Surrey/South of Fraser Rapid Transit Discussion | Proposed - Page 64

red-paladin · #**1261** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 3:15 PM**

I think that is the best. The BRT could always be changed to LRT / ART later. After all, every other route has has a 'proving phase' / 'placation phaze' as a B Line bus first.

Metro-One · #**1262** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 4:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

I found something on the planning for SoF rapid transit. Looks like translink was actually listening and have added a new options for possible RRT routes.
They have taken the original plan with skytrain to Langley but have added a BRT route along king george and 104 ave.

I gotta say this Seems like it might come out being the best option since the time saving is the best now for everyone. Although I am still at a toss up with RRT 2

This is a great plan, and combined with the Evergreen Line and the Broadway M-line extension, Metro-Vancouver would have a very strong backbone skytrain network.

Zassk · #**1263** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 5:31 PM**

It just freaks me out at how much growth this will cause in Langley (and beyond). Do we really want to encourage growth so far east?

officedweller · #**1264** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 5:39 PM**

So far east of Vancouver, but a stone's throw from Downtown Surrey, Metro Vancouver's future second downtown.
It's good to see a radial rapid transit system focussed on Surrey City Centre.

nname · #**1265** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 5:54 PM**

Is that document public? Just wondering about the latest status, since they are supposed to make a decision on the preferred alternative(s) sometimes around this month or next month for both Broadway and SoF Rapid Transit....

Zassk · #**1266** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

So far east of Vancouver, but a stone's throw from Downtown Surrey, Metro Vancouver's future second downtown.
It's good to see a radial rapid transit system focussed on Surrey City Centre.

A stone's throw? From Whalley to Langley City it is almost double the distance as from downtown Vancouver to Metrotown or Richmond.

The distance we are talking about would get you from downtown Vancouver to Ladner or Port Moody.

Downtown Surrey's suburbs are Newton, Fleetwood and North Delta. Langley is much further, it is a 2nd-tier suburb even relative to Downtown Surrey.

It is really far east.

mezzanine · #**1267** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

It just freaks me out at how much growth this will cause in Langley (and beyond). Do we really want to encourage growth so far east?

The development is happening anyway. this proposal would be great, as it will encourage more intense transit-oriented development in east surrey and the langelys.

Compared to the northeast with the evergreen line and WCE, south/east surrey and langley really should be getting equivalent transit improvments. we don't even have the KGH b-line up and running and the HWY 1 bus is iffy.

go_leafs_go02 · #**1268** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 7:50 PM**

The vast majority of development in Langley and Cloverdale is transit orientated. Small, dense lots, lots of shopping/commercial nearby, but there's no transit.

nname · #**1269** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 8:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

A stone's throw? From Whalley to Langley City it is almost double the distance as from downtown Vancouver to Metrotown or Richmond.

The distance we are talking about would get you from downtown Vancouver to Ladner or Port Moody.

You are exaggerated quite a bit...

Whalley to Langley Centre is only about 40% longer than Downtown Vancouver to Metrotown, and 10% longer to Richmond Centre. Its about the distance from Downtown to SFU, and 30% shorter than Downtown to Port Moody.

From Downtown to Port Moody is like Whalley to 224 St. (past Murrayville). To Ladner.. you'd almost reach Aldergrove at 260 St. by that distance.

A line from the current Expo terminus to Langley Centre (by the casino) via Fraser Highway would be around 15.8km in length.

twoNeurons · #**1270** Posted: **Jun 25, 2012, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

You are exaggerated quite a bit...

Whalley to Langley Centre is only about 40% longer than Downtown Vancouver to Metrotown, and 10% longer to Richmond Centre. Its about the distance from Downtown to SFU, and 30% shorter than Downtown to Port Moody.

From Downtown to Port Moody is like Whalley to 224 St. (past Murrayville). To Ladner.. you'd almost reach Aldergrove at 260 St. by that distance.

A line from the current Expo terminus to Langley Centre (by the casino) via Fraser Highway would be around 15.8km in length.

And about 4km of that length (around 176th) is through the ALR, which effectively reduces the amount of sprawl in the corridor.

Downtown to Edmonds station is about 15km.

Downtown to North Vancouver is about 10km by car, but it's relatively close because you cross through a Park and across an inlet. Well, it's easy if the bridge isn't busy.

