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Old Posted: Sep 25, 2008, 9:20 PM
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There are a lot of very interesting ideas here for arena locations.
I've all ways favoured a downtown location my self and sent a number of letters to my city counselor about using center block for an arena a couple years ago when they were still thinking of building a new library down there.
Currently I like the idea of building it in the old sports field in Victoria Park but there are a lot of good points for and against a downtown location so maybe I'll change my mind.
I wouldn't mind seeing the arena in Waterloo either since this has to be a regional thing not just a Kitchener thing and who knows if all goes well(IMO) we will be one big happy city by the time the arena is built.
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Old Posted: Nov 29, 2008, 12:45 AM
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I've heard that the Kitchener Rangers are looking to buy some property that would eventually be used to build a new arena on. From what I've heard they are looking at three specific sites at the time. Two are close to down town but not right in the core and the third is in the Wilson Ave area. The team would like to move into a twelve thousand seat facility and have been setting money aside so they can be involved in the ownership of the arena in some way. Obviously they will never raise the cash to build the arena on their own but I like their initiative and willingness to be involved.
I've also heard that Mr.Balsilie has been making some inquiries into the availability of some of the large vacant or soon to be vacant industrial properties around town.
I'm not sure if the Balsillie rumors are true or not but the Kitchener Ranger information I got is defantly true. Of course that doesn't mean any thing will come of it but at least we know they are continuing to pursue a new facility for the region.
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Old Posted: Nov 29, 2008, 12:52 AM
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Good to hear! Some patches of land near Ottawa and Charles look like they'll be available as soon as the buildings on them are knocked down.

Interesting that Balsillie's involved; he sure doesn't take no for an answer, does he?
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Aud's days are numbered
Kitchener Rangers clearly have outgrown their city-owned abode of 46 seasons
February 04, 2009
JEFF HICKS
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Look to Windsor for inspiration.

But peer beyond that city's powerhouse Spitfires club, the scourge of the Canadian Hockey League. Stare into the glare of their new home -- the sparkling $71-million Windsor Family Credit Union Centre, host of tonight's Ontario Hockey League all-star game.

"It's a beautiful rink from the dressing room to the bench to the ice," said Rangers captain Dan Kelly, Kitchener's lone playing rep at the all-star summit.

"It's a great building no matter what you're looking at."

Rest assured, the Rangers are looking closely at the 6,500-capacity Union Hall.

The days of the Great Old Aud are dwindling.

The Aud, built for $1.2 million in 1951, was renovated for $8 million six years ago and $1.4-million last year. It seats 6,136. With standing room, it holds 6,436. Even in this stumbling season, the Rangers average 6,219 at home with season-ticket holders capped at 4,700. Clearly, the club has outgrown its city-owned abode of 46 seasons.

The subscriber-owned Rangers -- who made $1 million last season -- are weary of wondering how many more fans they might attract, and how much more money they might make, in a roomier building.

The Spitfires had grown tired of their 84-year-old downtown barn.

Now, the Spits are invigorated in an auto town ravaged by recession.

Their new city-owned Union Hall -- where young all star Taylor Hall shines brightly and nightly -- gives Windsor a new hockey image as tenants in arguably the OHL's finest facility.

"Two things stood out for me the first time I saw the rink," said Rangers coach and general manager Steve Spott, who runs the Western Conference bench tonight.

"No. 1 -- how steep the stands are. I like that. I like the fans being right on top of you. No. 2 -- how bright it was. It's an exciting place to play in."

So the Rangers will be taking notes. Chief operating officer Steve Bienkowski, who is investigating how construction of a new Kitchener rink could be funded, was to arrive in Windsor last night for a league meeting.

It's his first visit to the new Windsor rink, which opened Dec. 11.

When the Rangers played there on Dec. 18, team president Ted Scharf shot some hand-held video from the visitors bench. It's all about R&D. Research and duplicate.

The Rangers haven't met with city to discuss any new arena plans, at least not yet.

"We will do that," Bienkowski said. "Hopefully, within the next month or two."

The Rangers have looked at a size range between 9,000 and 12,000 seats.

The bigger the building, the bigger the plot of land the city and team will require.

Bienkowski said there is a list of potential sites, but declined to name them because the sites are not owned by the city or team.

As for possible cost of a new rink, Bienkowski expects to have a report on the matter by Feb. 9.

Timeline is not determined but the 2012-13 season would be fitting.

The Rangers will be in their 50th season while the city celebrates its 100th year.

"I believe our city and fan base can support a bigger arena," Spott said.

"Not only for the Rangers, but for other events like world juniors and figure skating and whatnot. I think it's a great time to look at that as an option. You look at the concerts and obviously the spinoffs from the jobs that could be created."

Tonight, Windsor's new rink has the spotlight.

"They didn't drop any balls," Spott said.

"You only have one chance to do it, so you may as well do it the best you can. And the Spitfires did."

But will the Rangers and the city of Kitchener? Stay tuned.

jhicks@therecord.com

from: http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/481974
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I've yet to read through the rest of this thread...but here are some thoughts from the article:

So long as the city and the city's planning department is involved in this discussion, I'm not too worried. If any public funds are to be used, a commission to it's location and design should be established, and integrated land-use should be stressed.

