic landmark by restoring and recreating its Art Deco grandeur and adding state-of-the-art enhancements.

"When W&H Properties took over the management of the building in August 2006, we decided to recreate the Empire State Building as a trophy pre-war property for better credit tenants, and to elevate the brand as a worldwide standard of excellence," said Anthony Malkin, the third generation of his family to be involved with the building. "What we are doing is transformative, exceeding the expectations of New York City's office tenants, brokers, and the millions who visit our world-famous Observatory annually. The visible result of our transformation of this international icon is creating incomparable experiences for all who come to the building."

The Empire State ReBuilding includes:

•A complete restoration and recreation of the famous Art Deco lobby, long hidden by 1960s "modernization," along with special entrances and new traffic flow to separate office tenants and their visitors from tourists visiting the building's observatories.
•Renovation and air conditioning of all common-areas including corridors and restrooms.
•Renovation of the entire Observatory experience, including the 86th and 102nd floors, with Art Deco upgrades, as well as enhanced visitor queuing and retail areas on the 80th floor.
•Extending the building's "green" initiatives to provide a healthier environment for tenants, visitors and the community.
•Installation of state-of-the-art technology throughout the building.
•Upgrading the HVAC (air-conditioning/heating) building-wide.
•Ground-breaking work in integrated energy efficiency retrofits, resulting in a 38% energy savings with a three year payback.
•Waterproofing the building's stone facade.
•Reconfiguring the tower's market-dominant broadcast facility to accommodate digital broadcast technology.
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The 34th Street corridor of the Empire State Building, the world's most famous office building, was shrouded in scaffolding during the renovation of its landmarked historic lobby.


Empire State Building Unveils its newly renovated landmarked lobby and fully restored historic Art Deco Ceiling Mural.


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Will any visual changes be made to the exterior of the building i.e. new glass, cleaning the granite, etc?


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Will any visual changes be made to the exterior of the building i.e. new glass, cleaning the granite, etc?
There have already been a lot of changes priot to the "reconstrution".

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A few posts back, someone posted that there were tours of the "Empire Quarry" in Bedford, IN... I'm going to be going thru there in a few weeks and would love to tour it... I can't find too much on it online. Does anyone have any more info on it?


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