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Old 10-21-2008, 08:55 PM
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DAYTON, OH | The Green Towne Center


Had some time this morning, so I decided not to venture far and do a thread on our outdoor mall that is fairly new. Phase II is just about to open.
Not a fan of these type places, but this one is actually quite nice as it is not the overwhelmingly large ones you see in other cities. Mind you, it was 9:30am, so it was not crowded. This place actually becomes a zoo during the day....especially the weekend and on warm days!

PS- I may have actually done a thread on this when it first opened, but can't actually remember. If so, there's more pics now.


From Wikipedia:

The Greene, (known as the Greene Town Center), is a mixed-use development located in Beavercreek, Ohio (an eastern suburb of Dayton in Greene County), at the exit from Ohio Interstate 675 to Indian Ripple Road. The first phase of the center opened on August 24, 2006.

The complex is an established mixed-use, office, retail, dining and entertainment center and serves as the third shopping center in the Miami Valley region. The co-owner and developer, Steiner + Associates, is known for creating similar town centers such as the Easton Town Center in Columbus as well as other centers in the Cincinnati-Newport, Milwaukee and Kansas City regions.

Development
The Greene is being built in two phases over 72 acres of land at a cost estimated exceed $200 million when complete. The developer provided the majority of the funding, but based on the $186 million estimate, the public's share is $14.8 million, or eight percent of the total cost.[1] This is the lowest percentage bond financing in their portfolio. The location of the property is within the southeast boundaries of Indian Ripple and Stroop Roads, just off the exit to I-675.

Phase I was developed in the period of spring 2005 until its completion in 2006. The first phase will include Lane Bryant, Brio Tuscan Grille, Victoria's Secret, Cheesecake Factory, Fleming's Prime Steakhouse and Wine Bar, Black House|White Market, Chico's, Sephora's, Forever XII, and numerous other retailers and/or restaurants new to the Dayton area. The architect of record for the majority of the project was Meachem and Apel.

The development for Phase I will also include: a comedy club (The Funny Bone), a fitness club (Urban Active), as well as an upscale movie theater (Cinema De Lux). Phase I also includes 100,000 square feet (9,300 m2) of second-floor office space overlooking the town square and approximately 136 residential loft apartments that will become available in early 2007. The mixed-use residential buildings were designed by Torti Gallas and Partners.

Phase I celebrated its grand opening on August 24, 2006 with some tenants still under construction. Phase I is expected to be fully leased by the end of 2007.

Phase II will focus on fashion and will include the anchor department store, Von Maur. Von Maur is sometimes described as the Nordstrom of the Midwest and features fashion, accessories and beauty products, but not furniture or other department store goods. It is known for its interest-free credit card, free shipping and free gift wrapping. Like Nordstrom, Von Maur is also known for a high degree of customer service, including handwritten notes from employees following purchases. Phase II will be completed in fall 2008 and has tenants such as Fossil and Clarks lined up to fill the retail space.

According to the owners, the estimated new revenue created will exceed $23.4 million, with $8.1 million of that in local revenue. Principal beneficiaries are Greene County and Beavercreek City School District, followed by the city of Beavercreek.[2]

The owners want to make an impression of a central-style environment that becomes a civic center for outdoor concerts, holiday events and a family gathering space during the both the summer and winter, in particular children playing in the random pattern pop-up fountain during the summer. Research from other Steiner projects has evidenced that the number of visitors is essentially unaffected by seasonal weather.

The town center is designed to look like a classic American main street with public spaces, fountains, street grids and metered parking spots in front of stores. All metered parking benefits a charitable foundation. Parking in lots and garages is free.

Most of the construction work on The Greene has been completed, with all of the streets and parking structures open and ready for business. In addition to unveiling the completed town square, the center will shine with its new ornamental light poles and verdant landscaping.[3] The affluent areas of Beavercreek, Bellbrook, Kettering, Oakwood, Centerville, and Springboro are the core market for the shopping complex.

Controversy
During construction, the shopping center was a controversial topic among people in the towns surrounding the development. The land was once a forest and Beavercreek officials have been debated on the economic impact. Opponents also question if the area can support The Greene, The Mall at Fairfield Commons and the Dayton Mall.

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Phase II
Adding on to the garage already!




