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Old Posted: Oct 19, 2008, 4:52 PM
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Exclamation Some Say Washington, DC Needs to Aim Higher [Skyscrapers]

I am mixed on this to be honest: there is something really charming to me about DC and its low and mid-rise bldgs. Also, there is nothing like being anywhere in the city and being able to experience the sunlight. But on the other hand, adding some taller bldgs. would make the market more competitive, lower the costs a little and give the opportunity for some really creative buildings.

I think a high-rise district would be a wonderful solution and a great compromise!


Some say Washington needs to aim higher

By Brian Westley
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - No skyscrapers jut from this low-lying federal city, allowing iconic buildings like the Washington Monument and U.S. Capitol to dominate the horizon.

However, the historically sparse skyline might not stay that way.

As vacant land disappears in Washington, concerns about high real estate prices are fueling debate on whether developers should be allowed to build taller, which is prevented under a century-old law.

Land scarcity and concerns about the need to curb suburban sprawl have even spawned talk of eventually bringing office towers to a city long known for its picturesque views, sunlit streets and compact buildings. Within 15 years, according to one analysis, no more space will be available in a 3.5-mile stretch from Georgetown to Capitol Hill.

Christopher Leinberger, a land-use strategist and visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution think tank, warns that unless more room is found, the artificial cap on space will further inflate already soaring downtown real estate prices, which rank second behind Manhattan.

As a result, only the wealthiest businesses and residents will be able to stay in Washington, stunting the city's tax base.

Contrary to popular lore, the city's low-lying skyline has nothing to do with preserving the prominence of the Washington Monument's 555-foot stone obelisk.

In fact, Congress - which has oversight over the capital - passed the Height Act of 1910 in response to residents' outrage over the 14-story Cairo apartment building erected in 1894 near Dupont Circle, towering over nearby rowhouses. Besides concerns about aesthetics, there also was a desire to prevent buildings from becoming too tall for fire engine ladders.

The law limits building heights to the width of the adjacent street plus 20 feet. There have been several exceptions to allow for construction of the National Cathedral and Georgetown University Hospital. Otherwise, the Height Act has capped most buildings at 130 feet, though heights of 160 feet are permitted on certain areas of Pennsylvania Avenue.


For plenty of influential Washington planners, the idea of altering the city's skyline borders on blasphemy.

"I think it's very important to recognize the real uniqueness of Washington's physical character, certainly compared to any other American city," said Thomas Luebke, the secretary of the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts. He called the city's skyline "a national symbol."

Critics also include Marcel Acosta, executive director of the National Capital Planning Commission. He argues that unlike parts of New York and Chicago, Washington's streets are much more welcoming to pedestrians, thanks to plentiful sunlight.

"In a world of cookie-cutter cities, this is one of our great advantages," he said.

Still, Gerry Widdicombe, director of economic development for the Downtown DC Business Improvement District, said the city's height restrictions would get increasing attention as space for new development continues to shrink.

The nonprofit group projects that 57 million square feet of space remains for offices, shops and apartments in central Washington. Whether that space vanishes in 15 years, or perhaps 30, could depend on how badly the city is affected by an economic downturn, Widdicombe said.

Washington wouldn't be the first traditionally low-lying city to see its skyline go vertical. Many European cities have created high-rise districts, such as London's Canary Wharf. And the Paris City Council recently voted to consider erecting tall buildings on the edge of the French capital.

In the United States, Los Angeles limited most buildings to 150 feet until 1957 because of concerns about earthquakes, said Witold Rybczynski, an architecture critic and professor at the University of Pennsylvania. And Philadelphia had an informal rule until the 1980s that buildings remain lower than the William Penn statue atop City Hall.

Besides lowering prices and slowing sprawl, proponents of taller buildings in D.C. note another upside - moving away from what's been dubbed "The Washington Box." Many of the city's office buildings have long been disparaged for their low ceilings and square, unimaginative facades that seek to use every possible square foot rather than dazzling passersby with elegant designs.

David Garrison, who has lived in Washington for 30 years, is among those who complain about the drab architecture, particularly along the high-powered K Street corridor. Yet for him, tall buildings marring the skyline would be even worse.

"I like the look and feel of the city," he said. "I'm used to it."

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Hmm....this looks interesting. I'm going to keep an eye on this topic.
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The question is whether there is anywhere in the District well suited but far enough from the major monuments and Capitol.

If they did something like La Defense that was well-designed and aligned with one of the major boulevards in order to create a new sight line rather than detracting from one of the existing famous views, this could be a good thing.

I think it would make most sense to take a relatively dilapidated part of DC and designate it as a highrise zone, but this would probably draw all kinds of fire from neighborhood activists screaming "gentrification!" as if that's a bad thing.
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Cirrus, on BeyondDC, posted his viewpoints on this issue. I'm sure he'll pop in here at some point, but he was advocating leaving the downtown core in tact while allowing more vertical development in some of the other areas of the District outside of the historic downtown core. This would be similar to what Paris & London have done.
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one of my favorite cities. leave it

build highrises in Va. right there across the river
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one of my favorite cities. leave it

build highrises in Va. right there across the river
Problem with this is that the District wants those tax dollars. This is the same reason they won't just get on with building Gary/Chicago Int'l into a third city airport the size of Newark's. Springfield wants an airport in Illinois.

But like Indiana, Virginia could just take the initiative here and do it themselves. An expansion of the DC Metro would be helpful here.


