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Old Posted: Apr 23, 2009, 4:09 PM
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I wonder if the "seize the day" / "seize the future" line was used back when the Palladium was being planned for Kanata? If so, how's that working out? Right... it's still half-surrounded by cornfields and elsewhere by car dealerships.

Frankly, I'd sooner have Council hand over $100M to the Italian & Portuguese business communities to build a stadium at Bayview/LeBreton. If there's anyone around here who ought to be able to make a successful go of it for the fans it'll be them. Sure, they'll source out the work to their construction friends, but we'll still end up with something to be proud of far into the future.
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Frankly, I'd sooner have Council hand over $100M to the Italian & Portuguese business communities to build a stadium at Bayview/LeBreton. Sure, they'll source out the work to their construction friends, but we'll still end up with something to be proud of far into the future.
Hey what about sending some of the money towards those from the UK...the home of the game (yeah, yeah, I know they haven't won the WC since 1966) but it is the place where the worlds best players currently play.....it is St. George's day and all today.
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Hey what about sending some of the money towards those from the UK...the home of the game (yeah, yeah, I know they haven't won the WC since 1966) but it is the place where the worlds best players currently play.....it is St. George's day and all today.
Dang, so it is! I keep forgetting that - despite being born in the UK myself! (I actually share my full name with a goalkeeper in the Premier League).

My brother played with Juventus and St. Anthony's growing up and I was quite impressed with the level of community organization with respect to soccer in the Italian community (which seemed to flow into the Portuguese community as well). There are individual Brits associated with all this who would surely be involved as well but the British ex-pats as a whole don't have the overall cohesion of the Italians. For example, I'm sure some Brits would open up a British pub in the shadow of a stadium but I'm less sure you'd find Brits doing the work to get and build the stadium itself.
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Melnyk's MLS dream fading quickly
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/...270/story.html
Soccer league seems poised to make Montreal its 19th club

BY RICHARD STARNES, THE OTTAWA CITIZENAUGUST 5, 2009 6:59 AMBE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk's bid to bring a Major League Soccer franchise to Ottawa took another hit with news that the Montreal Impact appear destined to become the league's 19th team -- probably in 2012.

MLS commissioner Don Garber made things clear during an interview with Forbes last week. "We're pretty focused on that 19th team. We've been in discussions with Montreal," he said.

"We've got great success in Canada. Toronto FC is in a new stadium in downtown Toronto, every game is sold out, 15,000 people on a waiting list for season tickets.

"Montreal will probably be a market that looks like that and, joining Vancouver, which comes in in 2011, we'll have three teams in Canada, so that's a market that has been in deep discussions with us."

The Impact had been strong contenders for a franchise last winter, but in the spring, owner Joey Saputo, in conjunction with Montreal Canadiens owner George Gillett Jr., decided he was unwilling to pay the $40-million U.S. asking price.

That immediately put the Impact out of the running.

Meanwhile, Melnyk's powerful bid from Ottawa, which had come out of the blue last September and caught the imagination of the 60,000 or so registered soccer players in the Ottawa-Gatineau region, was racing up the list of possible franchise winners.

However, his stadium plans hit a snag. Melnyk was looking for city land on which to put a stadium, while the Lansdowne Live football group wanted to come to a Lansdowne Park development deal with the city that would include renovation of Frank Clair Stadium for a Canadian Football League franchise.

The city opted to try for a deal with Lansdowne Live, initially with a 60-day timeline, which has since extended. While that process continues, Melnyk has decided to stay silent on his plans. But the latest news does not bode well.

Tuesday, Senators CEO Cyril Leeder declined to comment until an official statement is made.

Saputo has not commented on why he has changed his mind over paying the franchise fee -- reduced to $35 million for Vancouver and Portland, the two clubs that won franchises for 2011.

The Impact's stadium currently seats 13,000, which would need to be increased to 21,000 to meet MLS requirements. The Quebec government has been asked to put up $25 million to help fund the expansion.

However, there is no doubt Saputo and Gillett have the money. Saputo runs the 15th-largest dairy production company in the world and Gillett is in the process of selling the Canadiens to the Molson family for a reported $500 million or more.

To make matters even more bleak for Melnyk, Garber also told Forbes the league would probably limit expansion to 20 teams in the foreseeable future and hinted that the 20th team would be located in the U.S.

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Montreal makes a lot more sense for MLS. Ottawa should gun for a USL team and have it play at Lansdowne. I'm against the Melnyk bid now because it is tied to a Kanata stadium. Sorry, that's just not acceptable. Lansdowne or nothing.
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Columbus and Kansas City both have MLS teams and neither are that much larger than Ottawa. Salt Lake City is the same size as Ottawa. Regardless, I'd rather that football returns to the nation's capital before soccer. Canada only has one professional sports league, and that's in football. I'd rather see that league built back up to its former prominence first.
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Columbus and Kansas City both have MLS teams and neither are that much larger than Ottawa. Salt Lake City is the same size as Ottawa. Regardless, I'd rather that football returns to the nation's capital before soccer. Canada only has one professional sports league, and that's in football. I'd rather see that league built back up to its former prominence first.
I'm not saying that Ottawa isn't big enough. It is. I would love to see a pro soccer team here. But for the same reason you mention, I'd rather start with returning to the CFL and "grooming" the city for pro soccer with a USL team, and have both play at Lansdowne. Since the MLS is too linked with Melnyk and Kanata for now, then I'd rather have some other owner get us a USL team and have it play at Lansdowne. When the opportunity comes up after a few seasons, we can jump up a level to MLS. (besides, I think eventually the USL and MLS will merge, and where things stand, a USL franchise costs a lot less to buy so it carries less risk and ensures that an owner can comfortably run the team to stability for a few years).
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I've also wondered whether USL membership would be an easier route for most Canadian cities into MLS. There's a tendency to overlook cities like Winnipeg, Quebec City, or Hamilton due to population pre occupation with larger untapped markets in the US. USL might be a way of proving that these cities are viable MLS markets. Montreal and Vancouver have certainly used their success in USL to gain the attention of those running MLS.

