ATLANTA | Construction Thread V

[R Emerson]

Originally Posted by echinatl

They shut off the water and the peachtree and pines shelter again, this time they owe $170,000:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...ter_water.html

And again, it's back on. The battle continues on.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by scania

Why is it SO necessary that Midtown is epicenter of high end hospitality. In my opinion, a lot of people on this forum has this fetish with wanting Midtown to have all of the best things Atlanta has to offer. I think when it comes to the high end hotels, retail stores, and condos, since Buckhead has already established itsself as a landmark for luxury for the city, we should embrace it and make it the best it can be in that market. Also, how in the HELL would The Mandarin Oriental signify that Midtown would be over Buckhead in high end hospitality. I assume you must have forgot about The St. Regis, Intercontinental, The Mansion, Ritz Carlton, and others in Buckhead, and possibly a new Waldorf Astoria.

Why do you feel the need to be so condescending with your posts? We all know you have a huge hard-on for Buckhead, but Midtown basically blows it out of the water in practically every category.

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

Why do you feel the need to be so condescending with your posts? We all know you have a huge hard-on for Buckhead, but Midtown basically blows it out of the water in practically every category.

i was gonna say something last night, but seriously i've gotta high five you for this response. LOL. midtown's got the obvious edge on location, being gridded, taller scrapers, having an olmstead park and most importantly is basically a continuation of the cbd. buckhead is basically a suburban edge city - it wasn't even part of atlanta until 50 years ago.

honey...vinegar.

[briantech]

Midtown's a hell of a lot more walkable and urban than buckhead, thats all.

[Ronnie2780]

ARC: Population to hit 8.3 million by 2040

Population and job growth will decline over the next 30 years, but forecasters at the Atlanta Regional Commission (ARC) expect 3 million more people and 1.6 million more jobs in metro Atlanta by 2040.

According an ARC population and job forecast published Wednesday, metro Atlanta added an average of 120,023 people each year in the 1990s. So far this decade, the region has seen average annual growth of 121,000 people, making it the second-fastest growing metro area in the country, behind only Dallas.

While growth is expected to slow somewhat in the coming years, ARC predicts metro Atlanta will add almost 100,000 people each year from 2010 to 2020, about 92,000 each year between 2020 to 2030 and some 88,000 annually from 2030 to 2040. By 2040, the region will have about 8.3 million.

"The Atlanta region has been one of the fastest growing areas in the United States for decades," said Mike Alexander, ARC Research Division chief, in a statement. "And while the kind of growth experienced in the past can't be maintained forever, metro Atlanta will continue to outpace most other parts of the country."

Despite an average loss of nearly 10,000 jobs each year from 2000 to 2010, ARC projects strong job growth in the region between now and 2040. ARC estimates that the region will add nearly 60,500 jobs each year from 2010 to 2020, more than 53,000 annually from 2020 to 2030 and almost 64,000 each year from 2030 to 2040. In total, by 2040 the region will have 4.5 million jobs.

Future job growth should be in high-paying sectors such as health care, professional, scientific and technical areas, ARC said.

"Employment growth won't skyrocket as it did in the 1990s, when the region added almost 86,000 jobs each year, but it will recover and metro Atlanta will again be a destination for job seekers," Alexander said.

[plorenc]

Originally Posted by Ronnie2780

ARC: Population to hit 8.3 million by 2040

Population and job growth will decline over the next 30 years, but forecasters at the Atlanta Regional Commission (ARC) expect 3 million more people and 1.6 million more jobs in metro Atlanta by 2040.

According an ARC population and job forecast published Wednesday, metro Atlanta added an average of 120,023 people each year in the 1990s. So far this decade, the region has seen average annual growth of 121,000 people, making it the second-fastest growing metro area in the country, behind only Dallas.

While growth is expected to slow somewhat in the coming years, ARC predicts metro Atlanta will add almost 100,000 people each year from 2010 to 2020, about 92,000 each year between 2020 to 2030 and some 88,000 annually from 2030 to 2040. By 2040, the region will have about 8.3 million.

"The Atlanta region has been one of the fastest growing areas in the United States for decades," said Mike Alexander, ARC Research Division chief, in a statement. "And while the kind of growth experienced in the past can't be maintained forever, metro Atlanta will continue to outpace most other parts of the country."