What about the area north of Union Station? There's a big rundown/underdeveloped area there from what little I remember. They could even get really ambitious and cantilever a huge plaza a la La Defense over the rail tracks. This is fairly central and would be convenient for business travelers that use Acela.
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There's nothing to watch. This gets brought up in the DC press about once per year, but no matter your feelings on the subject pro or con, it's not going to happen any time soon because there's still plenty of near-downtown land supply, so no one is screaming very loudly for change. The fact is skyscrapers just aren't necessary, except in cities that are very, very dense.
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could they make a high rise district away from the core?
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The question is whether there is anywhere in the District well suited but far enough from the major monuments and Capitol.

If they did something like La Defense that was well-designed and aligned with one of the major boulevards in order to create a new sight line rather than detracting from one of the existing famous views, this could be a good thing.

I think it would make most sense to take a relatively dilapidated part of DC and designate it as a highrise zone, but this would probably draw all kinds of fire from neighborhood activists screaming "gentrification!" as if that's a bad thing.
The one area always discussed whenever this comes up is Poplar Point. Poplar Point is a brownfield site that's been under the control of the National Park Service for some time now. Part of it is home to the proposed location of DC United's stadium that's under consideration - their lobbying helped lead the charge for a land swap that would put the area under local control, rather than under that of NPS.

As far as distance goes, it's far enough away from the core of DC that it would visually separate. Like Rosslyn, it's across a river from the core, yet still very close to downtown via Metro. It was never part of the L'Enfant city.

Also, it would have the option of terminating a vista along one of DC's state avenues - New Jersey Avenue's ROW would extend across the river to the site.

The Washington Post summarizes the issues at play:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040701317.html

Clark Realty was selected as the Master Developer, should the development ever move forward:

http://www.poplarpointdc.com/downloa...ty_Capital.pdf

For me, it's easy to envision simply making those buildings taller. There's nothing there right now to crowd out, and the adjacent areas of Anacostia would benefit greatly from the development and transportation infrastructure upgrades that would come along with it.

Ideally, I'd love to see that area emerge as a sort of Southern DC transportation hub, with Light Rail lines connecting down to National Harbor and Alexandria, the existing Metro, Light Rail up to the Orange and Blue lines, and streetcar connections across the river into Near SE.
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There's nothing to watch. This gets brought up in the DC press about once per year, but no matter your feelings on the subject pro or con, it's not going to happen any time soon because there's still plenty of near-downtown land supply, so no one is screaming very loudly for change. The fact is skyscrapers just aren't necessary, except in cities that are very, very dense.
Population-dense, or coporate dense?? Residential skyscrapers come into effect b/c of density. Corporate skyscrapers come into effect b/c people like to spend money.
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Actually it applies for residential too. Except in New York (and maybe Chicago), the densest residential neighborhoods are rarely those with skyscrapers. There are two reasons:

1. Skyscraper districts (especially residential skyscraper districts) usually waste a lot of space on the ground. The buildings are farther apart, there are more plazas / parks / driveways / parking lots, etc. The buildings are taller, but the land isn't used as efficiently. Thus, even with taller buildings skyscraper districts generally have lower units/acre ratios than the densest kind of low-rise neighborhood. This only applies to very dense low-rise neighborhoods though - the sort found mainly on the coasts.

2. Low rise districts are often filled with group houses and families, while skysrapers are generally filled with singles and couples, and are difficult to convert to group housing. Thus, even where skyscraper districts have higher unit density, low-rise districts have more people living per unit.

Look at the densest neighborhoods in the dense coastal cities and rarely are they populated with particularly tall buildings. Skyscrapers are built because they can be more profitable for the individual land owner on which the tall building is built, but from the perspective of density they're not really necessary unless your city is already covered with very dense low-rise urbanism.
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I would definitely disagree with that.
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Disagree with what?

Look, I'm not saying tall buildings are bad, nor am I saying there isn't specialty demand to live in them among a subset of the population that specifically wants to. After all, I live in one of the tallest residential buildings in the DC region.

But the fact that you don't need them to supply high density is not an opinion up for debate. It is an incontrivertible fact proven by the lack of tall buildings in many of the densest neighborhoods in America and Europe. Eventually you may need them if you're going for New York or Hong Kong levels of density, but short of that, low rises and mid rises absolutely positively can produce very high levels of density - on the order of perhaps 100,000 people per square mile - on their own, whether a bunch of skyscraper geeks (including me) like it or not.
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As a former Native of DC and the metro region (but now living in NYC for the past 12yrs) I have been saying that this is what was needed to some degree. I think areas farther from the National Mall areas, i.e. like around K Street or upper NW/SE areas I think it could work. Can anybody here make a rendering just for us to see what it would like? DC doesn't need really tall skyscrapers as it's not, and never will be, a NYC or Chicago in terms of Skyscrapers....that's it's charm, and uniquness, but maybe some 30-40 Story bldgs that are NOT in VA/MD.
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No can do. Washington can't have skyscrapers because of national security reasons. All those communication beams criscrossing the airwaves (pentagon, state department, white house, etc.) need to be clear of interferences to insure the fastest & cleanest reception.
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That's a non-issue. There are plenty of tall buildings in Northern Virginia, some of them very near the Pentagon, and the White House is already surrounded on 3 sides by buildings much taller than it.
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What are the top skyscraper districts in the D.C. area?
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I think it's Alexandria, Virgina though I'm probably wrong.
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I am as pro-skyscraper as anyone could ever be on this forum, but I don't think we need them in D.C. I say go with more low-rise districts that as some have said above, would provide considerable density without the need for highrises. Washington D.C. is very visually unique with unobstructed expansive views of our natonal landmarks and I think it should stay that way.
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one of my least favorite cities, but leave it.

Alexandria is limited by flight paths to Reagan Airport. Other than that, I really don't know where they would put a scraper "district." It would have to be on transit, naturally.
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