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Old Posted Sep 25, 2008, 5:45 PM
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Yep, Setzer is still an active lumber mill--Sac Southern still delivers boxcars of MDF to them on a regular basis via the tunnel under I-5. And yeah, Signature has a lot of other projects in the pipeline, and is having a rough time. I'm saddened to see that the Washington Park buildings aren't selling as hoped: they are among my favorites of the new crop of buildings, placed as they are on a disused parking lot (and a former railyard site) with some good design.
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I remember attending a lot of city council meetings when thie this competition was underway. The two proposals top and bottom left, were the two finalists, while the other two (right top and bottom) were eliminated first.

Rockefeller/McCuen when head to head with LankfordCook.


The Rockefeller/McCuen proposal would have been a phased project with the office tower going up first; the hotel and second office tower going up when the market conditions demanded.


The Lankford/Cook two tower proposal would have been built simultaneously and would have been the regional headquarters of First Interstate Bank. The project was also projected to begin construction quickly after city approval; or that was the developers predicition).


I recall one of the council members commenting that it would be exciting watching the towers race into the sky. I also seem to recall one of our current council members making the same comment about 301 CM.



Personally the Lankford/Cook proposal was my favorite.


The city of course chose the McCuen/Rockefeller and we now have Taylor's less than inspiring project on that site.
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Better add 301CM, Capital Grand, etc to the list Metropolitan?
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What about proposed freeways and roads like the freeway connecting 50 to 80 along Sunrise Blvd. This was planned before there was almost nothing east of Sunrise and there were more people living in Folsom Prison than in Folsom town, and when Sunrise Mall was the latest and greatest state of the art mall.
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What about proposed freeways and roads like the freeway connecting 50 to 80 along Sunrise Blvd. This was planned before there was almost nothing east of Sunrise and there were more people living in Folsom Prison than in Folsom town, and when Sunrise Mall was the latest and greatest state of the art mall.
Oh yeah, can't forget those cross town freeway plans. One ring around town
would have been nice so traffic would not have go through downtown to go cross town.



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SR 16, Jackson Freeway
SR 65, Eastside Freeway
I 80, New Alignment
SR 102, Greenback Corridor
SR 102, Western Corridor
SR 143, Carmichael to Elk Grove
SR 148, South crosstown connector
SR 244, Carmichael to Rancho Cordova
SR 256, West Roseville Freeway

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Do you remember when part of I-80 through north sac was called I-880, then the bay area took that number. Changing north sac's 880 to 80 was a good call, but they should have renumbered the capital city frwy to completely different number instead of calling it Bus 80. Minor detail, I know.
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What the fuck happened to all those freeways? The state just said fuck it?
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This one is alive, and gaining momentum...

The Capital SouthEast Connector (Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, Folsom)

see the map of possible alignments starting on page 8 of this PDF.
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What the fuck happened to all those freeways? The state just said fuck it?
DUKE VETOES HIGHWAY SALES TAX MEASURE
Published on August 29, 1987 - Sacramento Bee
Gov. Deukmejian vetoed legislation Friday that would have allowed Sacramento County voters to add up to a penny to the state sales tax to pay for new highways and mass transit. The veto caught the bill's author, Assemblyman Lloyd Connelly, D- Sacramento, and others by surprise since Deukmejian had routinely signed similar bills for other counties in the past.
""Beyond my comprehension,'' said Sacramento County Executive Brian...

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that's okay... Gov. Duke of Majin will right this ship
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So sac has been getting the shaft as long back as 87?
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This one is alive, and gaining momentum...

The Capital SouthEast Connector (Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, Folsom)

see the map of possible alignments starting on page 8 of this PDF.
Skimmed over it but didn't read it closely, this looks like the grant line alignment, is plan for a freeway or just an expressway? Has there been any update since 2005?
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What the fuck happened to all those freeways? The state just said fuck it?
Yep, and we are going to get F***cked on High Speed Rail too!....largely because of Bay Area elitists.
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I remember attending a lot of city council meetings when thie this competition was underway. The two proposals top and bottom left, were the two finalists, while the other two (right top and bottom) were eliminated first.

