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Old Posted: Aug 13, 2008, 2:26 PM
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Where are the merry-go-rounds?

What an excellent article. This is something that has bothered me for some time too - how we seem incapable of using parks for anything else than growing grass (and weeds, since you can't use pesticides now). When will we break free of this Tyranny of Peace and Quiet?

Even though he zeroes in on Lansdowne I think what he says here applies to all major city parks, especially those downtown.

I've been to cities like Buenos Aires where parks are used for so many different things, they are a destination unto themselves. In one park, for example, every Sunday is the Stamp Collectors fair. All the stamp dealers set up little tables and all the collectors go check them out. At another park it's used book sellers every saturday. And so on. There's always some food vendor with chorizos and cold drinks.

What's wrong with us?
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A whole lot of nothing
Ottawa's passive parks could benefit from the examples of great places like Central Park, Covent Garden and the Boston Common
Kelly Egan
The Ottawa Citizen
Wednesday, August 13, 2008


Just back from Boston, tracking Fenway dust and toting a question.

Why are Ottawa's parks so useless?

Not useless in the sense of being unworthy or inaccessible or unkempt, but useless in the sense of having no real utility -- in the sense of, there's nothing to really do there.

We like our urban parks to be unduly passive, for some reason, as though a modest amount of organized activity is a design flaw. What's wrong with us?

Boston's main urban park is called the Common, said to be the oldest public park in the United States. It is 50 acres, near the heart of the city, and features many things, including a large lagoon and a man-made pond.

On the lagoon, visitors can take a ride on what is called a Swan Boat. Introduced more than 100 years ago, they are dressed-up pontoon boats with benches, powered by a youngster in the stern pedalling his heart out.

Holding a couple of dozen people, it costs $2.75 and a ride lasts about 15 minutes. It's a tranquil pause in your sightseeing day. It refreshes.

Elsewhere in the park, which also has the expected mix of bandshells, statues, fountains and public art, there is the Frog Pond, used for wading in summer and skating in winter. The park also has softball fields, a historic cemetery, a couple of subway stops, a playground.

Central Park in New York, many will know, contains a zoo, and restaurants, and 20-some playgrounds, plus landmarks too numerous to mention. As a family, our best moments in NYC touch on penguins, sea lions and monkeys; not museums or Saks Fifth Avenue. And you sink in all of this greenery under the greatest skyline in the world.

Another way to frame the question: why would anyone drive from an Ottawa suburb to visit, say, Vincent Massey Park or Major's Hill, or Confederation Park, on a lazy afternoon?

Let's be honest. There isn't much to do there, which is in perfect accord with their design. This is how it was planned. For doing nothing in particular.

What's wrong with us?

We don't travel that broadly but, in London last year, we found ourselves in Covent Garden. Round a corner and, lo and behold, there is a brilliantly-coloured merry-go-round tucked behind all the shops and stalls. For the young lad, a great, restful pause in a hectic day; and coffee time for the chaperones.

There was Hyde Park, of course, where you can swim, ride a horse or have a pint, possibly all at once.

While in Paris, we wandered about the Jardin Des Tuileries leading to the Louvre, about as formal an urban park as you'll find anywhere.

There were toy wooden sailboats to rent, each equipped with a stick for launching and guiding. Children love it.

Off to the side, there was a trampoline area where kids could burn off some energy. Perfect.

We will never have a Hyde or Central Park in Ottawa. Fine. We can live with that. But what can we learn?

Mostly, these are not giant things. Having boats to paddle around in a pond is not a multi-year capital project for which you mortgage the grandchildren. A little bouncy section of a park is not The Big Dig.

But why can't we have a permanent, old-fashioned ferris wheel or merry-go-round in one of our central parks? Why not something different, like London did with its millennium project, the Eye?

In Ottawa, too, we are running out of space and opportunities.

Lansdowne Park may represent the last great hope for an urban park that engages the visitor, that makes a statement bolder than leafy lanes and weird sculpture.

Interesting how we got here.

Classic urban park design was driven by a couple of important ideas, tied to their times.

In an industrial age, cities like London, New York or Boston were noisy, dirty and polluted. The working class did not have yards, backyard pools or shrimp on the barbie.

City parks were designed as a leafy oasis in which the worn masses could escape.

Think of Ottawa in 2008. It is neither industrial, nor particularly noisy, or polluted by Victorian standards, and a good chunk of the citizenry have yards of their own or green space down the street. Ottawa, and it is rather shocking, has more than 850 city parks. Can you name five you would take a newcomer to?

The good news is a door is opening.

Lansdowne, give or take, is a blank slate. CFL football may, indeed, be an anchor there, along with an arena.

As for the rest, I would rather see penguins on Bank Street than more condos, more merry-go-rounds than malls and some great, people-twirler in the sky, not towns starting in the $300Ks -- things, to those permanent or transitory, with charming utility.
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This really is an excellent article and I can't say I ever use our parks.

