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Canada pounds expectations with Sept. job gains

Canada pounds expectations with Sept. job gains

'Jaws dropped' when numbers released, Scotia Capital trader says

Last Updated: Friday, October 10, 2008 | 9:27 AM ET Comments264Recommend70

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They might have been mostly part-time — but Canada produced more than 100,000 new jobs in September, almost 10 times better than economists expected, according to figures released by Statistics Canada Friday.
Canada's economy gained 107,000 jobs in September as the unemployment rate held steady at 6.1 per cent, the national statistical agency said.
In advance of Tuesday's federal election, many analysts were expecting just a modest pickup, in the 12,500 range.
"Canadian employment rose by a record 106,900 in September …defying not only conventional wisdom but gravity as well," said Doug Porter, an economist with BMO Capital Markets in an afternoon note.
Of those new jobs, more than 90 per cent of the gain were people securing part-time work. But even the 10,000 full-time payroll additions was a good showing, Porter said.
Future is now

Canada's decent job market might be a sign that the country has some economic legs despite the worldwide financial meltdown.
On Wednesday, electronics retailer Future Shop Ltd. said it planned to hire 6,000 seasonal workers to man its stores for the Christmas rush.
"We feel very confident about the season," said John Benjamin, senior regional management recruiter for Future Shop.
Canada's unemployment rate stayed steady on the month because of an increase in the number of people looking for work, up 113,000.
Better than the U.S.

By a number of different measures, Canada's job markets appear more robust than the United States.
In September, for instance, while Canadian businesses and governments added to payrolls, the American job-creation machine was anything but, chewing up 159,000 positions in the month.
For the first nine months of the year, Canada has created 194,000 new positions, a gain of 1.1 per cent compared to 2007. United States' payrolls fell by three-quarters-of-a-million spots in the same period.
When you use the same method of calculation, Canada's unemployment rate for the month was 5.3 per cent, lower than America's 6.1 per cent, Statistics Canada said.
Largest jump in recorded history

The numbers represent the largest overall jump Statistics Canada has recorded since the agency began collecting the data more than 30 years ago. The previous record month was January 2002, when 97,000 jobs were added.
The employment increase in September was mostly reflected in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia.
The agency said employment increased across a number of industries, including health care and social assistance, business, building, support services, agriculture, construction and natural resources.
Losses were seen in accommodation and food services, and utilities.
But almost all of this increase was in part-time work, representing 97,000 positions.
"That's not what you want to see in job creation," Taruc said. "What you want to see if more full-time jobs because there are more people gainfully employed."
The September employment report also included large job creation in Ontario and Quebec, which have been at the centre of the slowdown in the manufacturing sector, which added 20,000 jobs.
Gain follows modest pickup

The September gain follows a modest 15,000 jobs pickup in August and a loss of 55,000 jobs in July.
With most economists judging the economy is in or near a recession, the September increase may be seen as a correction of the 55,000 lost jobs in July.
Statistics Canada concedes its survey of 53,000 households has an error factor of plus or minus 43,500 jobs from the 107,000 number.
Geoff Bowlby, the agency's director of labour statistics, said the September findings were double checked because of the outsized employment growth.
"We're very confident in the number," he said. "This is well outside the statistical error range."
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Yeah, but how many of those jobs were for the board room table and not the kitchen table?!

Damn Harper and his sweater.
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But almost all of this increase was in part-time work, representing 97,000 positions.
Not many board room table jobs either, I bet.
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most part time jobs but they are good for students and anyone that are in a slump with economic blah blah blah so they can stay afloat at least and maybe have that much more money to spend witch helps keep us in the black vs the red the key will be to see what the numbers for october are... and at this point i don't know anyone whos lost their job over the economic stuff here in winnipeg yet...
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here's the breakdown from Statscan:
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Over the first nine months of 2008, employment has increased 1.1% (+194,000), a slower pace of growth compared with 1.7% (+275,000) during the same period last year. With September's increase, part-time work has increased by 131,000 so far in 2008, nearly double the increase in full time. This contrasts with the first nine months of last year, when gains were mostly full time.