Rockefeller/McCuen when head to head with LankfordCook.

The Rockefeller/McCuen proposal would have been a phased project with the office tower going up first; the hotel and second office tower going up when the market conditions demanded.

The Lankford/Cook two tower proposal would have been built simultaneously and would have been the regional headquarters of First Interstate Bank. The project was also projected to begin construction quickly after city approval; or that was the developers predicition).

I recall one of the council members commenting that it would be exciting watching the towers race into the sky. I also seem to recall one of our current council members making the same comment about 301 CM.

Personally the Lankford/Cook proposal was my favorite.

The city of course chose the McCuen/Rockefeller and we now have Taylor's less than inspiring project on that site.
As you probably know urban, Mayor Joe Serna's in 1993 offered to take $1 for
for Lot A that four years before was bought by the city for $14 million from
David Rockefeller.

EVEN $1 DEAL MAY NOT PUT SHOWPLACE ON LOT A
SERNA OFFER PRAISED, BUT FACES BIG HURDLES

Published on May 26, 1993 Sacramento Bee

Declining real estate values are one thing, but Mayor Joe Serna's offer to take $1 for choice downtown property that four years ago fetched $14 million from David Rockefeller must be a record. Once the city's fondest hope for a landmark skyscraper from one of the world's great architects, the 7th and Capitol parcel known as "Lot A" has soaked up exhaust fumes and parking fees as a city garage since a rotten economy buried the...

May 26, 1993 - Serna's right about the times. Sacramento could have had most of what it wanted back in 1989, with millions in cash for its troubles, but the City Council rejected a proposal from the Lankford & Taylor development firm. It was one of a half dozen proposals to buy the land at market ...

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As you probably know urban, Mayor Joe Serna's in 1993 offered to take $1 for
for Lot A that four years before was bought by the city for $14 million from
David Rockefeller.

EVEN $1 DEAL MAY NOT PUT SHOWPLACE ON LOT A
SERNA OFFER PRAISED, BUT FACES BIG HURDLES

Published on May 26, 1993 Sacramento Bee

Declining real estate values are one thing, but Mayor Joe Serna's offer to take $1 for choice downtown property that four years ago fetched $14 million from David Rockefeller must be a record. Once the city's fondest hope for a landmark skyscraper from one of the world's great architects, the 7th and Capitol parcel known as "Lot A" has soaked up exhaust fumes and parking fees as a city garage since a rotten economy buried the...

May 26, 1993 - Serna's right about the times. Sacramento could have had most of what it wanted back in 1989, with millions in cash for its troubles, but the City Council rejected a proposal from the Lankford & Taylor development firm. It was one of a half dozen proposals to buy the land at market ...

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...ckval=GooglePM


The city's choice of the Rockefeller/McCuen proposal was also motivated at the time, by the city's desire (or drive) to push Mansard roofs around the downtown area. I like Mansard roofs, but every building constructed downtown didn't (or doesn't) need to be Mansard.

The irony of the final two proposals is that they would have looked good from any direction, unlike many of the projects that get approved today.
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Do you remember when part of I-80 through north sac was called I-880, then the bay area took that number. Changing north sac's 880 to 80 was a good call, but they should have renumbered the capital city frwy to completely different number instead of calling it Bus 80. Minor detail, I know.
there is part of it thats called I-305 but it is unsigned. I say give it signs!!
They are planning to upgrade 99 to I-7 or I-9, we could finally get some auxiliary names.
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i wish to see sacramento break the 30 story mark before i get out of here. that would be nice.
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i wish to see sacramento break the 30 story mark before i get out of here. that would be nice.
I would say we're about 10 years away from that happening (at least).


There's is nothing on the horizon and there is just no market for office buildings much over 25 to 28 stories here. The state could, (but they wont, because they need large floor plates). David Taylor isn't about to build anyting taller than 30 stories.


Residential highrises over 30 stories? Not likely if St Anton is already considering scaling back a 20 story project, that is still probably a couple years off.
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i wish to see sacramento break the 30 story mark before i get out of here. that would be nice.
The Metropolitan would be next in line at 39-40 stories, but thats still a few years away from construction.
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