NFL coming back to LA?

[JDRCRASH]

Originally Posted by ladowntowner

I guess more parking can't be built near the Coliseum then? Shit - Roski's proposal requires a "mountain" to be moved:

So I imagine more parking structures (though I hate 'em) could be built for the Coliseum and any adjoining "entertainment district" if need be.

I guess luxury boxes can't be added, either then? Nor the stands be reconfigured? Doing this still has the be less of a feat than starting from scratch and moving mountains for a stadium that isn't even centrally located, and it doesn't have to harm the basic historical shell of the existing structure.

The city needs to get with the program here...

No kidding....

But this definately belongs in Downtown Los Angeles, not the City of Industry, having been there myself TONS of times. And with good reason; even if it was built, is there any chance that when they broadcast from it, they won't say "live from the ??? Stadium in THE CITY OF INDUSTRY, *blah*blah*blah", but instead: "live from the ??? Stadium in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES *blah*blah*blah"?

Not really......what will clueless people think of the City of Industry? New Jersey? Somewhere in Nebraska? WHERE??!!!

[WonderlandPark]

If this thing is entirely funded by the team and NFL, I have no issues with it. The Coliseum will not work for the NFL and potential owners. It is a dead issue. If they want to finance it and build it out in Industry or wherever, fine. I am not going to drive all the way out there, but, hey, you may find 60.000 people who will. In that 25 mi. circle are still 6-7 million people probably, more than most NFL markets. And transit for the NFL has never really been an option, most places don't have traffic issues on Sundays, most places don't want to set up heavy service on a Sunday, it is for 8 games a year plus any playoffs. It makes no sense whatsoever to attach heavy transit infrastructure to an NFL stadium. none.

[JDRCRASH]

Originally Posted by ladowntowner

We already have an existing stadium with a grand historic past. Why should we waste resources and more $$ than needed by starting completely from scratch? Realizing, of course, any reconfiguration at the Coliseum will cost major bucks too... just not nearly as much.

Also, keep in mind the much needed revitalization that would be realized around Expo Park... with more prestige and momentum for DT in it's wake. I think the city's doing right by forcing the Coliseum issue, but they really need to convince the NFL that they are wanted and welcomed here and that the city is willing to work with them.

I hate to break it to you, but Wonderlandpark is right. The National Football League Commission has repeatedly said that it WON'T return to the Coliseum....period. And i'm not sure the college is fine with having a Professional Football Team taking residence. Do you have any other relevant options?

Expensive? Most likely. Heck, by now its renovation costs must have exceeded well past $1 Billion, what with the cost of construction and all.
Look, the reality is that if we continue waiting and don't start real talk of building a new stadium soon, it will only require more funds, which will only shrink in the short-term. We need to do something NOW.

[ladowntowner]

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH

I hate to break it to you, but Wonderlandpark is right. The National Football League Commission has repeatedly said that it WON'T return to the Coliseum....period. Do you have any other relevant options?

Expensive? Most likely. Heck, by now its renovation costs must have exceeded well past $1 Billion, what with the cost of construction and all.
Look, the reality is that if we continue waiting and don't start real talk of building a new stadium soon, it will only require more funds. We need to do something NOW.

Or not.

But if they are that stubborn, they can try to relocate a franchise to a ridiculous stadium in the boonies - in a town without any name recognition - and hope that it will be a successful move - F*** 'em.

These proposals come around regularly and not one has amounted to more than a shiny website with cool renders. Might they just be a way of scaring the City/C.C. into coming up with the "right" incentive package at the Coliseum?

[ThreeHundred]

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH

No kidding....

But this definately belongs in Downtown Los Angeles, not the City of Industry, having been there myself TONS of times. And with good reason; even if it was built, is there any chance that when they broadcast from it, they won't say "live from the ??? Stadium in THE CITY OF INDUSTRY, *blah*blah*blah", but instead: "live from the ??? Stadium in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES *blah*blah*blah"?

Sure they will. There are quite a few football teams that don't play in their respective cities:

The Buffalo Bills play in Orchard Park, New York.
The New York Jets and New York Giants play in East Rutherford, New Jersey.
The Washington Redskins play in Landover, Maryland.
The Dallas Cowboys play in Irving, Texas.
The New England Patriots play in Foxboro, Massachusetts
The Arizona Cardinals play in Glendale, Arizona.