Track · #**1271** Posted: **Jun 25, 2012, 6:35 PM**

I'd say that this is the best plan by far, though I really don't see how they'll manage to fit any form of rapid transit down Fraser Hwy given how busy it is, and how build up the areas along it are. Elevated RRT will definitely make less of an impact in that way then ground level would, though.

Just to ask, where was that image found? The plans on the official Translink site haven't been updated since phase 1.

allan_kuan · #**1272** Posted: **Jun 25, 2012, 7:58 PM**

Well the image does have the cut off words along the lines of a "draft review".

Which reminds me, I should post up my own long-term plan on this... It'll probably end up in the fantasy section as before, but some parts will still be relevant discussion points.

go_leafs_go02 · #**1273** Posted: **Jun 25, 2012, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Track

I'd say that this is the best plan by far, though I really don't see how they'll manage to fit any form of rapid transit down Fraser Hwy given how busy it is, and how build up the areas along it are. Elevated RRT will definitely make less of an impact in that way then ground level would, though.

Just to ask, where was that image found? The plans on the official Translink site haven't been updated since phase 1.

Most of Fraser Highway has it's northside dedicated to shift the westbound lanes over - just look and you'll see a fairly wide swath of land that's just green space (it has to be recent development).

jhausner · #**1274** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 2:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by WaxItYourself

Hoodwinking us into thinking we're helping the environment? While the carbon tax isn't enough to curb consumer spending by itself it is just one part of the whole to decrease anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. And has been looked favourably by many other jurisdictions as the 'correct' way to institute a carbon tax.

I can find "jurisdictions" that look favourably on the 'correct' way of instituting a dictatorship, doesn't mean it is right. But then again 9 out of 10 dentists approve so it must be correct...

jhausner · #**1275** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 2:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

A stone's throw? From Whalley to Langley City it is almost double the distance as from downtown Vancouver to Metrotown or Richmond.

The distance we are talking about would get you from downtown Vancouver to Ladner or Port Moody.

Downtown Surrey's suburbs are Newton, Fleetwood and North Delta. Langley is much further, it is a 2nd-tier suburb even relative to Downtown Surrey.

It is really far east.

25km from downtown vancouver to Metrotown by car. 30km from central Surrey to Langley center (not willowbrook... center).

Not quite double.

nname · #**1276** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 3:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by jhausner

25km from downtown vancouver to Metrotown by car. 30km from central Surrey to Langley center (not willowbrook... center).

Not quite double.

Not sure which route you're taking...

I measured 12km from Downtown to Metrotown, and 17km from Surrey Central to Langley Centre...

Cypherus · #**1277** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 4:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Most of Fraser Highway has it's northside dedicated to shift the westbound lanes over - just look and you'll see a fairly wide swath of land that's just green space (it has to be recent development).

You are pretty much correct with the north side of Fraser Highway having just enough green-space to accommodate westbound lane shifts to the left. However, looking at the Fleetwood area on Google Maps, it is impossible for RRT to go through this corridor without extensive expropriation. Car dealership parking lots, other small business buildings, and even the FortisBC building borders the street with little to zero pivot for RRT development.

Metro-One · #**1278** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 4:41 AM**

Seems pretty doable to me, no more difficult than other arteries that have had RRT built over them in Metro-Vancouver.

As a side note, would this extension make the Expo Line the longest metro line in Canada?

Xerx · #**1279** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 4:57 AM**

Yeah, at about 43 km or so it would be the longest metro line in Canada. Yonge–University–Spadina line is the current longest right?

go_leafs_go02 · #**1280** Posted: **Jun 26, 2012, 5:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cypherus

You are pretty much correct with the north side of Fraser Highway having just enough green-space to accommodate westbound lane shifts to the left. However, looking at the Fleetwood area on Google Maps, it is impossible for RRT to go through this corridor without extensive expropriation. Car dealership parking lots, other small business buildings, and even the FortisBC building borders the street with little to zero pivot for RRT development.

Parking lots - easy to redevelop. All the buldings that are near the road are old, just look at them, and see that they've been around for decades. The City dedicates that strip on the north side whenever a property redevelops. This is for rapid transit - if and when it comes.