Despite an average loss of nearly 10,000 jobs each year from 2000 to 2010, ARC projects strong job growth in the region between now and 2040. ARC estimates that the region will add nearly 60,500 jobs each year from 2010 to 2020, more than 53,000 annually from 2020 to 2030 and almost 64,000 each year from 2030 to 2040. In total, by 2040 the region will have 4.5 million jobs.

Future job growth should be in high-paying sectors such as health care, professional, scientific and technical areas, ARC said.

"Employment growth won't skyrocket as it did in the 1990s, when the region added almost 86,000 jobs each year, but it will recover and metro Atlanta will again be a destination for job seekers," Alexander said.

The question is, then: Where is this growth going to occur?

[cybele]

Originally Posted by plorenc

The question is, then: Where is this growth going to occur?

Mostly in the suburbs, I assume, but there will also be some pretty good growth within the city proper.

[scania]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

Why do you feel the need to be so condescending with your posts? We all know you have a huge hard-on for Buckhead, but Midtown basically blows it out of the water in practically every category.

Dude, maybe you get hard-on for Midrown, don't forget that I live at Plaza Midtown, I also have the funds to basically live anywhere in the city. I choose to live midtown because it has overall a more urban appeal. At the same time, Buckhead IS more luxurious than Midtown and Downtown. I argue your point, because I replied to a post that specifically talked about high end hospitality. We can all have our opinions as far as what category a section of Atlanta wins, but it is a FACT that Buckhead is the leader of high end retail, high end hotels, and has the wealthiest zip codes in the city of Atlanta. I personally wouldn't want to live in Buckhead nor Downtown. I love overall the aspects of Midtown, but I'm no fool, I know that if I want the luxury goods, I.e. Prada, Gucci and others, I know I would have to go to Buckhead...plain and simple.

[oldpainless]

Originally Posted by plorenc

The question is, then: Where is this growth going to occur?

Either build up, OR build out. Or both. Which makes me wonder, what is the state going to do with all of the right-of-way acquired to build the Northern Arc? Sit on it in case it gets built in the future?

[sevensixtwo]

First off making predictions accurate to 1,000 jobs out to 2040 is like predicting the exact pollen count on a specific day next spring. It's capricious speculative blathering. My research suggests greater population/job growth trends than this report predicts. Notice how job growth is 60k, then 53k, then 64k? That is so absurd. How can they quantitatively predict a lull in job growth 10-20 after the current period of great economic uncertainty? Their statement of long term trending is baseless.

Originally Posted by plorenc

The question is, then: Where is this growth going to occur?

We can expect a lot of growth though. In the 2020-2040 window it sure wont be in the burbs though. Energy. Inefficient. No solution. Dont want to repeat myself too often.

[atl2phx]

Originally Posted by plorenc

The question is, then: Where is this growth going to occur?

it's no secret, the suburbs will continue to densify. gwinnett and fulton should break 1MM in 5-10 years followed by cobb and dekalb shortly thereafter.

as for atlanta, if the beltline turns dirt and actually has cheeks in seats along segments of the right of way, i really think there will be an explosion of population in the immediate areas, not just within the 1 mile wide path of the beltline, but in and around the immediate and surrounding areas. i think by 2030 we could see some really nice density along the beltline.

the peachtree corridor should continue to add residents and densify as well, however, i really think it would be nice to see the peachtree streetcar take root and bring transportation options (and sanity) along that route.

[sabino86]

Originally Posted by atl2phx

it's no secret, the suburbs will continue to densify. gwinnett and fulton should break 1MM in 5-10 years followed by cobb and dekalb shortly thereafter.

Fulton already broke 1 Million in the last Census estimate...

[atl2phx]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

We can expect a lot of growth though. In the 2020-2040 window it sure wont be in the burbs though. Energy. Inefficient. No solution. Dont want to repeat myself too often.

i hear ya, but i partly disagree. atlanta metro isn't likely to house 8MM people within the geographic confines of the the 4 or 5 counties that house most of the population and the city of atlanta certainly isn't.

you really have to look at the burbs as suburban and x-urban, as for the latter, i think they will become long term enclaves for the affluent attracting those who are willing to pay for the luxury of living 40+ miles out. the "farther you go out from the CBD is cheaper" model will transition to an issue of affordability increasingly pricing out the middle and lower classes in the x-urbs. examples are the forsyth, barrow, hall and cherokee counties of the metro.

no doubt, the suburbs will continue to densify. my guess is we'll see some level of regional transportation by 2030 that will give way to dozens of urban nodes in the suburbs, likely in the cumberland's, perimeters, hartsfield's, GM & ford plant's and many others. i think we'll also see atlanta's mainstay suburban counties like gwinnett and cobb become increasingly socially diverse and economically seperated as the wealthly, middle class and lower classes each create their own geographic identities with the suburbs.

another wildcard here is the impact of HSR. who knows where HSR will stop within 100 miles of atlanta and how much growth will impact those stopping points as they become communter cities to atlanta?

