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Old Posted: May 11, 2011, 2:29 AM
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I'm still very worried about this one. The city has already issued a demolition permit and there will almost certainly be an appeal.

Hopefully we won't see another giant hole that sits abandoned for years or decades. It would be a disaster for Barrington.
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Hopefully this will be the one that will alter the pattern of demolished and vacated lots. The same developer has made good on its Espace development so I think there is reason for optimism.
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Old Posted: May 11, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Council approves highrise plans
Fans say developments will revitalize Barrington Street, opponents say buildings’ height out of scale for district
By MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE City Hall Reporter
Wed, May 11 - 7:26 AM
Public hearings on two major developments proposed for downtown Halifax attracted a sizable gathering inside the council chamber at city hall Tuesday night.

Supporters and opponents of the planned mixed-use projects, not far from each other on Barrington Street, were at the hearings to let regional council know they are concerned about the future of the central business district.

But they hold opposite views on what the neighbourhood should look like. In the end, council approved both proposed highrise developments.

Fans of the proposals said the projects would help revitalize the downtown. Detractors said the buildings would be out of scale for the district, which includes a fledgling heritage conservation area that has registered heritage structures.

Towers proposed for sites that house the Roy Building and the Discovery Centre were grandfathered under a municipal planning strategy. So both development proposals were considered through an application process that predates provisions in HRM by Design.

Each project is taller than the 21 metres allowed under the new rules for development. Halifax Regional Municipality’s heritage advisory committee gave the Discovery Centre plan its blessing, but it wasn’t fond of the Roy Building’s design.

An advisory committee report to council said plans for the Roy structure don’t comply with city hall’s policy on adjacent buildings. A staff report on the building, though, recommended the development proceed.

As in previous disputes over the planning of towers downtown, the height of the proposed projects and corresponding wind and shadow matters were issues raised during Tuesday’s hearings.

One councillor noted that not only were the arguments familiar, so were the people putting them forward.

Business operators almost always support any new projects, while heritage advocates and others usually condemn major developments downtown and often criticize council and city staff for considering them in the first place.

With respect to the Roy Building, developer Louis Resnick’s sales pitch said his $40-million project would be "spectacular in function and form." The current low-rise building will be demolished soon, he told council.

Other supporters, including Coun. Dawn Sloane (Halifax Downtown), said the proposed development would give the downtown core a much-needed shot in the arm. Opponents, however, chastised council for putting its faith in projects that proponents religiously claim is the next big thing to propel the area forward.

Council heard that the development agreement for the Roy Building project says construction must start within three years.

Project foes suggested the municipal process governing the proposal might be illegal, but city hall’s top lawyer said that was not the case.

Most councillors voted in support of Resnick’s planned Roy Building development. Council voted in favour of developer Frank Medjuck’s Discovery Centre proposal, too.

During the public hearings, there were references to what kind of legacy Halifax council will leave behind. Veteran councillor Bob Harvey (Lower Sackville), who backed both developments, told his colleagues it was "an important night" for this council and the municipality.

"There’s no point having a downtown with heritage buildings that are empty from the ground up," he said.

Coun. Jackie Barkhouse (Woodside-Eastern Passage) wasn’t buying the supporters’ view that highrise projects help make for a more vibrant downtown. She opposed both developments.

"What constitutes vibrancy?" she asked.

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Old Posted: Jun 21, 2011, 4:40 PM
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According to the article posted in the general thread, the plan is to begin construction on this immediately after the Sam redevelopment across the street is finished sometime in the fall.
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Old Posted: Jun 21, 2011, 8:51 PM
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Council approves highrise plans
Fans say developments will revitalize Barrington Street, opponents say buildings’ height out of scale for district
By MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE City Hall Reporter
Wed, May 11 - 7:26 AM
Public hearings on two major developments proposed for downtown Halifax attracted a sizable gathering inside the council chamber at city hall Tuesday night.

Supporters and opponents of the planned mixed-use projects, not far from each other on Barrington Street, were at the hearings to let regional council know they are concerned about the future of the central business district.

But they hold opposite views on what the neighbourhood should look like. In the end, council approved both proposed highrise developments.

Fans of the proposals said the projects would help revitalize the downtown. Detractors said the buildings would be out of scale for the district, which includes a fledgling heritage conservation area that has registered heritage structures.

Towers proposed for sites that house the Roy Building and the Discovery Centre were grandfathered under a municipal planning strategy. So both development proposals were considered through an application process that predates provisions in HRM by Design.

Each project is taller than the 21 metres allowed under the new rules for development. Halifax Regional Municipality’s heritage advisory committee gave the Discovery Centre plan its blessing, but it wasn’t fond of the Roy Building’s design.

An advisory committee report to council said plans for the Roy structure don’t comply with city hall’s policy on adjacent buildings. A staff report on the building, though, recommended the development proceed.

As in previous disputes over the planning of towers downtown, the height of the proposed projects and corresponding wind and shadow matters were issues raised during Tuesday’s hearings.

One councillor noted that not only were the arguments familiar, so were the people putting them forward.

Business operators almost always support any new projects, while heritage advocates and others usually condemn major developments downtown and often criticize council and city staff for considering them in the first place.