Employment up across many industries
Employment in health care and social assistance rose by 40,000 in September, erasing losses observed over the previous three months. This leaves employment in the industry 2.8% above the level at the end of last year.

In September, employment was up by 20,000 in business, building and other support services. Despite the latest increase, employment in the industry remained 5.1% lower than the level observed at the end of last year.

Manufacturing employment increased by 20,000 in September, bringing the industry back to a level similar to the end of 2007. So far this year, continued weakness in this sector in Ontario was offset by gains in Quebec and Alberta. Compared with the peak reached in 2002, manufacturing employment in Canada is down 342,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in "other services." Employment also rose by 16,000 in transportation and warehousing, with gains mostly in trucking and rail transportation.

In September, employment increased by 15,000 in agriculture, with gains in Ontario, Alberta and Saskatchewan. According to the September Farm Survey, farmers expect a large harvest of field crops such as canola and wheat. Despite this latest employment gain, farm employment has declined by 6.0% (-21,000) over the past 12 months.

Employment in the construction industry continued to build on the strength observed over the past few years, up 14,000 in September. This brings total gains since the start of the year to 101,000 (+8.7%), the largest increase of any industry, with gains mostly in Ontario, British Columbia, Quebec and Alberta.

Employment in natural resources edged up 6,700 in September with nearly all of the gain in Alberta. September's increase came from the oil and gas sector, which accounted for about half of the 0.7% increase in real gross domestic product in July.

There were employment declines in accommodation and food services (-16,000) and utilities (-9,300) in September. Despite these decreases, employment in both industries has shown an upward trend over the first nine months of the year.

Strong employment growth in Central Canada
Employment in Ontario rose by 52,000 in September, bringing growth so far in 2008 to 1.6%. Despite these gains, the unemployment rate edged up to 6.4%, as a large number of people entered the labour market. So far this year, employment increases have occurred in transportation and warehousing; construction; accommodation and food services; and health care and social assistance, while there has been a decline in manufacturing (-16,000).

In Quebec, employment increased by 32,000 in September, pushing the unemployment rate down 0.4 percentage points to 7.3%. Over the first nine months of this year, there has been little employment change, as gains in health care and social assistance; manufacturing; construction; and information, culture and recreation were dampened by declines in retail and wholesale trade; agriculture and "other services."

Employment in Alberta rose by 17,000 in September, bringing total gains so far this year to 30,000 (+1.5%), or about half the increase observed over the same period in 2007. Employment gains in 2008 have occurred in professional, scientific and technical services; manufacturing; educational services; agriculture; and construction. In September, a large increase in labour force participation pushed the unemployment rate up 0.3 percentage points to 3.8%, still the lowest in the country.

In Saskatchewan, employment was up by 7,700 in September, an increase similar to that of the month before. The unemployment rate fell 0.4 percentage points to 4.1%. So far this year, employment has grown by 2.9%, the fastest rate of growth of any province. Increases over this period occurred mainly in construction; health care and social assistance; and natural resources.

Employment also increased in Nova Scotia in September, up 4,900, bringing the employment rate back to its record high of 59.3%.

In Newfoundland and Labrador, employment edged down 2,700 in September, leaving employment in the province down slightly from the level at the end of 2007.
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Yeah, but how many of those jobs were for the board room table and not the kitchen table?!

Damn Harper and his sweater.
Yeah, & why only 107000 jobs? Damn Harper & his sweater. Why can't he panic like the other leaders want him to?
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txs for the break down should be interesting to see octobers though but hopefully the drop in the dallor will be good for onterio
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most part time jobs but they are good for students and anyone that are in a slump with economic blah blah blah so they can stay afloat at least and maybe have that much more money to spend witch helps keep us in the black vs the red the key will be to see what the numbers for october are... and at this point i don't know anyone whos lost their job over the economic stuff here in winnipeg yet...
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Yes, every word is spelled correctly. The grammar is absolute shit, but you've kikt thu fonix.

