Place des Gouverneurs | 17 buildings | U/C

waterloowarrior · #1 03-01-2008, 05:05 PM

new plan for middle area

old master plan, not sure how much is in effect still

website
http://www.richcraft.com/pdg

1000 Place des Gouverneurs...

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Place Des Gouverneurs continues to flourish with the unveiling of 1000 Place Des Gouverneurs Ottawa’s first major planned condo community continues to grow with the unveiling of 1000 Place Des Gouverneurs. The new 14-storey building will feature 124 units from 513 sq.ft. to 1298 sq.ft.

All the units will have balconies and some of the units will have outdoor living spaces up to 600 sq.ft.

The 14th floor will have a full fitness facility as well as an outdoor terrace for residents to enjoy, with sitting and BBQ areas.
Place Des Gouverneurs truly reflects the new outlook of Smart Growth & New Urbanism.

m0nkyman · #2 03-01-2008, 05:50 PM

Ooof. That's not pretty.
Compare and contrast with Edmonton's Century Park.

Cre47 · #3 03-01-2008, 07:44 PM

How many buildings are completed there. I know that as of June 2007, there was at least three of the buildings completed.

c_speed3108 · #4 03-01-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cre47

How many buildings are completed there. I know that as of June 2007, there was at least three of the buildings completed.

There were 3. Two buildings were built simultaneously while the third followed at a slight time stagger. The third building appeared to have many vacant units...and still seems to have some. I am not sure if they went ahead and built it without a huge number of sales or something weird. Richcraft was hawking units on grapevine for a while.

The building in the paper this morning will be the forth. It seems to be a very different design so perhaps Richcraft is changing their plans for the development which could be good. The plans look like a smaller, nicer version of those huge multi-building social development projects in NYC from the 60's with usually over a dozen similar looking buildings surrounded by trees and weird streets that break the usual Manhattan grid....

Jamaican-Phoenix · #5 03-01-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nkyman

Ooof. That's not pretty.
Compare and contrast with Edmonton's Century Park.

Now why can't someone in Ottawa propose something like that?!

m0nkyman · #6 03-01-2008, 09:46 PM

Well, for one thing, Century Park is going to be at the end of an honest to goodness LRT line...

Of course, the Strathearn proposal which was just passed by Edmonton city council this week is even nicer... especially compared to the LeBreton redevelopment which would be it's corollary.

Sad when Edmonton is getting better projects than Ottawa.

Kitchissippi · #7 03-02-2008, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

There were 3. Two buildings were built simultaneously while the third followed at a slight time stagger. The third building appeared to have many vacant units...and still seems to have some. I am not sure if they went ahead and built it without a huge number of sales or something weird.

Those three buildings share the same foundations and underground garage, and have to be under one condominium corporation. I know someone who lives there and they could not get incorporated until the third building was completed.

Some of those units were not bad value, with Cyrville station just a few steps from the front door. I find the buildings a little close to each other and the units that face into each other lack privacy. The ones looking out on to the Queensway are great, even the first floor is quite high off the ground.

Looks like they're doing a departure from the ersatz French Provincial architecture, but still boring. Too bad that site would have been fantastic for a few signature towers that make a design statement as you drive in from Montreal. Something like the Absolute condo towers in Mississauga, perhaps?

movebyleap · #8 03-02-2008, 04:37 AM

Those buildings are soooo BORING! I have to go past them every morning and, believe me, 3 are MORE than enough! What are they thinking by trying to put 10 zillion identical strucures at various angles? VERY uninspired!

Ottawade · #9 03-02-2008, 05:09 AM

It looks kind of like some upscale housing projects. Also nothing on that master plan looks half as good as the other building in the ad with the galleria.

waterloowarrior · #10 03-02-2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottawade

It looks kind of like some upscale housing projects. Also nothing on that master plan looks half as good as the other building in the ad with the galleria.

I wonder where 1000 Place des Gouverneurs will be on the site.... maybe near Ogilvie, since those buildings on the master plan look to be at a similar height.

c_speed3108 · #11 03-02-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Those three buildings share the same foundations and underground garage, and have to be under one condominium corporation. I know someone who lives there and they could not get incorporated until the third building was completed.

Interesting....I had looked at that on the emaps app on the city web site. Originally they had some sort of weird property line touching the outer edge of the site and swing in around the first two buildings and excluding the third. It did have a condo corp #. Later it was modified to box in all three buildings instead of the L-like shape.

