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Me either. However it will probably bring quite a bit of tourism to the area if it occurs.
Which is good for the city.
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Why did Vancouver City Council ban MMA?

Because they are a bunch of feminized, left-wing pansies, that's why.


The analogy to cockfighting is pretty weak and insulting to the guys who train hours every day to enter the octagon as well.
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Why did Vancouver City Council ban MMA?

Because they are a bunch of feminized, left-wing pansies, that's why.


The analogy to cockfighting is pretty weak and insulting to the guys who train hours every day to enter the octagon as well.
Putting "feminized" negatively ? What is wrong with having female qualities, assuming the Vancouver City Council acted with "female qualities" ?
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^Because the majority of Vancouver City Council are men (albeit a slim majority) and men are the overwhelming demographic of the UFC.
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Is there any progress with regards to the UFC coming here for June 2010? Any more new news on this?
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^ from what I'm hearing the COV is pretty much ready to go with an event in July or June. It's not finalized but what I'm hearing from the people in the know they want it!
The city could use the extra cash injection after the Olympics anyways
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^ from what I'm hearing the COV is pretty much ready to go with an event in July or June. It's not finalized but what I'm hearing from the people in the know they want it!
The city could use the extra cash injection after the Olympics anyways
If indeed the COV will allow the UFC to come to town, and it is successful (sell-out), I can't see the COV not wanting the UFC to come back to town on a regular basis. The UFC would be crazy not to return, and the COV would be crazier not to allow the UFC to come back. I hope it happens. Having more sporting events is a nice option.

I'm really excited with all of the sporting options the city is cultivating slowly. MLS is coming to Vancouver in 2011, the NHL is already here, the CFL with a newly renovated BC Place (or whatever the name of the stadium will be). I'm hoping that the NLL will return (the Ravens!) to the city post-Olympics. Those are pretty decent sporting events for the city. Over time, I can see more added to the city. Like having a PGA event come to Vancouver (there is one coming in 2011).
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Vancouver WA is the mecca of MMA in the northwest. But it's pretty big through out the whole northwest including much of BC, just not Vancouver lol. You can catch great MMA events in Chilliwack and Abbotsford. Funny how Vancouver BC is so out of touch with the rest of Northwest region.
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By Candice Mackinnon, Vancouver Sun - November 28, 2009


A mock-up of the poster for Honour Combat Championships, which will stage an amateur mixed martial arts event in Vancouver, B.C. on November 27.
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Ultimate Fighting Championship stars Denis Kang and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson were greeted with raucous cheers at Vancouver's first city-approved mixed martial arts event since 2007 Friday, as Honour Combat Championships debuted at the 500-seat Edgewater Casino.

One of a pair of events scheduled to take place within city limits on the night (the other launched at Fraserview Hall before a sell-out crowd of 1,000), the HCC fight card consisted of eight amateur fights featuring some of the best of the city's local fighting talent.

In attendance were Vancouver city councillors Kerry Jang and Heather Deal who decided they should come out, in Jang's words, "to see if the fighters were in any danger."

Jang came away impressed at how the event was run and at how much fun he had, telling reporters, "In all it was an interesting experience."


"I noticed that they had enough protective gear on their hands so there wasn't going to be a lot of bodily injury," Jang said after the show. "I was impressed by how quickly if somebody wanted to give up and they tapped-out, that happened very quickly as well."

With referees stopping fights a tad earlier than standard and the promoters utilizing the strictest of the Vancouver Athletic Commission's former rules and standards to run the show, safety was paramount from the outset. The fighters were aware that they wouldn't be allowed to take considerable punishment without a stoppage and none complained about the officiating.

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Rampage Jackson, complete with the BA Baracus mohawk he had received while acting in the upcoming A-Team feature film, laughed with the fans. With security under strict instructions to keep folks from bothering him while the fights were taking place, Jackson gave each fight his undivided attention.

Elsewhere at ringside, locally-raised UFC star Kang repeated one line often to anyone who asked his thoughts - "I just want to be able to fight here in Vancouver, in the UFC, in front of my family and friends. It's time."

