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Old Posted Sep 10, 2013, 2:42 AM
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Here are a couple more photos I found of the Bimini Baths and Rainbow Gardens/Palomar Ballroom.


Below: The Rainbow Gardens would eventually become the Palomar Ballroom.


usc archive


Below: Palomar Ballroom.




Obviously the same place.

I'm guessing it was originally the Rainbow Gardens by the early make of automobiles and the rainbow shape on the sign that carries over to the Palomar days. Does anyone know for sure?



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I did find some answers at this web site.

www.iajrc.org/archive/palomar.htm

The article is written by Floyd Levin.
He was actually at the Palomar Ballroom on the night of the fire Oct. 2, 1939.







But can you remember it when it opened as El "Patio Ballroom?" Probably didn't keep that name very long.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UKC2EQP9QU.jpg


More tidbits here: http://www.100megspopup.com/ark/PalomarBlrm.html

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vp19/...635432_600.jpg

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vp19/...9_original.jpg


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Old Posted Sep 10, 2013, 4:08 AM
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the mansion used in sunset boulevard, (as well as rebel without a cause), was the old William Jenkins residence located at 3810 wilshire boulevard at crenshaw.

the house and the garage are visible on the left side of this 1934 photograph


USC Digital Archives

in this 1930 aerial, the house is located at the center bottom of the photograph


USC Digital Archive

the house was demolished by J. Paul Getty in 1957 to make way for his Getty Oil headquarters. Now it is the glumly nondescript Harbor Building.
all interior scenes from the movie were actually filmed on location inside the house. The swimming pool was built for this movie, and was in fact a non-working swimming pool, as it was not equipped with any filtration system.





Circa 1930 - Wilshire and Western Things get interesting late in the day without electronic traffic controls.






Try here if viewing difficulties: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../16485/rec/506



Before the Wiltern





Wiltern grows up.

Cant see, look here:http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../17222/rec/515





Time for a dip. The Gaylord in the backrground.

Cant see, look here:http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../11001/rec/497







Cant see, look here:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/5665/rec/468












Can't recall seeing this 1940 aerial of Mid-Wilshire. Further east or from a different altitude Landmarks, Bullocks Wilshire and the Sheraton Townhouse are easy to spot. If only the architecture could have been frozen as-is. Best resolution I could find.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G9VCLB3VT9.jpg


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Old Posted Sep 10, 2013, 4:30 AM
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I realize that we've seen numerous images of the famous Temple Block here on noirish Los Angeles.

This photograph, that I found on ebay in June, features large awnings that I don't recall seeing before (I could be wrong).
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Here's er's photo again; it looks like there's something in the street inside the red square:


Here's a closer look at the same area from another photo:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3936/rec/224

Was this a fountain? It reminds me a little of Lotta's Fountain in San Francisco.
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In 1969, Paul Mazursky (in his first effort) directed the hit movie Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice. As a reward, he was allowed to choose his next project, which (inexplicably) turned out
to be Alex in Wonderland, starring Donald Sutherland and Ellen Burstyn. To his credit, I suppose, his career continued on after this movie.

Anyway, one Sunday morning, he took his crew out to Hollywood Blvd. to film this scene:


Los Angeles Times

Forty two years later, the area looks pretty much the same:


Google Street View

The Supply Sergeant is still going, but the House of Magic has turned into a tatoo shop, the Cinema bookstore now sells cell phones, and the Ritz Theater (the New View back then)
is a church.


Google Street View







Gosh Supply Sergeant, you did so much with the place!




Hollywood Supply Sergeant sign is a Hollywood icon. But the store facade before the Sergeant made camp at 6664 Hollywood Blvd was far different. If it's a question of camouflage to avoid detection, the Sarge has succeeded.


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5069/5...d6c96d27_z.jpg


http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarkin...70ba9f66cc.jpg



Early '30s(?) C. H. Baker Shoes
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JU4YJAU9V9.jpg

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Pampas and Palms are both nice, but I prefer something around which I can get my arms. Palms. Wild, woolly, crew cut, shag or mullet.
Down to here. Down to there. Tall as I can grow it . . . palms. (ragni/rado/galt/cowsills)


1920s - Finley Avenue from Vermont (Los Feliz)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...U2GVT6KGF2.jpg



Plaza Olivera Street - undated
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008441.jpg




Undated - Vermont Ave. in Griffith Park
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics23/00031288.jpg


Undated, no address
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics30/00064898.jpg




Normandie to Griffith Park (Full of fronds to fall on Fords)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068385.jpg


1938 North Bedford, Hills of Beverly (?)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00099/00099059.jpg


1960 - Somewhere on Westmoreland "Street." (Did Goldilocks like garbage cans?)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics04/00001907.jpg



October '29 - Westmoreland "Avenue" and 10th Street. Magnifico.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068449.jpg
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Was this a fountain? It reminds me a little of Lotta's Fountain in San Francisco.