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Some of those units were not bad value, with Cyrville station just a few steps from the front door. I find the buildings a little close to each other and the units that face into each other lack privacy. The ones looking out on to the Queensway are great, even the first floor is quite high off the ground.

They are pretty decent units. Decent square footage for the price. That is one thing I do like about Claridge as well.

It would have been nice if they could have included some other stuff around the project...perhaps fronting on to Cyrville Road or something. Maybe some retail or whatever. There is very little around there.

Deez · #12 03-02-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nkyman

Of course, the Strathearn proposal which was just passed by Edmonton city council this week is even nicer... especially compared to the LeBreton redevelopment which would be it's corollary.

There's still hope for Lebreton depending on what developers propose for the remainder of the site. Current plans are just guidelines drawn up by the NCC.

Speaking of which...I wonder when the next phase of tendering will begin...

clynnog · #13 03-02-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

Interesting....I had looked at that on the emaps app on the city web site. Originally they had some sort of weird property line touching the outer edge of the site and swing in around the first two buildings and excluding the third. It did have a condo corp #. Later it was modified to box in all three buildings instead of the L-like shape.

Is there a link for the emaps application for the public to view?...I couldn't find it on the City web site.

c_speed3108 · #14 03-02-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by clynnog

Is there a link for the emaps application for the public to view?...I couldn't find it on the City web site.

Just click "maps" under "Popular Topics" on the front page of the City site, then click on "emap" on the side menu

http://apps104.ottawa.ca/emap/

Its cool..you can see all the old rights-of-ways, property boundaries, even what someones trash collection day is.

clynnog · #15 03-02-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

Just click "maps" under "Popular Topics" on the front page of the City site, then click on "emap" on the side menu

http://apps104.ottawa.ca/emap/

Thanks for the link..unfortunately it wasn't what I was looking for....I've used your link in the past. What I was looking for was a website where you can see the status of various development applications, public comments, agency comments etc. I believe one poster said that the City was going to be having this soon(ish) online for everybody to see.

waterloowarrior · #16 03-03-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by clynnog

Thanks for the link..unfortunately it wasn't what I was looking for....I've used your link in the past. What I was looking for was a website where you can see the status of various development applications, public comments, agency comments etc. I believe one poster said that the City was going to be having this soon(ish) online for everybody to see.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=218

Mille Sabords · #17 03-04-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by m0nkyman

Well, for one thing, Century Park is going to be at the end of an honest to goodness LRT line...

Sad when Edmonton is getting better projects than Ottawa.

Meh. I wouldn't say Century Park is all that great. It's "density" in a suburban setting, look at the site plan. LRT station or not, it's still not an urbane development. It's dense suburbia.

Mille Sabords · #18 03-04-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I find the buildings a little close to each other and the units that face into each other lack privacy. The ones looking out on to the Queensway are great, even the first floor is quite high off the ground.

Looks like they're doing a departure from the ersatz French Provincial architecture, but still boring. Too bad that site would have been fantastic for a few signature towers that make a design statement as you drive in from Montreal. Something like the Absolute condo towers in Mississauga, perhaps?

Personally, I really like the French Provincial architecture of the first three buildings. I'm sad to see that go. At least there was some building texture to look at. The new tower looks like a copy of Brigil's out in Orleans.

As for the buildings being too close together... I find them too far apart, and too far from the street. Those U-shaped courtyards they form are just an excuse to have more grass. Value for money, yes, but I wouldn't live there.

Ottawade · #19 03-04-2008, 01:54 PM

Sadly it's price, not aesthetics, that are currently driving my potential purchases and this spot is actually pretty nice. Given that you have St. Laurent and a bunch of grocery stores within walking distance and the transitway (did someone say train?) is right there its not a half bad area. I still prefer right in the heart of centertown, but I'd argue you are better off here than how the neighborhood on Lebreton Flats.

Jamaican-Phoenix · #20 03-04-2008, 04:16 PM

If price is such a big deal for so many people, why not apartments? There are tonnes of really nice apartments that can be found in all urban areas of Ottawa.

Unique and lively neighbourhoods just a few blocks away, transit is almost always nearby, big trees, real sidewalks, houses and apartments that don't all look the same, real wood-burning fireplaces, close to downtown, and many still have a fair amount of space for a decent price. What's not to love?