Kang will be in town for a while - he's holding a seminar at Revolution's new 11,000 square foot MMA gym in Langley Saturday, yet another sign that the juggernaut that is mixed martial arts is coming to the city whether it has government approval or not.

Thankfully, government approval seems almost a formality.

With the crowd warned that this was a test event and that their behaviour could make or break MMA in the city, ticket-holders were well-controlled, if fairly liquored up.
The action in the ring was loudly cheered and, judging by the response to solid technique in the ring, the fans were as knowledgeable as any you'd meet in Vegas.

The opening fight of the night demonstrated one of the big misconceptions about mixed martial arts - that the cage is indicative of a Thunderdome-style fight to the death. With the Edgewater fights taking place in a boxing ring, when local fighter Andrew Small tied up Cody Teed, the pair fell through the ring ropes - a situation that repeated itself several times through the evening.

"That's why we need a cage!" yelled a fan at ringside.

Eventually, Small would take side control, land a series of undefended punches, shift to full mount and and end his fight with a nice armbar, leaving a bloodied Teed to tell the crowd, "I just wanted to come in here and fight," to a round of happy cheers.

Vancouver council will discuss the issue of MMA in December, and UFC VP of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner will be in attendance. He expects a UFC event in Vancouver to be confirmed "within 20 to 30 days" of council okaying regulation, with June 2010 at GM Place having been penciled in as the likely pay-per-view debut.

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In attendance were Vancouver city councillors Kerry Jang and Heather Deal who decided they should come out, in Jang's words, "to see if the fighters were in any danger."

"I noticed that they had enough protective gear on their hands so there wasn't going to be a lot of bodily injury," Jang said after the show. "I was impressed by how quickly if somebody wanted to give up and they tapped-out, that happened very quickly as well."
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By Candice Mackinnon and Chris Parry, Special to the Sun - November 29, 2009



Mixed martial artist Andrew Small [left] celebrates after Cory Teed taps out to an armbar at Honour Combat Championships at Edgewater Casino.
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Vancouver city councillors Suzanne Anton [left] and Heather Deal [right] discuss their approval of regulated mixed martial arts in Vancouver after a successful Honour Combat Championships test event.dd
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Taking in her first mixed martial arts event Friday night, and the first city-approved MMA fight card in over two years, Vancouver city councillor Suzanne Anton was surprisingly enthusiastic about bringing the cage-based combat sport back to the city after a two year absence.

“I want to be on this bandwagon," said Anton, the lone NPA voice on council. "Bandwagons come and go. If you wait too long and they'll be over and its a very popular sport right now. I want the UFC to come! Bring it on!”

450 people packed the Honour Combat Championships event Friday night, on an evening where another 1000 were drawn to a sold-out Fraserview Hall for a mixed kickboxing/MMA card. The promoters of both events were given special event permits by the city. But they were on their own in terms of standards, rules, refereeing, judging, and fighter safety as the Vancouver Athletic Commission hasn't been allowed to regulate MMA since September 2007.

That may be set to change in the coming days as council prepares to receive a staff report on the issue of regulating MMA locally, a move that would open the door for the Ultimate Fighting Championship to add a Vancouver event to its schedule.

Vision Vancouver councillors Kerry Jang and Heather Deal attended the HCC event as an educational exercise, looking to put to rest concerns over fighter safety and crowd control.

Said Deal after the first handful of fights, “I'm enjoying it more than I expected.”

“I agree” Jang chimed in, “I'm actually having a lot more fun then I thought I would.”


While COPE councillors David Cadman and Ellen Wordsworth continue to back the theory that regulated professional MMA would lead to brawling in the streets, long term injury to fighters and a bad element being attracted to the city, the pair seem increasingly isolated on council, and the HCC event went without a hitch.

Said Deal, “If we're bringing this in, and it looks like we're going to be - and I'm happy about that - then we should also be having events in our city-owned facilities so we can get the most benefit for our taxpayers as possible, as well as have fun.”

Jang paid close attention to the issue of fighter safety and said many of his fears had been allayed.

"I noticed that they had enough protective gear on their hands so there wasn't going to be a lot of bodily injury," Jang told reporters. "I was impressed by how, if somebody wanted to give up and they tapped out, that happened very quickly."

