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Old Posted Jun 11, 2012, 12:15 AM
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Lurie Children's Hospital was moved to the completed list on p.1, and the Hyatt McCormick Place North Tower was added to the construction list.
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Honestly, if all buildings were designed to be "timeless," we would have a pretty boring city.
You'd have (sections of) Paris, which is not a terrible thing.
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^^ That was my first thought too.

Chicago architects don't seem to have a very good sense of proportion when doing traditional design, though, because their 1980s postmodern education focused on only the superficial appearance and not on internal order and harmony.
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Thanks for those updates, JMT.^ I like the large pics.
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^^ That was my first thought too.

Chicago architects don't seem to have a very good sense of proportion when doing traditional design, though, because their 1980s postmodern education focused on only the superficial appearance and not on internal order and harmony.
... or playing nice with their neighbors. This is more a problem of contemporary developers than Chicago architects, but buildings today never seem to be built with the idea that there might someday be something different next door in mind. We don't get the nice, consistent streetwalls that used to be built.

Also, Chicago NEEDS to mandate underground parking garages. It's becoming a really unfortunate city to walk around, when the second floor of every building is the start of a blank or pathetically decorated concrete wall that rises another 8 stories from the street. In New York, even with new buildings, if you look up to the second floor you see someone's living room. Whatever the cost or impact on the amount of development, that needs to happen immediately.
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I'm not sure we should make anything necessary. One of the great things about Chicago is the cheapness of housing. Maybe a better way to do it would be to offer tax incentives to, among other urban planning niceties, put parking underground. In many areas this will of course never happen as parking podiums offer a perfect opportunity for Alderman to mandate residents' views be saved with a slender tower on top of a parking podium.

I also really like the way those windows louver open on the tri-hotel. It adds a really nice (changing) texture to the building.
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... or playing nice with their neighbors. This is more a problem of contemporary developers than Chicago architects, but buildings today never seem to be built with the idea that there might someday be something different next door in mind. We don't get the nice, consistent streetwalls that used to be built.

Also, Chicago NEEDS to mandate underground parking garages. It's becoming a really unfortunate city to walk around, when the second floor of every building is the start of a blank or pathetically decorated concrete wall that rises another 8 stories from the street. In New York, even with new buildings, if you look up to the second floor you see someone's living room. Whatever the cost or impact on the amount of development, that needs to happen immediately.
Consistent streetwalls don't allow developers to maximize their returns, because buildings in such an environment have units with street views - the valuable ones - and ones in the back that face an alley, which are less valuable. Mid-block buildings can never have corner units, either.

In Paris and some parts of New York, it's less of a problem because people buy into neighborhoods, not into buildings. The amenities and views in a particular building don't factor in because the people who move there expect to spend most of their time out in the city. Apartments are differentiated by location, finishes and the efficiency of the layout.

On the other hand, the Chicago model is based on Canadian cities like Vancouver and Toronto - heavily oriented around the developer's right to maximize profits and disguised with straw men about "short fat buildings blocking out the sun". It would be interesting to take an area of Chicago with good transit access and abolish all parking requirements within the zone while encouraging streetwall development, as an experiment. Motor Row is a good candidate - nobody really lives there now, so there's nobody to complain about street parking issues and so forth, and it has easy access to two L lines and good bike infrastructure.
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I think it's unrealistic to expect developers in Chicago to limit the windowline until land is so expensive they have to. The developer of a new building is not competing with the purchaser's platonic ideal of what a condo is, he's competing with the other condos on the market. The ones with windows and views are always going to sell better.

This became a real dilemma for the planning of Central Station. Twenty years ago, many of us thought Roosevelt should have a masonry streetwall like Michigan Avenue does, to similarly frame Grant Park. The PD said it would. But once it became apparent that there was no market for office space, that had to be put aside because you just can't build big new residential buildings with no windows on the sides.
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Photo of AMLI tonight. I was attempting to do this handheld and will bring a tripod next time.

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^ That's a pretty steady hand. I've tried shots like that without a tripod that turned out far worse.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2012, 6:54 AM
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... or playing nice with their neighbors. This is more a problem of contemporary developers than Chicago architects, but buildings today never seem to be built with the idea that there might someday be something different next door in mind. We don't get the nice, consistent streetwalls that used to be built.

Also, Chicago NEEDS to mandate underground parking garages. It's becoming a really unfortunate city to walk around, when the second floor of every building is the start of a blank or pathetically decorated concrete wall that rises another 8 stories from the street. In New York, even with new buildings, if you look up to the second floor you see someone's living room. Whatever the cost or impact on the amount of development, that needs to happen immediately.
Good call. It seems the central part of the CBD is the only place in the metro area that attempts to maintain a solid streetwall.
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General Growth is looking to vacate their current office on Wacker and is looking relocate nearby. Thwir CEO noted that "an exact location is still being decided, the relocation team is focused on downtown Chicago and we are reviewing offices within blocks of our current location."

That existing location is just prime for a couple of bulldozers and a new office building.
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I wonder how much square footage they require?
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That existing location is just prime for a couple of bulldozers and a new office building.
I hope it stays what it is. It's nice variation plus, more importantly, it means there's a nice view of the Lyric Opera building from the Wolf Point area. I think that view would be worse if Lyric were mostly obscured by some new building. It also helps let in a lot of light to the Wacker Corridor.
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Yeah. The General Growth Building is awesome. It would be a real shame if anything happened to it.
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General Growth is looking to vacate their current office on Wacker and is looking relocate nearby. Thwir CEO noted that "an exact location is still being decided, the relocation team is focused on downtown Chicago and we are reviewing offices within blocks of our current location."

That existing location is just prime for a couple of bulldozers and a new office building.
Now that Wolf Point and River Point have active plans, the General Growth site, with its river views and Wacker address, seems to be the last remaining heavily underutilized piece of real estate in the Loop.

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Any renderings for development around United Center and new Berto Center?
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