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Old Posted Mar 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
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Thank you Michael. The Hildreth carriage house was Margrethe Mather's studio? I am totally dense not to have made that connection before.

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Looking west on 4th Street from 4th Street barricade at Hope Street, 1937

Looking west down 4th Street from the 4th Street stub at Hope Street. The steep slope between Hope and Flower prevented 4th Street from going through. We are looking across Flower Street (out-of-frame at the bottom) to Figueroa (with the truck in the intersection) and to Fremont with the white Hotel Percivel at 1017 W. 4th Street. Down here, the little 'street' that runs to the right from 4th is the ever elusive Sack Alley which only runs from 4th Street to 3rd Street. The five story building which backs up to Sack Alley is the Imperial Apartments at 350 S. Figueroa. Frustratingly close to my most hoped for image. If the camera were to simply pan right 90 degrees, we would be looking directly at the Hlidreth carriage house at 715 W. 4th Street, the studio of Margrethe Mather. And in 1937, she might very well have been there on the day this shot was taken. It pleases me deeply to think she enjoyed this exact view, occasionally must have stood right here and looked down on Sack Alley. Similarly, if we were to look the other way, 90 degrees to the left, we would be looking at the Castle Tower Apartments, the repurposed Hershey Mansion.

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Did you know the 4th St cut was supposed to be a tunnel, but the estimates came in too high? See here.

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2015, 12:37 AM
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Thank you Michael. The Hildreth carriage house was Margrethe Mather's studio? I am totally dense not to have made that connection before.
Yes. She originally leased the carriage house in 1916-18 and maintained the lease until her death of complications from multiple sclerosis on Christmas day 1952. In the last years, she had been living in Glendale with George Lipton, a very good friend from the old days who cared for her, the carriage house having become little more than a place to store her belongings, personal and professional, her cameras and thousands of negatives. In a final indignity, albeit one about which she was thankfully unaware, transients had broken into the studio and burned many of her negatives to keep warm.

Looking west on 4th Street from 4th Street barricade at Hope Street, 1937

Looking west down 4th Street from the 4th Street stub at Hope Street. The steep slope between Hope and Flower prevented 4th Street from going through. We are looking across Flower Street (out-of-frame at the bottom) to Figueroa (with the truck in the intersection) and to Fremont with the white Hotel Percivel at 1017 W. 4th Street. Down here, the little 'street' that runs to the right from 4th is the ever elusive Sack Alley which only runs from 4th Street to 3rd Street. The five story building which backs up to Sack Alley is the Imperial Apartments at 350 S. Figueroa. Frustratingly close to my most hoped for image. If the camera were to simply pan right 90 degrees, we would be looking directly at the Hlidreth carriage house at 715 W. 4th Street, the studio of Margrethe Mather. And in 1937, she might very well have been there on the day this shot was taken. It pleases me deeply to think she enjoyed this exact view, occasionally must have stood right here and looked down on Sack Alley. Similarly, if we were to look the other way, 90 degrees to the left, we would be looking at the Castle Tower Apartments, the repurposed Hershey Mansion.

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Margrethe Mather, Edward Weston, 1914

Margrethe in Weston's Tropico studio in 1914. Easily my favorite early Los Angeles character. Orphaned at 10 years of age, made her way on wit and talent in the entirely male dominated early twentieth century. Here she brought the flowers from a nearby table to form a pleasing composition with the confident, almost challenging, uplifted chin and direct gaze. Inarguably a part-time prostitute, she was nevertheless an honorable and loyal friend and one of the first professional photographers to break with pictorialism and instruct Weston on his growth, although he would attempt to erase her sizable contributions in his self-styled 'Daybooks'.
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Perspective




(All of those printing shops near the Times Bldg. led to the nickname "Ink Alley." vvvvvvvvv )


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January 1906.



http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/1040/rec/36

Ripe for the taking?





1885 LA Times 1st and Broadway
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011941.jpg


1888 - First Street from Hill
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067351.jpg


1910 seek cover
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058988.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00093/00093007.jpg



1910 - Tragedy LA Times building destroyed
https://latimesphoto.files.wordpress...bombing970.jpg



Clean up
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011919.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011918.jpg



1912 Rebuilt
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011937.jpg


Ready to party









1914 - Thorpe and Times Bldgs.