HCC promoter TJ Wozencroft could barely contain himself after the event. "I'm so happy with how things went and with the positive response we have received," he said. "Step one is in the bag, now the real work begins."

Wozencroft is already planning his next event, and hopes he'll be allowed to pay his fighters when it happens. The city permitted the Friday night event on the condition no professional fighters were used.

"These guys put their bodies on the line, they should be able to earn a living at it," he said.

At the top end of the sport, money is no object. The Ultimate Fighting Championship, which brought the sport to the public eye in the late 90's, regularly sets arena records around the world, as well as attracting pay-per-view audiences of over a million at US $50 per head.

While UFC VP of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner distanced his organization from the amateur events Friday, insisting that his company runs things very differently, the MMA juggernaut enjoyed a heavy presence at ringside. North Vancouver-raised middleweight fighter Denis Kang chatted happily with locals while former light heavyweight champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson studied the fights intently, posing for pictures with fans between rounds.

"I just want to be able to fight here in Vancouver, in the UFC, in front of my family and friends," said Kang. "It's time."

Jackson, in town to star as BA Baracus in the production of an upcoming A-Team movie, sported a Mr T mohawk but politely refused to confirm whether or not he "pity the fool."

Across town, Gerry Gionco's Fight Night at the View event at Fraserview Hall was another big success.

"The show went off very well," said Gionco Sunday. "None of the fighters got hurt, not one single problem in the building. The Fraserview Hall is one city block long, and it was full end-to-end."

The UFC has pencilled in GM Place as the scene of a likely pay-per-view special in June 2010, as long as either the city council or provincial government establishes legitimate regulation and oversight of the sport locally.

Two Montreal-based UFC events have attracted as much as $20 million annually to that city and generated significant side industries such as training centres and merchandise sales, according to officials.

Mixed martial arts is a variation on the sport of pankration which was a combination of wrestling and boxing, and was an Olympic sport as far back as 684 BC. The modern version blends boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, karate, judo and Muay Thai.

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By Chris Parry 17 Dec 2009 Ground and Pound

Filed under: UFC, Gregor Robertson, David Cadman, Heather Deal, Vancouver Athletic Commission, Kerry Jang, Suzanne Anton, Ellen Woodsworth, Vancouver city council, Geoff Meggs

I've been working the backrooms like a madman this past 24 hours, trying to confirm which direction Vancouver City Council is likely to go on the issue of mixed martial arts Thursday morning, and from everything I've been told, MMA regulation is a lock.

City staff have submitted their report on the issue of MMA, and the document is not just surprisingly welcoming to the sport, it's actually stunning in its clarity, research, and detail.

In fact, this report is so well put together, addressing every popular misconception on MMA in clear language with numerous sources, that it could be used as a blueprint for any other city wondering whether mixed martial arts should be regulated - and how that regulation should occur.

The important stuff:

RECOMMENDATION

A. THAT Council authorize the Vancouver Athletic Commission to sanction Mixed Martial Arts events as outlined in this report on a two-year pilot basis with a report back in early 2012 on experience with the pilot;

B. THAT promoters and organizers and venue owners of sanctioned Mixed Martial Arts events under the pilot program be required to provide indemnification in favour of the City and the Commission and also provide financial security (by way of a bond, letter of credit or other instrument), all in a form and in an amount and on terms and conditions satisfactory to the City Manager, the Director of Legal Services, the Director of Finance and Risk Management , to ensure protection for the City and the Commission;

C. THAT the Mayor, on behalf of Council, write to the Solicitor General and Attorney General of B.C. and to the Federal Justice Minister to request urgent clarification of the legal framework for the regulation of Mixed Martial Arts;

D. THAT current procedural requirements of the Vancouver Athletic Commission with respect to combat sports be revised, as noted in this report, in the areas of medical procedures and testing, sanctioning of Pro-Am events, security plans, and the retention of a qualified emergency physician for each event and that staff work with the Vancouver Athletic Commission to document the implementation of these requirements;

E. THAT Council approve an increase to the seat tax charged by the Vancouver Athletic Commission from $0.10/seat to $1.00/seat for every contest or exhibition, to go towards the administrative costs and expenses of the Vancouver Athletic Commission and support staff involved;

F. THAT staff assess the requirement for expanded skill sets amongst Vancouver Athletic Commission members in accordance with their expanded responsibilities for regulation of Mixed Martial Arts on a pilot basis; AND

G. THAT the Director of Legal Services be instructed to bring forward for Council approval any necessary amendments to the Vancouver Athletic Commission By-law No. 2875 to reflect the direction of Council in respect of Council’s determinations pursuant to the foregoing.