It's the Newmark Fountain.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=449
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I've been trying to match the angle with Google Earth, using the reference point of where the roof of the Hall of Justice intersects with the left edge of the City Hall tower.

I think this view is from Mount Lookout, an area that was wiped out by the construction of Dodger Stadium...I think your best bet for recreating the angle is going to be that upper level parking lot, straight out from the front of the stadium. That's the upper red square marker. You could also try the edge of the lower parking area, that looks down onto Lilac Terrace. I marked a second possibility towards the bottom of the pic - there's an empty hillside above Chavez Ravine Place, next to the Kaiser Mental Health Center. I think that anything else with a similar line of sight is going to be too low, blocked by buildings or hillside.
ProphetM, thanks very much for your reply. I'm going out of town this evening but will be back next month and will attempt to re-create this great nighttime shop. Much appreciated!
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Thanks JS! Harris Newmark mentions the fountain's installation -- but not its demise -- in his Sixty Years in Southern California 1853-1913:

"In the spring of 1882, my attention had been called to the public need of proper facilities for obtaining a drink of good water; and no one else having moved in the matter, the following communication was sent, during the heated summer, to the City authorities:

Los Angeles,
August 25, 1882.

To the Honorable,
The Council of Los Angeles City:

Gentlemen:—

The undersigned hereby tender to the city a drinking fountain, as per the accompanying cut, to be placed on that portion of Temple Block fronting the junction of Main and Spring streets, for the free use of the public, and subject to the approval of your honorable body.

Respectfully,
H. Newmark & Co.

About the same time Stephen H. Mott, Secretary of the Los Angeles City Water Company, promised enough drinking water, free of charge, to supply the fountain.

The unpretentious gift having been accepted, the fountain was installed. The design included an iron pedestal and column, surmounted by a female figure of attractive proportions; while below, the water issued from the mouth of a lion's head. Though but seven feet in height and not to be compared with more ambitious designs seen here later, the fountain may have given some incentive to city service and adornment."

From -- http://www.gutenberg.org/files/42680...h.htm#Page_534
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Radio Tour 1922



"America's First Radio Tour" was a 1922 promotional trek to expose the rural West to the possibilities of RADIO. The tour began in Detroit and finished in Los Angeles, however the participants were particularly impressed with Nevada and spent three days in Austin, Nevada. The "radio equipped" Rickenbacker is shown above.

The car above is photographed in front of the Los Angeles Orphan's Home in Boyle Heights. This was when radio was a big deal.


http://www.radioblvd.com/nevradiohist.htm
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Los Angeles Beer Wagon


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A sign on the Los Angeles Brewery proclaims Eastside to be 'the perfect brew.' The driver uses his broom to dust off the horses.
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Circa 1930 - Wilshire and Western Things get interesting late in the day without electronic traffic controls.
Try here if viewing difficulties: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../16485/rec/506
Before the Wiltern





Wiltern grows up.

Cant see? look here:http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../17222/rec/515














Looking west on Wilshire, the Professional Building says "Welcome to the Neighborhood."

Workers below, look like they could do for some "Eastside" and a good broom dust off. Giddy up!






http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../17222/rec/515









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190_?
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If this is looking northwards from Sixth and Main in about 1900, shouldn't we see the Pershing building on the SE corner of Fifth and Main? That is, unless that actually is it slightly to the right of center near the bottom of the frame. Even allowing for that, though, wasn't South Main a lot more developed, in 1900, than appears to be the case here?
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1935: An appropriately stylish delivery truck for Bullock's. It might, however, have been a case of style over function. I can understand there being no door for frequent ins-and-outs in sunny L.A., but the small opening looks mighty uncomfortable for getting in and out quickly. Managing not to fall out of the seat on turns must also have been tricky, not to mention seeing out of the low windshield. A commenter to the thread on which I found this picture had this interesting note: "I read somewhere that, during the Depression, Bullock's had their drivers drive empty delivery vans around Los Angeles to give the illusion of robust sales and successful operations, when in reality, business was terrible."
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Another mystery photo?


Circa 1890. Source identifies this only as a building in Santa Monica.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...T1FKTMS7FD.jpg


Is an 1890 Santa Monica directory available? Dr. Bates? Pharmacist, W.T. B/S/illits?


