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Old Posted Sep 25, 2009, 8:51 PM
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Awesome news!

Once this Gigant will start rising Skywards, i believe other gigants could follow soon.

(Like World Product Centre)
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So which is it? 953 or 1083?
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So which is it? 953 or 1083?
I have no inside information but, if I were to guess, I would say it's 953 ft. to highest occupiable floor (how NYC Department of Buildings calculates building height) and 1083 ft. to roof height.
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this thread should be moved to the supertalls section since it's u/c.
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this thread should be moved to the supertalls section since it's u/c.
It's not under construction yet, they're just excavating now. Construction would follow, assuming the tower is financed. But the coming release of the design tells me good things.
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I have no inside information but, if I were to guess, I would say it's 953 ft. to highest occupiable floor (how NYC Department of Buildings calculates building height) and 1083 ft. to roof height.
That's great. That would mean there would be some kind of tall "crown."
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BTW, here's the LVMH tower which this is supposed to resemble:

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^ I hope its different. The BOA bldg has already satisfied my need for a crystalline-like skyscraper punctuating the NYC skyline. And given that they are similar in height it just wouldn't have the "newness" or "wow effect" if it looked like LVMH. Hopeful Mr. de Portzamparc presents us with something that rivals the Beekman or the soon to be constructed Tower Verre.

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That's great. That would mean there would be some kind of tall "crown."
We've always wondered if there would be some type of crown above that height. The application list the 953 ft as the "top of the wall".

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Mr. de Portzamparc, a winner of the Pritzker Prize, will discuss his recent work Tuesday at 6 PM at the Center for Architecture at 536 La Guardia Place on the west side of Silver Towers south of Washington Square Park in a lecture sponsored by the New York Chapter of the American Institute of Architecture of La Maison Francaise of New York University.
I get the feeling we'll be in for something early next week. Seems like we're always waiting for some type of unveiling.

Just an idea of where this tower will loom...

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It's an as-of-right tower, so the NIMBYs can't do anything.

NIMBYs can only influence the height when there are need for government variances or other zoning changes.

What does an 'as of right tower' mean?
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When its an allowable size under the existing zoning, therefore no additional governmental approvals are necessary.
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What does an 'as of right tower' mean?
It means no govt. approvals are required.

All that the developer has to do is abide by the zoning for site, and approval is automatic.
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^ I think there were some minor issues they were working out with the city, but can't remember what it was. Anyway, lets hope something is revealed by tomorrow...

http://cfa.aiany.org/index.php?secti...ndar&evtid=919

Wake Up The Cities : Recent Work by Christian de Portzamparc


When: 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29
Where: At The Center

Priztker Prize winning, Paris-based architect and urbanist, Christian de Portzamparc, Hon. FAIA, will lecture on his portfolio of completed and current work and his vision of the city with specific regard to his involvement in the "Grand Paris" challenge.

With his team of 100 collaborators, he currently has underway the redesigning of Rue de la loi, the adminstrative heart of Europe (Brussels, Belgium), a performing arts center in Rio de Janiero, the largest theater in Africa (Casablanca, Morocco), the headquarters for the top developer in France (Bouygues Immobilier) and an entire neighborhood in Paris (Massena Paris Left Bank). He also recently completed a new office tower in Paris la Defense, the Hergé Museum (Tintin’s author) in Belgium, and a new Concert hall in Luxemburg.

In New York, after the New York City Opera proposal (2004- canceled or stopped or interrupted in 2006), three large private tower projects are soon to see the light of day…
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In New York, after the New York City Opera proposal (2004- canceled or stopped or interrupted in 2006), three large private tower projects are soon to see the light of day…
that's the way i like it!
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Meanwhile, though the height may well increase, here's more good news...
http://www.cityrealty.com/new_develo...sider_news/#in

Partial permit issued today for 953-foot-high, mixed-use tower at 155 West 57th Street



24-Sep-09


The Department of Buildings issued a partial permit today for a 953-foot-high hotel and apartment tower at 155 West 57th Street that is planned by Extell Development.

The plan calls for a 73-story tower with about 150 residential condominium apartments on the top 52 floors.

The plans were filed by Jim Davidson of SLCE but rumors have circulated that Christian de Portzamparc may also be involved in the project. Mr. de Portzamparc has designed a multi-tower plan for Extell's development of the site near the East River between 59th and 61st Street west of West End Avenue at the south end of its portion of the Riverside South development that had been started by Donald Trump.

Mr. de Portzamparc designed in 1999 the prismatic mid-block tower for LVMH on 57th Street between Fifth and Madison Avenues and had also designed an angular tower for the adjacent corner site on Madison Avenue but that tower was not built. He is perhaps best known for his 1995 tower in Lille, France, that has no edge parallel to another, and his undulating Hotel Renaissance Marriott on Wagram Avenue in Paris, which was completed this year and for his oblique office tower known as the Granite Project that is under construction at La Defense in Paris.

He has also designed a 40-story, 436-unit apartment building at 400 Park Avenue South for A & R Kalimian Realty, which had also commissioned him to design a new home for the New York City Opera and an apartment tower for a site it had acquired near the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts from the American Red Cross in 2004. The opera company, however, eventually withdrew from the latter project.