The size seems appropriate under the sober realization that we won't have an NHL team here for a LONG LONG time... and it is fitting for the size of the region.

This should be an interesting discussion, but if they really want to be able to play on a new pad on the date they are suggesting, this conversation needs to begin sooner then later.
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Old Posted: Feb 5, 2009, 4:06 AM
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Rest assured, the Rangers are looking closely at the 6,500-capacity Union Hall.

The Aud, ... It seats 6,136. With standing room, it holds 6,436. Even in this stumbling season, the Rangers average 6,219 at home with season-ticket holders capped at 4,700. Clearly, the club has outgrown its city-owned abode of 46 seasons.

The subscriber-owned Rangers -- who made $1 million last season -- are weary of wondering how many more fans they might attract, and how much more money they might make, in a roomier building.
6436 to 6500 doesn't seem to address that last paragraph I quoted there
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Old Posted: Feb 6, 2009, 12:41 AM
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6436 to 6500 doesn't seem to address that last paragraph I quoted there
They are just looking at the WFCU which is Windsors new arena and home of the OHL's Spitfires to get some ideas as to what amenities they want and/or need to have in a new arena.
The Rangers are looking to build a 9000 - 12000 seat arena. Their president recently took some video footage of Winsors arena and I'm sure some of the other newer arenas in the OHL and they will probably use some of that footage as part of their presentation to the city when the time comes to make a pitch for public support.
IMO this is going to happen whether the city wants to be on board or not. The Rangers are getting all their ducks in a row now. Steve Beinkowski is a very smart man, he sees the size of the waiting list for Rangers tickets and the potential to grow the fan base in a larger facility. I'm sure there will be some one out there that will want to be part of the sucsess the Rangers have had from a business stand point since Beinkowski's been in charge.
With the Rangers as a main tenant coupled with other sporting events, shows, concerts, conventions, ect. this arena is bound to be sucseesful.
The city will have to decide if they want a piece of that revenue or just collect the tax dollars.
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I got news today that a big OHL announcement related to Waterloo Region is coming early next week. I'm not sure if I can say much at this point, but from what I've heard, it's good! Stay tuned.
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Old Posted: Feb 6, 2009, 5:22 AM
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I got news today that a big OHL announcement related to Waterloo Region is coming early next week. I'm not sure if I can say much at this point, but from what I've heard, it's good! Stay tuned.
Shhh, don't jinx it.
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I got news today that a big OHL announcement related to Waterloo Region is coming early next week. I'm not sure if I can say much at this point, but from what I've heard, it's good! Stay tuned.
Damn!

How about a hint?
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They are building a 19,000 seat arena to handle both the Rangers and the soon to be Kitchener Coyotes of the NHL!

(Gretzky coaching near his home town of Brantford!)



Am i close?
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I got news today that a big OHL announcement related to Waterloo Region is coming early next week. I'm not sure if I can say much at this point, but from what I've heard, it's good! Stay tuned.
Well if you're not going to spill the beans then we'll have to speculate.
(1)Since you posted in the arena thread then it should be safe to assume the news you heard regards an arena.
(2)Since you say it's a big OHL announcement we can assume any arena will be the home of the Rangers and not Jim Balsillie's NHL team.
(3)Taking into consideration #1 & 2, the new arena will be about 10500 seats.

Now you don't have to spill the beans just tell me if I'm right or not.
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Or the OHL wants a new team (as in second team) in the region, and approached large landholders in the region about the possibility of arena placement?
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I just love these guesses. Some of you guys are on the right track. It has nothing to do with Balsillie or the NHL though, so don't get your hopes up too high now.

Oh yea, there will be some kind of meeting too next week about it. Details to come.
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Remember out Google Maps list of possible locations for the new arena... I wonder if any of them were right.
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You know Duke this is how rumours get started!
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Or the OHL wants a new team (as in second team) in the region, and approached large landholders in the region about the possibility of arena placement?
I've heard this rumor too. Two things come to mind. The OHL has territorial rights just like the NHL does and a team in Waterloo would infringe on the rights of the Rangers and the Guelph Storm. I don't see either team liking this idea much. A bigger concern for me is if an other OHL team came to town and played out of an expanded Waterloo Rec Centre that would all most certainly end any idea of building a new arena as neither of the two teams in the region could fill a 10000 seat arena with competition being right next door.
If the big OHL announcement has any thing to do with this I would say it's nothing but talk. There are no OHL teams looking to relocate and there are none for sale. The league is not going to expand so I can't see how Waterloo would get a team.
We went through this during the last municipal election when a former Waterloo mayor promised to get an OHL team to relocate to the city.

I hope if there's any kind of anouncement it's about a new arena for the Kitchener Rangers. If it's about Waterloo getting a team it will amount to nothing.
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You know Duke this is how rumours get started!
Trust me. I heard right from the source.
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Trust me. I heard right from the source.
Did the source say that Waterloo is looking at getting their own OHL franchise and that it is thinking of housing this franchise in and around Uptown Waterloo, specifically right in the Rec Centre? Cause that is what Waterloo Council will be talking about this coming Monday!

It's all here: Page 68 to the end of the pdf.

http://www.waterloo.ca/Portals/57ad7...ee_Meeting.pdf
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It says relocation; who would they be relocating? One of the American OHL teams?

The speculation continues...
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