[atl2phx]

Originally Posted by sabino86

Fulton already broke 1 Million in the last Census estimate...

wow, thats amazing, an increase of 200K since 2000!

[atl2phx]

Originally Posted by oldpainless

Either build up, OR build out. Or both. Which makes me wonder, what is the state going to do with all of the right-of-way acquired to build the Northern Arc? Sit on it in case it gets built in the future?

good question. my hope is regional transportation becomes the top priority for the next governor's election. transportation has been politically neglected and overlooked for so long now and i'm not talking about making 85/75 and 285 fourty-eight lanes wide. i think the northern arc is needed, but the metro needs more options that are not auto dependant.

[plorenc]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

We can expect a lot of growth though. In the 2020-2040 window it sure wont be in the burbs though. Energy. Inefficient. No solution. Dont want to repeat myself too often.

Minor correction: growth may still be in the 'burbs, but it most definitely will not be Conventional Suburban Design. I adhere to the belief that cities of tomorrow will be polycentric, which means development will occur in the suburbs, but of an urbanist nature.

[micropundit]

Originally Posted by scania

Dude, maybe you get hard-on for Midrown, don't forget that I live at Plaza Midtown, I also have the funds to basically live anywhere in the city. I choose to live midtown because it has overall a more urban appeal. At the same time, Buckhead IS more luxurious than Midtown and Downtown. I argue your point, because I replied to a post that specifically talked about high end hospitality. We can all have our opinions as far as what category a section of Atlanta wins, but it is a FACT that Buckhead is the leader of high end retail, high end hotels, and has the wealthiest zip codes in the city of Atlanta. I personally wouldn't want to live in Buckhead nor Downtown. I love overall the aspects of Midtown, but I'm no fool, I know that if I want the luxury goods, I.e. Prada, Gucci and others, I know I would have to go to Buckhead...plain and simple.

Buckhead is today, Midtown is the future:today's luxury brands are there but the names of tomorrow like H&M will go to Midtown. But the question for Atlanta's future is not either or but both and more.

[scania]

Originally Posted by micropundit

Buckhead is today, Midtown is the future:today's luxury brands are there but the names of tomorrow like H&M will go to Midtown. But the question for Atlanta's future is not either or but both and more.

FYI...H&M IS NOT high end. I wish people would comprehend what I say. I was specifically talking about high end retail/hotels, etc. Mentioning H&H in the same context as H&M Is simply a joke. The point you are making about H&M isn't valid, if so Zara would have also gone 2 Midtown. Zara for those who don't know, is a more upscale version of H&M. Zara is still considered affordable, just not as discounted as a H&M.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by plorenc

Minor correction: growth may still be in the 'burbs, but it most definitely will not be Conventional Suburban Design. I adhere to the belief that cities of tomorrow will be polycentric, which means development will occur in the suburbs, but of an urbanist nature.

Yes, outlying centers could work for a while. In my doom and gloom view though, even that will be too costly. Right now we have fewer poor, desperate people crammed into dense urban neighborhoods. This is amenable to policing. As demographic inversion continues these traditional 'ghettos' will become gentrified and poor neighborhoods will migrate toward the burbs.

As the multiple crises evolve there will be more of these poor people, now spread out over a large, low density unpoliceable area. And when the crises reach the tipping point, we'll have wasteland suburbs with roaming bandit hordes. At this point the outlier cities will become easier targets for resource raids. So I think in the long run, most positive growth will occur in well fortified megacenters. I am not kidding. Cheap renewable energy will probably not be invented. Without an overabundance of cheap energy, the Earth cant provide food to 7+ billion people.

[tdawg]

I think that if the city of Atlanta is to continue it's recent population growth, something serious has got to be done about crime in the city. I felt less safe in Atlanta recently than I have in my 10 years in New York.