[WonderlandPark]

And L.A. has no say in using the name of Los Angeles. Case study: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

The actual city or suburb doesn't matter. really.

[StethJeff]

Originally Posted by ThreeHundred

Sure they will. There are quite a few football teams that don't play in their respective cities:

The Buffalo Bills play in Orchard Park, New York.
The New York Jets and New York Giants play in East Rutherford, New Jersey.
The Washington Redskins play in Landover, Maryland.
The Dallas Cowboys play in Irving, Texas.
The New England Patriots play in Foxboro, Massachusetts
The Arizona Cardinals play in Glendale, Arizona.

In the case of the Cardinals though, they aren't using the city of Phoenix in the team's name.

[Echo Park]

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH

It's just fine to me.

if architecture were music your favorite artist would probably be britney spears.

[StethJeff]

Originally Posted by ThreeHundred

Find space near the LA River for a football stadium.

And I don't see why LA can't do to the Coliseum what Chicago did to Soldier Field.

What's wrong with this?

The problem with the above image is that it doesn't look like this:



I'm all for renovating old buildings in DTLA into residences but the Coliseum is a little different in my mind. It's one of the most beautiful, historic, and important structures in the city - I'd rather it resemble its past than LA Living it just to put an NFL team in the city.

[ladowntowner]

Originally Posted by WonderlandPark

And L.A. has no say in using the name of Los Angeles. Case study: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

The actual city or suburb doesn't matter. really.

Which I always that was really lame (sorry LA of Anaheim).

I imagine the city could fight in a court of law against the use of it's name for a team it doesn't sanction out of spite towards the NFL. Doesn't mean it would win, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't. At least it would let the world know where it stands on the issue.

Look. The city has somehow survived, what, 14 years without the NFL? They need the city more than the city needs them, the way I see it. Sure, it would be nice to get a team, properly utilize a grand public structure and have that part of town revitalized as a side effect. That's the goal of the city, and a damn fine one. The city could benefit immensely and the franchise at the Coliseum would likely do better than one in the boonies. But if the NFL just ain't havin' it, F*** 'em - banished to the boonies they are. But I, for one, am not holding my breath for that stadium to be built.

[ThreeHundred]

My opinion is this: Both the LA Raiders and The Anaheim Rams of Los Angeles fled, and by all accounts, LA has done fine. It seems to me that the NFL needs Los Angeles more than Los Angeles needs the NFL. LA is a sports mecca and we've done well these past 14 years without a football team. We have so much to fall back on. Take the Jaguars away from Jacksonville and what do they have? I mean we had a 3-peat, the Angels and Ducks both won championships, the Clippers (!!) were good for a year, and despite that one night in Colorado, Kobe scored 81 points and is back to being loved.

Besides, I think the Trojans are our 'football' team.

[jlrobe]

Originally Posted by Easy

Someone asked what's wrong with the Coliseum? Just about everything. It doesn't have enough parking. I know that people can take the Expo line, but that won't put money in the owners pockets. It doesn't have real luxury boxes. It was also built for track and field and the stadium is too large for football. They had to move the field all the way to one end which makes the other end of the stadium unusable.

It's also still controlled by the Coliseum Commission which is a highly political group that has refused to negotiate with the NFL. They feel that they can do this because the City of Los Angeles voted not to allow the NFL to pursue a stadium anywhere in the city besides the Coliseum. This despite the fact that the NFL owners have made it clear that they will not award a new team to the Coliseum. That's why this is in Industry and not Los Angeles.

There is so much underutilized land around that area. One could easily Build a massive parking garage or two or three. The parking problem would be solved. Then sell the land and stadium to the NFL and let them deal with construction, etc. No loans, no gimmicks, no giveaways. Just give the NFL the right to demo or refurbish the area as they need.

Done deal!

[amizle]

Just to clear up some facts about the football stadium proposal gotten from ESPN. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3351752)

-It is expected to cost $800 million entirely funded by Roski and other investors (not AEG). Not a single tax-dollar.