I may not be the most popular forumer for saying this, but I think soccer or football and Landsdown is a bad idea. It hasn't worked before I think it is a waste of a great plot of land to continue flunking sports franchises.

I was in NYC last week and Central Park really is a wonder. It's amazing, but part of what would be required to make something like that work here is that its accessible to downtown citizens. The Canal provides both a gorgeous view and an interesting commute to the area so Landsdown is a perfect place for us to get a decent park.
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How come I have yet to hear anyone in the media say something like this: "You know what? Why don't we move the Experimental Farm out into the burbs where there are tonnes of farms and space, and turn a bunch of what's there already into a great urban living environment, and convert most of the farms adjacent to the Arboreteum into a giant urban park?"
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This really is an excellent article and I can't say I ever use our parks.

I may not be the most popular forumer for saying this, but I think soccer or football and Landsdown is a bad idea. It hasn't worked before I think it is a waste of a great plot of land to continue flunking sports franchises.
Anyone who makes this statement clearly does not understand why it did not work before and why can work when done right. The 67's were destined not work before too...but are now the envy of the league. A little management goes along way.

None of the teams ever failed due to anything to do with this city.

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I was in NYC last week and Central Park really is a wonder. It's amazing, but part of what would be required to make something like that work here is that its accessible to downtown citizens. The Canal provides both a gorgeous view and an interesting commute to the area so Landsdown is a perfect place for us to get a decent park.
I am not sure if Lansdowne is the place to put it or not, but this city badly needs a kick-ass park. I wouldn't even mind see a chuck of Greenbelt developed into such a thing.

The general problem we have in this city is we tend to do things in quantity rather than quality. For instance there are over 30 library branches. Would it not be far better, as well as cheaper to have about 15 larger really good libraries rather than a slew of small crappy ones. The parks are the same way.
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What an excellent article. This is something that has bothered me for some time too - how we seem incapable of using parks for anything else than growing grass (and weeds, since you can't use pesticides now). When will we break free of this Tyranny of Peace and Quiet?

Even though he zeroes in on Lansdowne I think what he says here applies to all major city parks, especially those downtown.

I've been to cities like Buenos Aires where parks are used for so many different things, they are a destination unto themselves. In one park, for example, every Sunday is the Stamp Collectors fair. All the stamp dealers set up little tables and all the collectors go check them out. At another park it's used book sellers every saturday. And so on. There's always some food vendor with chorizos and cold drinks.

There is a great park in Paris, le jardins de Luxembourg (sp?), which has open areas, a great little lake for children to race toy boats on, areas to sit, an area devoted to bee keeping, ice cream stands, petanque courts, a dreary looking area for donkey rides, etc.

Hyde Park and Regent Park in London are also very nice....
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Even though he zeroes in on Lansdowne I think what he says here applies to all major city parks, especially those downtown.

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What's wrong with us?
I guess that depends on who 'us' is... you mention "major city parks, especially those downtown" above, yet how many parks downtown are actually owned by the City of Ottawa? 'Us' in the guise of the NCC might be able to do some good, but 'us' in the guise of the City of Ottawa is rather limited in what it can do with respect to the major parks, other than Lansdowne.

The City of Ottawa doesn't seem to get a lot of things right, but on the parks issue they're doing better than in many other things. The Parkdale Market is next to a local park and the beaches - which are the only bit of life along most of the rivers - are owned or operated/managed by the City. Westboro Beach's concession, in a truly remarkable occurrence, is even run by a local businessman and Trailhead regularly runs canoe/kayak classes out of Westboro. A lot of the smaller parks are attached to community centres and have playing fields and whatnot. There's room for improvement, as always, but to really get at turning the major parks into the sort of destinations they are elsewhere is unfortunately going to require that the NCC do something.
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Keep in mind that a lot of parks were probably designed primarily as something nice to drive by. You didn't need much more utility than that back in the heyday of the NCC.
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How come I have yet to hear anyone in the media say something like this: "You know what? Why don't we move the Experimental Farm out into the burbs where there are tonnes of farms and space, and turn a bunch of what's there already into a great urban living environment, and convert most of the farms adjacent to the Arboreteum into a giant urban park?"
Ahh, but one of things about the Experimental Farm is that since it is surrounded by urban (ok, mainly suburban) landuses, it is isolated from regular farmland, meaning that its activities neither affect nor are affected by any neighbouring farms.

So while there may be some opportunities at the northeastern end of the Farm for an urban park (basically along Prince of Wales and that curious field next to Carling and the O-Train), which would be a welcome addition, as a plan for the whole site I don't think it's a good one. We also have to recognize that the Farm itself carries on public activities of its own. Those farm buildings often seem to be a hive of activity - far more than the average NCC park. The farm also has a distinctly Dutch/French feel to it in places, with narrow tree-lined lanes rather than the windswept feel most North American farms have. If for no other reason than that, the farm should stay as an example of what farmland could look like.
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