With respect to the Roy Building, developer Louis Resnick’s sales pitch said his $40-million project would be "spectacular in function and form." The current low-rise building will be demolished soon, he told council.

Other supporters, including Coun. Dawn Sloane (Halifax Downtown), said the proposed development would give the downtown core a much-needed shot in the arm. Opponents, however, chastised council for putting its faith in projects that proponents religiously claim is the next big thing to propel the area forward.

Council heard that the development agreement for the Roy Building project says construction must start within three years.

Project foes suggested the municipal process governing the proposal might be illegal, but city hall’s top lawyer said that was not the case.

Most councillors voted in support of Resnick’s planned Roy Building development. Council voted in favour of developer Frank Medjuck’s Discovery Centre proposal, too.

During the public hearings, there were references to what kind of legacy Halifax council will leave behind. Veteran councillor Bob Harvey (Lower Sackville), who backed both developments, told his colleagues it was "an important night" for this council and the municipality.

"There’s no point having a downtown with heritage buildings that are empty from the ground up," he said.

Coun. Jackie Barkhouse (Woodside-Eastern Passage) wasn’t buying the supporters’ view that highrise projects help make for a more vibrant downtown. She opposed both developments.

"What constitutes vibrancy?" she asked.

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As for what constitues vibrancy.....id have to say people help.
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Old Posted: Jun 21, 2011, 9:08 PM
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As for what constitues vibrancy.....id have to say people help.
lol yeah no kidding. Does she even realize that people live and work in highrises and that they arent just giant empty spires of concrete and glass? sheesh...
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Old Posted: Jun 21, 2011, 9:23 PM
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lol yeah no kidding. Does she even realize that people live and work in highrises and that they arent just giant empty spires of concrete and glass? sheesh...
And think of the children! (It never gets old.)
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I just couldn't resist...
The children...
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Not an update. Just a shot taken from the building:
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Old Posted: Apr 4, 2012, 8:14 PM
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My heart just sank! I thought it was a development update. I'm very restless about the Roy Building starting because it means Barrington Street gets another tower!

Thanks for the pic
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Old Posted: Apr 4, 2012, 8:22 PM
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I don't think they plan to start on the Roy Building until after Barrington Espace is complete.

Not sure what the Roy Building's approval status is. It's been flying under the radar since the council votes about grandfathering pre-HbD proposals.
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I don't think they plan to start on the Roy Building until after Barrington Espace is complete.

Not sure what the Roy Building's approval status is. It's been flying under the radar since the council votes about grandfathering pre-HbD proposals.
I think it has full approval, same with the Discovery Centre site. That made the Discovery Centre building an easy sale because it already went through the development hoops.
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Old Posted: Apr 4, 2012, 11:29 PM
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Yes, both development agreements were approved on May 10, 2011 - http://www.halifax.ca/Council/documents/c110510.pdf
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There was a story in allnovascotia.com tonight that stated that Starfish Properties has acquired the Vogue Optical building adjacent to the Roy Building at 1645 Barrington Street - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=1645+ba...aNGvqg0dK5Em_g. Starfish has made no comment on their plans for the building.

Is the Vogue Optical a registered heritage building?
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Old Posted: Feb 6, 2013, 4:24 AM
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I don't believe so, but the street is a heritage district and it would be pretty severely compromised if both the Roy and Vogue buildings were replaced. On the other hand, a Barrington Espace-style addition could be quite positive. The Discovery Centre development may actually enhance the appearance of the bottom floors (the planning document called for new copper detailing and awnings).
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The two little buildings that front Sackville are also to be knocked down for the project, and they're right behind Vogue. Hopefully Starfish aren't thinking they can just sneak one in more and no one will notice.

I'm really hoping against hope that somehow Starfish pulls something great out of this: an excellent tower with a Barrington facade that actually retains much of the Roy's materials. I think the odds of that are low, but it's not impossible.

Either way, I'd LOVE for them to finally reveal some details as to what they actually plan to do. One good element of the heritage-conservation district that will avert this uncertainty in future is that a property owner must provide a detailed plan as to what they want to do with the site before they can get a demolition permit. (I think it's crazy that that isn't required in any location--demolition on spec is what gave us and a lot of other cities a downtown full of parking lots in the first place. Oh well.)
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Sometimes I feel as though Starfish Properties is holding Barrington Street hostage. Work is progressing so slowly on Espace and the ground floor of the Roy building has been empty for... many years... I've lost track!
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Sometimes I feel as though Starfish Properties is holding Barrington Street hostage. Work is progressing so slowly on Espace and the ground floor of the Roy building has been empty for... many years... I've lost track!
Yeah. But even though I'm VERY much on record as being totally against the Roy demolition, Starfish has actually done some excellent work on the street as well—Espace, Brander Morris Building (Attica), Nova Scotia Furnishings Building, and the GM Smith building. I'd like to think Espace is progressing slowly 'cause they're taking time to do it right.

I'm torn on them—they could be a lot more transparent, and the Roy project gets my hackles up since it's such a massive loss to the street, but if any developer in town seems likely to do something great in its place (or actually refurbish heritage elements), it's them. So I'm pessimistic and optimistic all at the same time.
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