Could the battlement/parapet designs be a clue?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...untonRook2.jpg

The building sure does look familiar, as if it still exists and I've seen it IRL. Santa Monica does still boast quite a few pre-WWI structures in the business district, though very few as old as this building would have to be. I'm thinking Third Street, nowadays half-obscured by awnings and a trendy shop of some sort on the first floor.
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The building sure does look familiar, as if it still exists and I've seen it IRL. Santa Monica does still boast quite a few pre-WWI structures in the business district, though very few as old as this building would have to be. I'm thinking Third Street, nowadays half-obscured by awnings and a trendy shop of some sort on the first floor.
From what I've been able to find in Google searches, there is only one commercial building in Santa Monica that dates to before the 1890s, and that is the 1875 Rapp Saloon on 2nd St. There is a church building and a couple of houses from the 1880s, but every other building still standing apparently dates from after this 1890 photo, so it would seem this building no longer exists.

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If this is looking northwards from Sixth and Main in about 1900, shouldn't we see the Pershing building on the SE corner of Fifth and Main? That is, unless that actually is it slightly to the right of center near the bottom of the frame. Even allowing for that, though, wasn't South Main a lot more developed, in 1900, than appears to be the case here?
Here's the photo again:


I'm going to stick my neck out and say this photo dates to 1882-1886. We're not only missing the Pershing Hotel/Charnock Block (1889) at Main & 5th, we're also missing the Hotel Alcazar (1888) on the NE corner of Main & Winston and the Hotel Westminster (1887) on the NE corner Main & 4th.

I'm pretty sure that the red circle marks the steeple of the First Presbyterian Church at 2nd and Fort/Broadway, the cornerstone for which was laid in February 1882 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=2). And there's no City Hall (1888) tower just south of the church yet, either (http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...neties-la.html).

The cross-street in the foreground is definitely 5th. The three houses in the lower left corner of the photo correspond to those marked on the 1888 Sanborn Map below (in the photo, the building on the east side of Main with the covered sidewalk is at the SE corner of Main and Winston):

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Here's the photo again:


I'm going to stick my neck out and say this photo dates to 1882-1886. We're not only missing the Pershing Hotel/Charnock Block (1889) at Main & 5th, we're also missing the Hotel Alcazar (1888) on the NE corner of Main & Winston and the Hotel Westminster (1887) on the NE corner Main & 4th.

I'm pretty sure that the red circle marks the steeple of the First Presbyterian Church at 2nd and Fort/Broadway, the cornerstone for which was laid in February 1882 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=2). And there's no City Hall (1888) tower just south of the church yet, either (http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...neties-la.html).

The cross-street in the foreground is definitely 5th. The three houses in the lower left corner of the photo correspond to those marked on the 1888 Sanborn Map below (in the photo, the building on the east side of Main with the covered sidewalk is at the SE corner of Main and Winston):

LAPL








Your reasoning makes sense, but could the date be as late as 1889 or sometime in the 90's? I had my doubts, as suggested by "?" Hellman's 1876-home was replaced by his Bank in '04 or '05, providing an outside limit. The chronology of most of these photos bears some scrutiny. The Westminster Hotel, across from the Hellman Home was recently covered here: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=15797


I W Hellman residence built in '76 at 5th and Main
~1877
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2366/3...d702c937_b.jpg



1887, Hellman's abode. Corner of Main and Fourth. From Roof of Westminster Hotel probably focusing on Fourth.

Can't see it? Go here: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3453/rec/526










Circa 1889 (Look at second pic) Northerly view of Main Street from Fourth.

For those who can't view: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/1448/rec/587





http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...Y64L778N2A.jpg


Circa 1895
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...M58PVCB4GV.jpg




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1904 - "Some" of the IW Hellman Home being prepared for transport to location near Figueroa and 18th Street. (Brother, HW Hellman had a home at 4th and Spring - that also gave way for commercial use.)

Can't see it? Go here: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/6026/rec/69









1900 Looking North on Main from 4th
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...U8EC718NIF.jpg






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Doesn't this look totally inviting?

The entrance to Hollywood Memorial Park (now Hollywood Forever Cemetery), circa 1940

Edit: I decided to delete the photo, as I did not get permission to use the photo. I don't wanna risk this wonderful thread being closed or deleted.
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VERMONT SQUARE tract


Los Angeles Herald 1909

Chronicling America

Hmmm...Vermont Avenue isn't included in the Vermont Square tract. What gives?*

*I just realized there was an earlier Vermont Avenue Square tract. (as opposed to the later Vermont Square tract)

Now I am confused.
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