Ottawa Rapid Transit Network developments - Page 214

lrt's friend · #**4261** Posted: **Dec 15, 2011, 4:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by OttawaSteve

In other news, I am going to drink 66,000 litres of water!

It sounds impressive until you consider how large a timeframe it will be spread over. Since it's apparently included in the 2012 budget, I'm guessing it's 66,000 hours over one fiscal year (and not 66,000 hours over the timeframe of, say, 4 to 5 pm on Monday, January 9th). This works out to about...

- 10 additional buses each operating 18 hours a day, every day for a year

OR

- 44 additional buses each operating 6 hours a day for 250 days (i.e. weekday peak periods only)

Nobody is supposed to look at the real meaning of it, just be impressed by the 66,000 figure. Its all about the sales pitch. For most of us, we will be waiting just as long and the buses will be just as crowded.

Cre47 · #**4262** Posted: **Jan 9, 2012, 5:56 PM**

And quite frankly, besides the partial restoration along the Hospital Ring Road, the only route I see really some improvements is route 96 but with scattered additionnal trips throughout midday, which no doubt will be removed in April as they usually drop out frequency after college and university ends and vacations starting as well. Otherwise it is those little patchworks on routes 16, slight extension or an additionnal trip here and there. You won't notice much difference except maybe the 96.

S-Man · #**4263** Posted: **Jan 9, 2012, 6:13 PM**

Had the misfortune of having to wait over an hour for the 97 bus to get out of Bells Corners on Saturday afternoon. With a killer handover, no less. I could have walked to Bayshore in that time. Luckily, once I got to Lincoln Fields, things moved much quicker.

S-Man · #**4264** Posted: **Jan 9, 2012, 6:15 PM**

I could be wrong - it might have been the 96 bus, can't remember which. The one that serves Bells Corners.

eternallyme · #**4265** Posted: **Jan 9, 2012, 11:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by S-Man

I could be wrong - it might have been the 96 bus, can't remember which. The one that serves Bells Corners.

That would be the 97.

That section of the route runs only every hour on the weekend (IMO too little, should at least be every 30 minutes - every second trip should serve Bells Corners).

eternallyme · #**4266** Posted: **Jan 9, 2012, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cre47

And quite frankly, besides the partial restoration along the Hospital Ring Road, the only route I see really some improvements is route 96 but with scattered additionnal trips throughout midday, which no doubt will be removed in April as they usually drop out frequency after college and university ends and vacations starting as well. Otherwise it is those little patchworks on routes 16, slight extension or an additionnal trip here and there. You won't notice much difference except maybe the 96.

IMO, the 93 should have been extended downtown during those time periods instead to parallel each other (while maintaining a consistent 15 minute frequency on the 96 - higher during peak periods). That would require a slight decrease in 96 frequency at some times of the day, but still at least every 15 minutes. The cost difference would be minimal while many areas gain direct-to-downtown service in off-peak periods - the frequency for the 93 would remain every 30 minutes.

Off-peak 93 trips (including the trips that reach LeBreton between 6:30 and 9:00 pm) should be extended to Hurdman. Such would be for trips on weekdays during midday, a bit later in the evening (until at least 10:00 pm), on Saturdays from 8:00 am to 7:30 pm and Sundays from 11:00 am to 6:30 pm. Peak period trips in the off-peak direction should continue to end at LeBreton due to capacity constraints.

During lower-frequency periods, such as late evenings and on Sunday mornings, as well as during peak periods in the peak direction (except for school trips), the 93 should end at Eagleson (not Bayshore) to allow for a better transfer to the 96 in both directions.

waterloowarrior · #**4267** Posted: **Jan 12, 2012, 12:50 AM**

Campus LRT station concept... sleek!
http://blogs.canoe.ca/cityhall/trans...ation-concept/

MountainView · #**4268** Posted: **Jan 12, 2012, 3:06 AM**

And so it should be sleek! The flow of buildings along that corridor will look nice, seeing how that station design looks somewhat similar to the convention centre. Also, will look nice beside the World Heritage Site - Rideau Canal.

waterloowarrior · #**4269** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 5:14 PM**

O-Train extension feasibility study - $76 million
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...on%20Study.htm

Jamaican-Phoenix · #**4270** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 5:18 PM**

They should put a station in at Gladstone.