-Supposed to save $400 million by building it on the side of the hill.

-Site was zoned and got its EIR in 2004.

-Would only get built if a team agreed to move in.

I think it's a great idea. Not having an NFL team here is a joke seeing how the NFL is the most popular league in the US and we are the second largest city in the US. As mentioned before a lot of teams don't actually play in the city they are named for but the residents of those cities still have a lot of pride in the team. Plus if this stadium was built we would be guaranteed to host 3-5 Super Bowls which would bring in more $200 million to the city's economy per superbowl.

[DJM19]

I think the fact that its way out there is a huge joke. The design is simply awful. If they weren't so intent on making it such a sprawling, confusing mess, they could probably fit it on a plot closer to the central population.

[Easy]

The City of Industry is in Los Angeles County. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with them having Los Angeles in their team name.

There is so much underutilized land around that area. One could easily Build a massive parking garage or two or three. The parking problem would be solved. Then sell the land and stadium to the NFL and let them deal with construction, etc. No loans, no gimmicks, no giveaways.

The NFL owners don't want to buy anything. They want taxpayers to build stadiums and give it to them. They also don't want to have to deal with the semi-government called the Coliseum Commission. From news reports I don't think that there are any NFL owners even slightly interested in moving into the Coliseum. We need to let it go.

Just give the NFL the right to demo or refurbish the area as they need.

Done deal!

I couldn't disagree more.

[erickg47]

Originally Posted by amizle

Just to clear up some facts about the football stadium proposal gotten from ESPN. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3351752)

-It is expected to cost $800 million entirely funded by Roski and other investors (not AEG). Not a single tax-dollar.

-Supposed to save $400 million by building it on the side of the hill.

-Site was zoned and got its EIR in 2004.

-Would only get built if a team agreed to move in.

I think it's a great idea. Not having an NFL team here is a joke seeing how the NFL is the most popular league in the US and we are the second largest city in the US. As mentioned before a lot of teams don't actually play in the city they are named for but the residents of those cities still have a lot of pride in the team. Plus if this stadium was built we would be guaranteed to host 3-5 Super Bowls which would bring in more $200 million to the city's economy per superbowl.

Well Said

[milquetoast]

First, the NFL is a c*** f*****' piece of s***! Secondly, there is no reason why anyone with any talent whatsoever can't come in and utilize the peristyle of the Memorial Coliseum in their final design, install luxury boxes around the perimeter, (there can be more boxes installed on that perimeter than anywhere else I assure you) and work up the surrounding area, which is not inadequate! Roski, thanks for the success of the Staples Center but get some more of your rich friends together and lay off this location. It's way out there beyond Covina and I want to see the downtown of my hometown from a blimp again!

football.parks.com

[DJM19]

Its BARELY in los angeles county, and none of the people who live there are angelinos...im not sure what to call them...industrialists?

Those people don't live in the city that even affords them these amenities for their disposal. If a stadium is going to use LA's name, reputation, and history, it should be located closer to that region and perhaps benefit that region in its tax revenues and jobs. Nothing against the east county, but it is what it is because of LA.

The only reason I would support the NFL coming to LA again is if it benefited los angeles directly (in exchange for using its name for the team) and if it added nice architecture to the city.

[ladowntowner]

Originally Posted by Easy

The City of Industry is in Los Angeles County. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with them having Los Angeles in their team name.

OK... they can call the team "The City of Industry Saints/Steelers/Chargers/Bumblef*cks of Los Angeles County." They shall not be allowed to use the name Los Angeles without attaching "County" to it, so that it will be made apparent that they have been shunned by the City of Los Angeles because the NFL has no respect for history and is simply greedy.

I can't help but suspect a large part of the NFL's aversion to the Coliseum is it's immediate neighborhood, even more than any stated or implied shortcomings of that site. I will tell you one thing about many of the area's residents - they are hardcore, die-hard football fans - 14 years after the Raiders bailed on the city they are still loyal to that team. Without effort you can find numerous individuals decked out in Raiders gear on any given day...

[ladowntowner]

According to wiki, a grand total of 777 people lived in Industry at the time of the 2000 census. That's one hell of a hometown fan base.