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Old 10-21-2008, 09:17 PM
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They're not fooling me with these 'towne centre" developments throughout the nation... it's still just a suburban shopping mall.


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Old 10-21-2008, 10:18 PM
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They're not fooling me with these 'towne centre" developments throughout the nation... it's still just a suburban shopping mall.
that is absolutely correct, this looks all cute and small town-ish, but it would make more sense if this area was loaded with residential and commercial space as well. Most of these developments miss the point of being more urban and might as well just be shopping centers.


Great shots by the way, going there when it was empty is about the only way I could put up with a place like that.


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Old 10-21-2008, 10:29 PM
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Why are these outdoor malls all the rage? Malls came to being to keep shoppers in a climate controlled atmosphere and out of the cold, rain, heat etc. Does everyone want to shop in the cold, wind and rain these days?


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Old 10-21-2008, 11:21 PM
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There doing the same thing in a couple cities in Colorado....attractive, but oh so cookie cutter. Nice shots.


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Old 10-21-2008, 11:38 PM
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Any idea what is intended to go in the upper storeys? Offices? Condos? Just a facade?


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:28 AM
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Any idea what is intended to go in the upper storeys? Offices? Condos? Just a facade?
Actually, forgot to touch on that. All upper floors you see are apartments and/or Condos. I heard they are all (actually most I guess) occupied. The area is totally surrounded by mixed residential of apartments, houses and condos. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of these type shopping areas except there's something about this one that I like. I can't quite pin point it though.


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:30 AM
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I'm not a big fan of these type shopping areas except there's something about this one that I like. I can't quite pin point it though.
It's the Cheesecake Factory.


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:31 AM
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Why are these outdoor malls all the rage? Malls came to being to keep shoppers in a climate controlled atmosphere and out of the cold, rain, heat etc. Does everyone want to shop in the cold, wind and rain these days?
That's the problem with these type things in colder climates. I have seen it quite dead on the coldest days and rain. I think it was even closed for a few days last March, when we were pounded with a 2 foot snowstorm! The heat brings them out in droves!


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:32 AM
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It's the Cheesecake Factory.
LOL...
Oh hell no!!!!


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:48 AM
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of these fake town developments, but this one is one of the better ones I've seen, and the fact that there is residential above the retail makes me appreciate it a little more. Thanks for sharing!!


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Old 10-22-2008, 01:13 AM
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These are all over the country. Nothing unique about them.


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Old 10-22-2008, 01:18 AM
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Not the Greene!


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Old 10-22-2008, 01:30 AM
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Quality set of images!


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Old 10-22-2008, 08:13 AM
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Kind of reminds me of the Grove here:






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It was nice seeing Dayton for a change


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Old 10-22-2008, 02:19 PM
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Ugh. We have a similar development in Richmond Heights, just outside of St. Louis. It looks like a Hollywood back lot or something.


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Old 10-22-2008, 03:18 PM
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I like them a lot better than enclosed malls for sure. Gives you a chance to feel outdoor shooping. Nice day


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Old 10-22-2008, 03:31 PM
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It does seem stupid to go from climate controlled malls to these big box centres (esp in northern climates), but as usual the only reasoning that matters is the bottom line. In enclosed malls all the businesses and the mall owners have to pay for the upkeep and security of common areas. Eliminate the enclosed common area, washrooms, etcetera and you eliminate costs. Plus indoor malls attract a lot of senior citizens who use it for their morning walks in the winter and as a meeting place and teenagers who "hang out." They aren't there primarily to spend money so the business owners don't want to cater to them, they only care about people going in and out and dropping some money. This is well known and I don't agree with it, but that's the way things have gone.


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Old 12-06-2008, 04:18 PM
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I'm going here tonight with some friends to the cheesecake factory for a friend's birthday dinner...

My big problem with these places was always that they were outside...things being outside in Ohio makes no sense at all. For example, today it is 24 degrees and snowing pretty good. Oh well.


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Old 12-07-2008, 03:37 AM
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These are all over the country. Nothing unique about them.
I like the photos, but it's true that they're all over. Austin has the Domain, which looks similar and probably has some of the same businesses. It also has apartments above the businesses, which is what I like best about it. Still, I lost interest after two visits.


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