1926
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011935.jpg


1925
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047858.jpg

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2015, 3:18 AM
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margrethe mather

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1910 - Tragedy LA Times building destroyed
https://latimesphoto.files.wordpress...bombing970.jpg
LAT goes down as the Hall of Records goes up. I still find the County Courthouse and the Hall of Records the oddest pairing ever. There was something decidedly unattractive about it. Way too close together, given the mismatched volumes, materials and styles. Once so splendid in isolation, I think the courthouse was really diminished by its newer neighbor.

I hope the LAT building had fun partying while she could, b/c the State of California Building was waiting in the wings, just itching to take her out. And now what have we got?

Mather and Weston, 1922. He done her wrong:

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Well, if that's you in 1954 (cool photo), I'd be the kid in the red shirt at center trying to pan in 1962. It's not me but I distinctly remember noticing the attendant's "slight 'o hand" as he placed a measured pinch of gold flakes into my pan while he was "helping" me and then deftly poured the remaining contents and gold into a glass vile as pictured.

My little bottle of gold is now up about and an ounce and and half of color after having made many multiple mining/camping trips up the San Gabriel river and sorted through tons of rock, sand and gravel. I figure it's worth has just about covered the Adventure Pass fees I paid. Maybe someday I'd like to have it melted down, refined and made into something. That would make more sense of it. ... but I enjoyed it.

I read-tell that the house of mystery was dissembled and relocated to Calico Ghost Town. I'm not sure if that's accurate but that was also one my stronger memories of Knotts. I've lived in L.A. since 1979, transplanted a long way around from Visalia CA and I've never re-visited Knott's because everything advertised about it leads me to believe that it's now something else entirely. It's all about the rides.
Have I been missing something? I always preferred Disneyland anyhow and I did and do enjoy the rides but more than anything else, I enjoyed the historical, literary and futuristic fantasy environment.
Look at you on that horse! It doesn't get any better than that for a city kid from our generation. IMO.

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You can actually ''pan for gold'' at Knott's. I searched around on the google memories machine and found these.
Is Bruce somewhere in this photo? I think so.

KBF Inc.
Here I am at Knott's... probably around 1954. How did I ever get up there? It might be Easter, as I'm wearing a suit.

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2015, 5:56 AM
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I grew up on West 58th Street near Broadway, from 1948 to when I left in 1966. I don't remember that gun shop, or that building, on the SE corner - a much older building, Broadway Slauson Furniture Company, stood on that site, which is now an empty lot. Also, the sidewalks there are not as wide as in the picture. On the NE corner is an apartment building which still stands, and Marty's Bar was on the NW corner, which is now an empty lot. You Noir fans would have loved Marty's; my late mom told me - when I was an adult - that there was gambling in the back. The lots are bare because the buildings were burned in the '65 or '92 riots.

The building pictured on the SW corner used to house a cake decorating supplies manufacturer/distributor. The 7 Street car, and later the 7 Bus used to stop in front. Paperboys - actually men - sold the Herald-Express and Mirror in the street to the Southbound commuters at evening rush hour. There also was a semaphore traffic signal at that corner in the early 'to mid 50s.

Someday I will post some pics.

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Martin's Guns, 5816 S. Broadway, Los Angeles CA


http://memoriastoica.tumblr.com/tagg...ngeles+history


I drove the google-mobile down Broadway to see what the gun shop looks like today.
Alas I couldn't find the gun shop, but while I was in the area I noticed this interesting building on the nw corner of S. Broadway and W. Slauson Ave.


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Had we seen this building on NLA?

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2015, 9:22 AM
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My best memory at Knotts was panning for Gold! I kept my little capsule of gold for years.
I also had a little horseshoe that the blacksmith at Knotts hammered my name into. B R U C E. (I loved that horseshoe!)
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Great maps! I loved Knott's as a kid, too. We went there lots more than Disneyland; because chicken dinner! (Just to be contrary, I remember ordering the hamburger more often than not.)

I kept my little plastic bottle of gold dust, too, but I couldn't find it when I went searching for it tonight. Maybe it's in my safety deposit box at the bank? Anyway, I did find a bunch of other things I got at Knott's over the years, including a little gold nugget (center, with a steel penny for scale).

Here's my loot from the Knott's rock shop: crystals of sulphur, amethyst, galena and ruby zinc (the latter three still in their original Knott's boxes). Also, in front, a tourmaline crystal, an Elrathia kingii trilobite, a meteorite, and a tektite.