The report is clear - MMA should be regulated in Vancouver, it's less dangerous than boxing and other impact sports, it has unified standardized rules that most athletic commissions follow (The NJ/NV unified rules of MMA), there's been no record of crowd violence anywhere that MMA is regulated, and the financial benefit to the city will be between 800k and $4m for a single event at GM Place.

In fact, there's really no way anyone can read this document and come away justifying a stance that MMA shouldn't be regulated. It's clear - anything bad associated with the sport comes when you DON'T regulate.

That said, two councillors remain opposed to the regulation of MMA locally: COPE councillors David Cadman and Ellen Woodsworth.

Cadman will not factor into the vote, however, as he's disappeared off to Copenhagen, where his clear expertise on all things environmental will surely help world leaders come to agreement on climate change. Added bonus for him: He won't have to face the hordes of MMA fans, industry people, trainers and fighters who have had it up to here with his characterization of them as gang members and out-of-control drunks.

That leaves Woodsworth more or less isolated.

Geoff Meggs is no MMA fan, but he's a Vision man and Mayor Gregor Robertson is in the bag for local MMA, according to what I'm told by city employees and MMA industry insiders, so Meggs will go along with the crowd. NPA councillor Suzanne Anton was the first one on the bandwagon, so her vote is assured. Ditto Vision's Heather Deal and Kerry Jang, both of whom attended and enjoyed the Honour Combat Championships event at the Edgewater Casino on Nov. 27.


As for Woodsworth, I'm told she's feverishly working behind the scenes trying to find medical experts to back her thoughts that MMA is horrifically dangerous and will result in long term injuries of fighters. Unfortunately for Woodsworth, there's simply no evidence to point out anything of the sort. The best she'll be able to do on that front is put forth the "evidence isn't yet in" defense, but since MMA is only 15 years old in its current form, the only way to get such evidence is to allow the sport to happen and watch it closely.

City staff are recommending that MMA be regulated on a temporary basis for the next two years. That would allow the UFC to put on an event at GM Place in June 2010 as planned, and would likely see a host of local promotions on a near-monthly basis. Promoters from across the Rockies, most specifically Maximum Fighting Championships man about town Mark Pavelich, will almost definitely battle the locals for prime venue space from the outset, and locals are looking hard at alternate venues in expectation of that coming battle.

West Coast Promotions, the team that normally puts boxing events on at the River Rock Casino, has hired local MMA expert Paul Lazenby to organize future amateur MMA events in Richmond, if the local boxing commission can be jawboned into approving such things, while the North Vancouver-based North American Championship promotion is gearing up for a return to professional events, with the local council already having given MMA the nod out there.

As reported Thursday on The Sun website, Victoria is going through a review of its own stance on MMA, and having talked to the head of the department responsible, I'm fairly certain the Vancouver staff report will make that review far easier to complete. Promotions in Nanaimo, Prince George, Colwood, Penticton and Vernon continue to surge in popularity.

More choice bits from the city report:

On injury risk:

Injury rates in MMA competitions have been examined in several studies. The most extensive of these is a 2008 study published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine that examined injuries to fighters in sanctioned bouts in Nevada State between 2002 and 2007. That study concluded that injury rates in regulated professional MMA competitions are similar to rates in other combat sports and that the overall risk of critical sports-related injury appears low. The report notes that a majority of MMA sanctioned bouts end via decision or submission (surrender of one fighter). This is thought to help explain the lower incidence of knockouts in MMA compared to boxing [Bledsoe et al, 2005]. A comparison of injury rates in MMA and boxing is shown in Table 1.