Here is another surprising economic story:

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Local house prices on the rise
Tb News Source | 10 October 2008
http://www.tbsource.com/Localnews/index.asp?cid=112320

The local housing market appears strong.

The prices of houses in Thunder Bay have seen what some analysts call an unusual increase, compared to this time last year.

Warren Philp, the Northern Ontario Market Analyst for Canada Mortgage and Housing, said the average price of a home is up 8 to 5 per cent for the last nine months of 2008, compared to 2007.

Philp said that indicates a strong demand for housing. The price gains are attributed to the tight supply on the market.

Philp said just looking at the listings, there are currently only 295 houses for sale. Two years ago there was 540. The average home in Thunder Bay is selling for more than $141,000.

Earlier this year, there was a report about the affordability of houses in the city, citing that they were the most affordable in comparison to large cities across the world. Philp said despite the new numbers, Thunder Bay is still one of the most affordable centres in the world.
A few years ago, the average was below $100,000. Also, Thunder Bay Fine Papers was able to raise 10 million dollars in private investment, most of which came from the United States, to restart its operations.
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Yeah, but how many of those jobs were for the board room table and not the kitchen table?!

Damn Harper and his sweater.
Hopefully it wasn't the banks and oil companies creating those jobs. Assholes.

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Hopefully it wasn't the banks and oil companies creating those jobs. Assholes.

Exactly. Those tax breaks need to be bigger. The banks STILL have to charge dozens of fees to make ends meet! It's terrible!

And the oil companies! They're only making tens of billions of dollars in profits this quarter, as opposed to the hundreds of billions last year at this time. It is absolutely terrible and SOMETHING must be done!! We need more corporate welfare!!!!
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You're right. It's only the worst economic crisis in a generation. I'm sure if we make it more difficult for the largest and most successful companies in the country it won't affect the millions of Canadians who are employed by them. That'll show those bastards.
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There is clearly a lack of knowledge from the general public about fairly simple financial matters. It is no wonder we are in an "economic crisis." Oil companies are making profits now because for tax purposes they are matching current revenues (prices at essentially all-time highs) with costs depleted at a unit-of-production method. ie. mixing old much lower costs with new higher costs. If oil companies used a LIFO system for depleting their costs of production they would be reporting much lower profits. (and paying much less into government revenues, by the way).

In laymans terms, the cheap to find and cheap to produce oil is generally gone.
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Totally unrelated to job growth - but since some of us are focusing on big bad oil, tax cuts and how they are the devil incarnate, I thought I'd repost something I submitted a while ago on the NEP II thread ...
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Re. Big Bad Oil.

I'm not going to try and defend anyone, rather I just want to present some numbers to help frame the discussion.

In 2006, the Federal Gov't of Canada collected nearly $34 Billion dollars in corporate taxes from all companies in Canada.

The largest single corporate tax payer in 2006 was Petro Can who paid $2.384 Billion dollars. The second largest tax payer was Encana, who paid $2.205 Billion. Number 5 was Talisman and at 7th place was Imperial, who combined added another $2.3 Billion dollars to the federal coffers. BTW, all this tax money paid is after credits for capital depreciation OR oil sand investments OR other deductions have been applied against revenue; so this is the actual amount paid to CCRA.

When you include all the oil&gas companies who paid taxes in 2006, the total collected is just under $13 Billion or 37% OF ALL CORPORATE TAXES COLLECTED.

BTW, energy companies paid more in taxes than the financial, auto manufacturing and transportation sectors COMBINED.

Finally, for the federal budget year that included the 2006 tax year the Fed ran a budget surplus of $9 Billion.

Just thought you'd want to know!
We should just nationalise all those oil companies since that would obviously make things better.
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