Back to the gold nugget, my mother was absolutely horrified when she found out I had spent $5 for that piece of gold. Gold was only $35 an ounce at the time, so to her, the price Knott's charged for this thing the size of a kid's little finger-nail that weighed only a few grains was "highway robbery!" $5 then is almost $30 now, so my guess is that my gold investment from 45 years ago is maybe finally at the break-even point. (Maybe.) Whatever, I'll never sell it. The memories associated with it are worth far more than its monetary value. ^^
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Great memories (and a nice collection of loot) Scott.
I've been searching for my vile of gold dust as well. lol. (I think it's at my Mom's house)
I kept water in mine, and the gold floated around.



Here's an earlier post about Jim Jeffries barn, which was moved from the valley to Knott's Berry Farm.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4847

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No more gold....

What...there's no more ''panning for gold'' at Knott's? That's an outrage.

Knott's in 1960.

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Unknown intersection in El Monte CA. (Los Angeles County)


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"Precise Instrument Parts Company, Los Angeles"


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No address was given, but you can clearly see the street number (4522).



detail




And an interior view.


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This one was labeled, "North Mission Road."


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When I saw this view of Hollenbeck Park



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this came to mind.


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International Bank Building/Bank of Italy Building

Would someone pls give me a hand with this? I've been volunteering with Yuri over at USCDL, trying to get some of their descriptions sorted out. The date and location are wrong on this one (although the moving of Spring St from the east to the west side of the International Bank Building would confuse just about anybody).

I can see the bollard-like thing at the base of the courthouse steps at lower right and the United States Hotel on the right margin. The front building of the Temple block is to the left of the bank building. It's the building to the left of that I don't have a name for. It shows up in many photos but I cannot recall it ever having been identified by name.

Thx.


(detail) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/2097/rec/12

uscdl description:
"Bank of Italy Building at the junction of Temple Street, Main Street and Spring Street looking east, Los Angeles, 1926

Photograph of the Bank of Italy Building at the junction of Temple Street, Main Street and Spring Street looking east, Los Angeles, 1926. The nine-story building, sporting molded archways over some of its upper windows, towers to the right of a street in which streetcar tracks can be seen. People stand on the sidewalk both on the corner in front of the Bank of Italy and across the street from it, towards the foreground of the photograph. A horse-drawn carriage rides between these sidewalks. In the distance, in front of a three-story building with gothic architecture, a streetcar can be seen running perpendicular to the main road. Pedestrians fill the street, both on foot and on bicycles."
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Sunday Afternoon....

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When I saw this view of Hollenbeck Park

this came to mind.
LOL, very funny, I enjoyed that
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Unknown intersection in El Monte CA. (Los Angeles County)


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Knowing that Pep Boys is still in business, I Googled them to see if they were still in El Monte. I got an address of 11937 E Valley Boulevard, El Monte, which is near the insection with Garvey Avenue. Although things have changed a little, I'd say we have a match.


GSV

Here's a 1980 aerial view of the intersection. I'm guessing that e_r's picture is earlier than that, but this is considerably clearer than the '60s and '70s images, and the buildings don't change much.


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Excellent Hoss.


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Any idea what this sign is? It looks interesting.

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The upcoming exit in this 1970s amateur snapshot is Highland Ave. and Hollywood Bowl.


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Would someone pls give me a hand with this? I've been volunteering with Yuri over at USCDL, trying to get some of their descriptions sorted out. The date and location are wrong on this one (although the moving of Spring St from the east to the west side of the International Bank Building would confuse just about anybody).

I can see the bollard-like thing at the base of the courthouse steps at lower right and the United States Hotel on the right margin. The front building of the Temple block is to the left of the bank building. It's the building to the left of that I don't have a name for. It shows up in many photos but I cannot recall it ever having been identified by name.


(detail) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/2097/rec/12
Looking at the 1921 Baist map (below), I'd say that it's the Lanfranco Building.


http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/...ys/California/

The 1926 and 1927 CDs still list the Lanfranco Building at 218 N Main Street. The 1926 CD has the San Diego Hotel at 222½ N Main Street, although this has become 222 N Main Street by 1927. Interestingly, the 1927 CD also lists the Bank of Italy (International Branch) at 220 N Main Street.
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Uncanny similarities........

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this came to mind.


http://www.artble.com/artists/george...a_grande_jatte

Fantastic comparison Etherial Reality. That painting was done in 1886. Here is a reference about it.


http://www.artble.com/artists/george...a_grande_jatte
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