Table 1: Injury Statistics MMA vs. Boxing

Injury Statistics: MMA compared to Boxing

Overall injuries per 100 fight exposures: MMA 23.6, boxing 17.1 to 25

Concussion rate per 100 fight exposures: MMA 1.65, boxing 5.6

% fight ends in knockouts: MMA 3.3%, boxing 11.3%

Source: Injury Trends in Sanctioned Mixed Martial Arts Competition: A Five-Year Review 2002-2007, British Journal of Sports Medicine

On crowd violence:

The Vancouver Police Department note that there have been no significant policing issues to date when MMA events are run professionally and a security plan with policing recommendations is in place. However, if there is no regulatory framework in place, the Police Department would be concerned that the increasing popularity of MMA may result in some promoters holding contests underground where no controlling force would be in place to monitor these events.

[...]

Staff from the City of Montreal report that the UFC event that took place at the Montreal Bell Center in April 2009 did not pose any significant problems (violence, criminal activity, etc.). The Police support that was offered for the event was the same as for any event being held at the same venue (concert, hockey game, etc.) and consisted of 8 police officers, assigned to close the streets around the Bell Center, control traffic and ensure the safety of all the spectators exiting the Center. Police also focussed on ticket scalpers prior to the game.

Police from the City of Calgary report few issues with MMA events there. Their “King of the Cage” contests draw crowds of approximately 1000 people and 1 sergeant and 6 constables are assigned to each of these events. According to the police, there are fewer police-related incidents at these events than at concerts. When MMA events started, there was a noticeable presence of some known gang members, but the continued police presence has all but removed them.

On financial impact:

For a large event at GM Place, the total incremental spending in Metro Vancouver is likely to be around $1.5 million (range of $0.8M to $4.7M depending on out-of-town visits and overnight stays). The UFC is planning to stage an event in Vancouver in 2010 subject to Council approval of MMA. It is likely that other smaller events will take place in Vancouver, generating further economic benefits.

CONCLUSION

Examining the experience of other jurisdictions and studies with respect to MMA, it is evident that there are both risks and benefits to allowing this combat sport in Vancouver. It is a sport that has grown tremendously in popularity in North America, and one that has the potential to bring economic benefits to Vancouver. A number of jurisdictions in Canada have allowed MMA and have experienced few problems with crowd and security issues. Based on this review, staff recommend that Council authorize the Vancouver Athletic Commission to sanction mixed martial arts events on a pilot basis for two years with a report back on the experience with this sport. In order to mitigate risk of injury to fighters and crowd control issues, staff are also recommending changes be made to the Commission’s regulations with respect to combat sports. Staff are recommending that the required skill sets of the Vancouver Athletic Commission be reviewed quickly to ensure the Commission is able to meet its current and future mandates, including MMA.

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^ It's true pretty much a done deal. I worked with a couple of people behind the scenes so they can pitch it and make a case to council. At the end of the day what surprised us is how very little the politicians knew about MMA. That was both enlightening and disheartening at the same time. Who knows how much they dismiss without giving it a proper chance. At the end of the day with the city budget the way it is don't be surprised if we get two MMA events next year
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UFC will be coming. Council voted 6 to 3 in favour. Hard work paid off!
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UFC will be coming. Council voted 6 to 3 in favour. Hard work paid off!
That is awesome to hear

Anyone here thinking of going? I'm gonna try and get first row lower bowl tickets
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UFC is coming ...officially!

http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=304974

Summer 2010 !!!!!
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Wow! That was fast. I guess UFC really wanted to host an event in Vancouver. If I'm in the city at that time, I'll definitely go.
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For those intersted the rumoured main event for the UFC Vancouver bout is Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortize, souce: http://vancitybuzz.blogspot.com/2010...ain-event.html
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Wow! That was fast. I guess UFC really wanted to host an event in Vancouver. If I'm in the city at that time, I'll definitely go.
I heard it is a way better experience seeing it on an HDTV than actually going in person, unless you are seated really close. I guess that goes for many sporting events.
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I'll reserve judgement until I see the rest of the card, but that would be one of the worst main events the UFC has promoted in quite some time....It's crappy timing because it's too soon for GSP, and too late for Machida/Hua and Rashad/Rampage.
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