KHOOLE · #**4271** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

O-Train extension feasibility study - $76 million
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...on%20Study.htm

This is using CPR's old railroad bed between the airport and wetlands.
Could there not be a spur toward the airport terminal which would greatly increase ridership and make the O-Train financially viable? There is a limit to the Airport Parkway capacity as well as parking at the terminal. Could the CE Centre not be considered for rapid transit, especially since it is vary far from the Convention Centre. Since the O-Train could and should be extended to Gatineau and the planned Blair Rd to Tunney's Pasture LRT accessed by most downtown hotels will be connecting with the O-Train at the Bayview Yards, I think priority should be given to accessibility to the Airport Terminal.

MalcolmTucker · #**4272** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 7:13 PM**

I would guess that building to the airport if you wanted to get anywhere close to the terminal would raise the cost substaintially without increasing ridership by a proportionate amount.

The predicted ridership on the extension is already anemic for the cost.

S-Man · #**4273** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 7:50 PM**

It's kind of silly that if built it will run a kilometer or less from the airport but there won't be some sort of connection...However, I agree the cost would rise - what about a shuttle bus route or something easy like that?

S-Man · #**4274** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 7:51 PM**

There should be a Walkley station as well.

Ottawan · #**4275** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 9:08 PM**

There should be a Gladstone station built IMMEDIATELY. A Walkley station should also be considered for when the service frequency is increased (by 2014).

When it is extended further south, it should have an airport spur even if such a spur does not seem economical on projected ridership grounds. The entire O-Train was not predicted to have nearly the ridership that it has attracted organically.

Furthermore, some things create intangible benefits which make them worth doing when viewed through a wider lens. An airport spur is such a thing. It makes transit in our city more marketable for outsiders, and provides a convenience to airport users that frankly is expected of a city of Ottawa's size and stature.

waterloowarrior · #**4276** Posted: **Feb 25, 2012, 9:18 PM**

the report references some of those issues but leaves them for future decisions.... the staff recommendation is for the commission to receive the report and have it feed into the TMP update (part of this update would look at things like additional stations). The actual decision on the extension won't be made for another 2-3 years. Right now there is no funding allocated for this project.

another interesting tidbit from the report

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At its meeting of June 22, 2011, Council approved work to increase the frequency of O-Train service from 15 minutes to eight minutes. This project will cost approximately $59 million and will be complete in 2014.

Work on this project has begun. Six new Coradia Lint train-sets have been ordered from Alstom. Manufacturing will begin soon and the trains will be ready for service in 2014. In 2012, design is set to begin for the construction of two new passing sidings on the line, near Gladstone Avenue and near Brookfield Road. The project also includes improvements to the five existing stations along the line, with construction scheduled for the summer of 2013.

S-Man · #**4277** Posted: **Feb 26, 2012, 3:44 AM**

I somehow doubt there will ever be prov/fed funding for this extenson, or any other rapid transit project in Ottawa any time soon.

Bob Chiarelli's election "gift" to the city was the widening of two highways for suburban commuters, thus ensuring 1970s planning stays alive and well in Ottawa, while any inner-city transit project will end up being debated to death, unsubsidized, and unpopular to taxpayers who drive.

Nice that Toronto gets provincial cash for subways, LRT and GO Trains, while we get more roads and taxed gasoline that buys us no transit options.

eternallyme · #**4278** Posted: **Feb 26, 2012, 4:20 AM**

IMO, the line should NOT be extended - ridership potential is too low. Maybe during peak periods to Leitrim, but that is it.

On the other hand, an extension the other way - to Gatineau - would be much more valuable and important.

Uhuniau · #**4279** Posted: **Feb 26, 2012, 4:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jamaican-Phoenix

They should put a station in at Gladstone.

And Walkley. And Hull.

Uhuniau · #**4280** Posted: **Feb 26, 2012, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by S-Man

Nice that Toronto gets provincial cash for subways, LRT and GO Trains, while we get more roads and taxed gasoline that buys us no transit options.

Toronto has the benefit of actually being in Ontario.