The 21st floor would house a residential dining room, library and lounge and floors 22 through 30 would have 6 apartments per floor, floors 31 through 45 would have 4 apartments per floor, the 46th floor would be mechanical equipment, floors 47 through 58 would have two apartments per floor, floors 59 and 60 would constitute one duplex apartment, floors 61 through 70 would have one apartment per floor, and floors 71 and 72 would constitute one duplex apartment.

Excavation of the site has been proceeding recently. The site is across 57th Street from the Russian Tea Room restaurant and the Metropolitan Tower. The new tower, on which Frank Williams and Costas Kondylis, the architects, had also worked, would be taller than the area's three tallest skyscrapers: Carnegie Hill Tower and the Metropolitan Tower on 57th Street, and CitiSpire on 56th Street. The new tower would block some views of Central Park from the Metropolitan Tower, which has an angled facade.

Foundation work is underway at the site, which is adjacent to the great Alwyn Court apartment building on the southeast corner of 58th Street and Seventh Avenue and the former CAMI Hall at 163-5 West 57th Street, both official city landmarks.


Extell owns another development site nearby to the west, the former Hard Rock restaurant location on 57th Street.

Mr. de Portzamparc, a winner of the Pritzker Prize, will discuss his recent work Tuesday at 6 PM at the Center for Architecture at 536 La Guardia Place on the west side of Silver Towers south of Washington Square Park in a lecture sponsored by the New York Chapter of the American Institute of Architecture of La Maison Francaise of New York University.
What does a ''Partial Permit'' exactly mean in this case?

What's the difference between a partial permit and a full permit?

I really didn't know there were such things as 'partial permits'...
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What does a ''Partial Permit'' exactly mean in this case? What's the difference between a partial permit and a full permit?
I really didn't know there were such things as 'partial permits'...
Several permits are usually required. The DOB website has more information on the permit process...
http://nyc.gov/html/dob/html/applica...ts_howto.shtml
http://nyc.gov/html/dob/html/guides/series.shtml

An example of an application that was disapproved...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

And the latest permit issued for this site...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...20&requestid=5
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Several permits are usually required.

And the latest permit issued for this site...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...20&requestid=5
Would be very nice if this one rises skywards soon - (hopefully without financing problems / delays)
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While we wait on a rendering, some other Extell related news on a development just down the street...
http://www.observer.com/2009/real-es...t-twist?page=0

Plot Twist



By Eliot Brown
October 6, 2009

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There’s a rule of thumb that applies to the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission: The agency shouldn’t try to designate a building a landmark against its owner’s will unless the commission’s ready for a loud public skirmish. And, generally in the Bloomberg administration, the commission has steered clear of such battles, making for relatively few such messy designation attempts.

So in July, it came as something of a surprise when the LPC took the confrontational action of starting the designation process—an act known as “calendaring”—on a pair of connected buildings at Broadway and West 57th Street owned by Extell Development, one of the city’s most active developers.

Indeed, the move has provoked a major fight, as Extell scrambles to ward off the LPC’s designation drive. In recent weeks, the firm has been successfully urging unions, trade groups and, most notably, key members of the City Council to demonstrate push-back against the commission. Already, an LPC vote that had been expected this week has been delayed, with no new vote yet scheduled.

At the same time, preservationists, who have often been critical of the LPC for too frequently deferring to the desires of developers, support the designation—though the buildings had not been among their top priorities.

Both of the Howard Van Doren Shaw–designed buildings, 225 West 57th Street and 1780 Broadway, were built by the B. F. Goodrich Company in 1909 and were part of “Automobile Row,” a concentration of car dealerships, many of which are already landmarked. Extell’s argument is that it was blindsided by the designation effort, and landmarking both properties would ruin its prime development site, precluding the company from building a $1 billion–plus commercial tower. (According to property records, it already has a $256 million mortgage out on the site.)

Accordingly, the firm, which is led by Gary Barnett, has mobilized. Using its own preservation consultant, Extell submitted a compromise plan—landmark only 1780 Broadway, the old B. F. Goodrich headquarters—arguing that the history of the 12-story, brick 225 West 57th Street does not merit landmark status and that its demolition should be permitted.

Extell has leaned on key unions, including the New York Hotel and Motel Trades Council and the Building and Construction Trades Council, both of which have pull with the Bloomberg administration and on the Council, urging them to lobby against the landmarking and for the tower. The unions have each submitted testimony to the LPC in support of the compromise plan, as did the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects. The powerful Real Estate Board of New York opposes landmark designation for either building.

.........If the full LPC is to accede to Extell’s wishes, it would open itself to the charge that it backed down in the face of pressure from a powerful developer, and if it designates the building, it risks alienating Extell and its allies.

Further, if LPC were to go ahead with the designation of both properties, it would punt to the council the final decision making—and any accompanying political fallout—as that body has the power to veto a landmark designation (though that, too, is very rare).
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Those are the buildings that would be knocked down for Extel's second site? That's crazy. And yet, it is blind siding Extel a bit to suddenly move to landmark them.
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Those are the buildings that would be knocked down for Extel's second site? That's crazy. And yet, it is blind siding Extel a bit to suddenly move to landmark them.
I don't think it's crazy. If those are landmark worthy, then you may as well landmark all of Manhattan.
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