Kanata is a non starter for me as well. Melnyk hasn't gained any points trumpeting that location and insulting Canadian born sports like football. There's a place for soccer, but not by making disparaging remarks about our own culture.

Ottawa in the CFL has to come first.
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To continue our Kanata stadium discussion..............

MLS commish is a man with a Canadian expansion plan
Garber would like to bring up to three more teams to Canada
By STEVEN SANDOR, QMI AGENCY
Last Updated: March 30, 2010 10:00pm
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/soc.../13416456.html

Don Garber doesn’t hold a Canadian passport, but Major League Soccer’s commissioner is one of the biggest boosters this country has in the world of sport.

Two other major leagues see Canada as nothing more than a place to park a Toronto franchise. Once the NBA left Vancouver, the Raptors became a regional interest, despite its best efforts to call itself Canada’s Team.

And you will find a heck of a lot of Minnesota Twins fans in Manitoba and Seattle Mariners fans in B.C. The Blue Jays are Canada’s team by default, but baseball has no real coast-to-coast penetration.

The NHL has six Canadian teams, but wrestles with the ghosts of Quebec City and Winnipeg. And even though the battle over the Phoenix Coyotes was about Jim Balsillie, not the country, the resulting PR spin wasn’t good in Canada.

Meanwhile, MLS announced Tuesday that Toronto will be getting MLS Cup in 2010. It has already awarded this city an all-star game. Vancouver joins the league in 2011. Garber was in Montreal on Monday to talk with Montreal Impact owner Joey Saputo about what’s needed to bring the team to MLS in 2012.

And he isn’t done. At Tuesday’s MLS Cup news conference at the Air Canada Centre, he said the league might not stop at three Canadian teams.

Garber said all the focus is on Montreal, “to do what we can to get that deal done.”

But, over and over, he hinted that MLS sees itself as going into more than three Canadian cities.

“I think there are opportunities for other markets,” Garber said.

Ottawa Senators’ owner Eugene Melnyk saw his bid for an MLS expansion franchise go off the rails when the city wouldn’t back his bid to put a soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere known as Kanata.

But, taking Garber at his word, there’s still a chance for Ottawa to get a bid in there.

The sell-out success of the Seattle Sounders at Qwest Field has softened the MLS’ stance of “soccer-specific stadium, or else.”

The league likes soccer-specific stadiums, but with Seattle’s (multipurpose stadium downtown) succeeding and FC Dallas — which has a soccer-specific stadium so far outside the city, it’s somewhere close to Oklahoma, — drawing just over 8,000 for the home opener, there’s growing feeling that soccer must happen in cities, not in suburbs. Even Red Bull Arena, which has a direct train from Manhattan to the stadium, fits into that thinking even though it’s in New Jersey.

As well, with a new United States Soccer Federation-2 team coming to Edmonton in 2011, that city has a chance to finally prove it could join the big leagues.

Why would the league go to these places before a hotbed like St. Louis?

MLS has always put the market conditions ahead of the demographics. Columbus got a team right off the bat; Philadelphia had to wait until 2010.

Remember, like any league which is dominated by American teams, American TV networks and American sponsors, the MLS is under pressure not to come to Canada. It’s OK to have a team here, but too much Canada isn’t a good thing.

Can’t sell it to American viewers.

But MLS has always marched to its own beat. And, while Gary Bettman does his best to play down or squelch any rumours of teams coming to Canada, Garber fans the flames. He knows that soccer is destined to become the

No. 2 sport to hockey.

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It's MLS or nothing for me in this town. Nothing else is acceptable.

Now make it happen.
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I found it very interesting and telling that the article mentioned that the League has softened its "soccer-specific or else" stance, and wants the locations to be urban. Perhaps we WILL see MLS at Lansdowne?
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I found it very interesting and telling that the article mentioned that the League has softened its "soccer-specific or else" stance, and wants the locations to be urban. Perhaps we WILL see MLS at Lansdowne?
I recall both Jeff Hunt and Cyril Leader saying back during the stadium location debate (Lansdowne vs Scotiabank place) that soccer-specific was much more open than people think and that it certainly did not mean soccer-only. Really what MLS seemed to want was that they did not have to play second fiddle in a stadium. Thus they did not want things like other teams logos on the field or game lines from other sports.

I remember Cyril saying that technologies now exist to solve the game lines problem.

I know OSEG has made the new location of the south side stand permit the proper width of soccer field unlike before when things were a bit narrow...
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I recall both Jeff Hunt and Cyril Leader saying back during the stadium location debate (Lansdowne vs Scotiabank place) that soccer-specific was much more open than people think and that it certainly did not mean soccer-only. Really what MLS seemed to want was that they did not have to play second fiddle in a stadium. Thus they did not want things like other teams logos on the field or game lines from other sports.

I remember Cyril saying that technologies now exist to solve the game lines problem.

I know OSEG has made the new location of the south side stand permit the proper width of soccer field unlike before when things were a bit narrow...
I hope Jeff Hunt et al see this as a worthwhile opportunity to give another boost to their proposal.
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