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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 2:24 AM
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Pershing Drive used to go to Main Street

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A zoomable version of the picture above is available at the USC Digital Library. They describe it as "Death Curve" on Coast Road at north city limits of El Segundo, from center line of Main Street south of Collingwood Avenue, El Segundo, looking north, Los Angeles County, 1928. I see they put a sign over the road saying "Come Again" - maybe the curve wasn't that deadly .

The earliest image at Historic Aerials is 1953. I've arrowed what I think must be the curve in question. The street it connects with is Main Street.


Historic Aerials

By 1972 the runways have grown, but the original road is still there.


Historic Aerials

You can still see where the old curve was in this 1980 image, but the surface seems to have been dug up. The upper part of the old road looks like it was incorporated into a perimeter road for the airport.


Historic Aerials

The Historic Aerials images from the 2000s look pretty similar to the current Google Maps image below. An extra taxiway has been added between the runways, and the road at the western end has now been re-routed. I've arrowed the short straight section which appears to be the only part that still follows the path of the original road.


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When I lived in El Segundo, 1963-1973, Main Street used to continue North and curve to the left onto what was Pershing Drive. I used that all the time as a short cut to the 405 N at Culver City instead of taking Sepulveda through the LAX area. When they expanded the runways, they got rid of all the curvy parts of Pershing Drive that went to Main Street. Now it just goes straight and terminates at Imperial Hwy closer to the beach.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 4:37 AM
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What Flattened the Top of Mt. Lee (of Hollywood Sign Fame)?

Like me, maybe you've wondered why the top of Mt. Lee is so flat?

This article from KCET explains that Mack Sennett almost built a mansion there...

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...sign-fame.html


Before / after grading:

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 4:02 PM
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I didn't want to believe it when GW posted the demolition photograph. What a huge loss, this building was so beautiful.
-by the way, your photograph is amazing DistrictDirt.
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Agree, great photo. On the left side, above the lighted entryway, it looks like you can even see two people peering out the window. You mentioned it happened in the middle of the night; do you remember the time you took the photograph?
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 8:59 PM
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Like me, maybe you've wondered why the top of Mt. Lee is so flat?

This article from KCET explains that Mack Sennett almost built a mansion there...

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...sign-fame.html


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That's an interesting read....thanks for the link David.

I never knew about Mack Sennett's plan to build atop what is now known as Mount Lee.



The article also mentions Mack Sennett's Bathing Beauties posing on steam shovels and various other equipment.
These amusing photos were posted on NLA in the first year of the thread (unable to find them at the moment)

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By coincidence, I came across this photograph of 'Mt. Hollywood' on ebay yesterday. Is this correct...is it Mt. Hollywood (aka Mt. Lee)?
The seller dates it 1900, but to me there appears to have been some grading done already.


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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 9:16 PM
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I never knew about Mack Sennett's plan to build atop what is now known as Mount Lee.

That's about the size of my guest villa in Tuscany.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 9:39 PM
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Here's a wonderful looking cafe that we haven't seen yet on noirish Los Angeles.


ebay


reverse (it was stuck in an album, but you can still make out some of the details)

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 9:43 PM
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Actually there were two negatives. (I turned them into positives 4you)




ebay

above: I'm curious about the tall stand-alone smokestack on the left.



below: notice the workmen putting in windows on the right.


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Like me, maybe you've wondered why the top of Mt. Lee is so flat?

This article from KCET explains that Mack Sennett almost built a mansion there...

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...sign-fame.html


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Early PR for the glamorous Los Angeles lifestyle: Live broadcast by the pool in 1939 at the Don Lee studios. The pool was on top of Mt. Lee. That's the TV studio in the background [left]. (courtesy of Steve Dichter)


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ebay

above: I'm curious about the tall stand-alone smokestack on the left.
I can't tell you what it was, but I can tell where it was. Here's a better view taken from the Lankershim building in 1917. When I first saw this angle I thought the smokestack was on top of the Pacific Telephone Company Building at 716 S Olive, but that didn't fit with e_r's picture. Then I realized that there just happens to be a small structure on the roof that looks like it's the base of the smokestack across the street.


USC Digital Library

It's hard to see, but the smokestack was still there in 1972. I can't see it on the 1980 image.


Historic Aerials

The Baist maps don't show the smokestack, but they do show the Hotel Gilpin between it and Olive. The space between the smokestack and Grand is labeled "Bouton's Sub". Between 1914 and 1921, the Coulter Dry Goods Store appeared on the corner of 7th and Olive - would this have needed a slightly detached smokestack?

Speaking of the Pacific Telephone Company Building at 716 S Olive, BifRayRock posted this picture last year.

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I found the reference below in 'An Arch Guidebook to Los Angeles by Robert Winter'.


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By coincidence, I came across this photograph of 'Mt. Hollywood' on ebay yesterday. Is this correct...is it Mt. Hollywood (aka Mt. Lee)?
The seller dates it 1900, but to me there appears to have been some grading done already.


ebay
Just to clarify: Mount Lee and Mount Hollywood are two separate peaks (labeled 'A' and 'B' respectively on the aerial below. The interesting KCET article posted by David is about the grading of Mount Hollywoodland, which became Mount Lee. The comments below the article seem to suggest that Mount Hollywoodland was never an official designation. Nathan Masters, the author of the article, writes the following reply: "The USGS might have never recognized the name, but I did find several references to 'Mount Hollywoodland' (which is confusing, considering its proximity to Mount Hollywood)." Mary Mallory, author of a book called 'Hollywoodland', suggests "it's just two writers calling it that since it was in Hollywoodland."


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I never knew about Mack Sennett's plan to build atop what is now known as Mount Lee.



The article also mentions Mack Sennett's Bathing Beauties posing on steam shovels and various other equipment.
These amusing photos were posted on NLA in the first year of the thread (unable to find them at the moment)
These ladies are described as 'starlets' rather than 'bathing beauties', but I think they must be the ones you're remembering.

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below: Two starlets helping to publicize the Hollywoodland Real Estate venture (notice the Hollywoodland sign)


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Does anyone recognize these two steam-shovel nymphs?
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Just to clarify: Mount Lee and Mount Hollywood are two separate peaks (labeled 'A' and 'B' respectively on the aerial below. The interesting KCET article posted by David is about the grading of Mount Hollywoodland, which became Mount Lee. The comments below the article seem to suggest that Mount Hollywoodland was never an official designation. Nathan Masters, the author of the article, writes the following reply: "The USGS might have never recognized the name, but I did find several references to 'Mount Hollywoodland' (which is confusing, considering its proximity to Mount Hollywood)." Mary Mallory, author of a book called 'Hollywoodland', suggests "it's just two writers calling it that since it was in Hollywoodland."


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Colored blue is the pool on Mt. Lee...still there in 1948. To the right is the Don Lee TV studio...now gone and replaced by a new building.

Historic Aerials

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Old Posted Jul 27, 2014, 3:31 AM
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Mystery mounts.

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Just to clarify: Mount Lee and Mount Hollywood are two separate peaks (labeled 'A' and 'B' respectively on the aerial below. The interesting KCET article posted by David is about the grading of Mount Hollywoodland, which became Mount Lee. The comments below the article seem to suggest that Mount Hollywoodland was never an official designation. Nathan Masters, the author of the article, writes the following reply: "The USGS might have never recognized the name, but I did find several references to 'Mount Hollywoodland' (which is confusing, considering its proximity to Mount Hollywood)." Mary Mallory, author of a book called 'Hollywoodland', suggests "it's just two writers calling it that since it was in Hollywoodland."


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Hoss: Why was your ''B'' location called ''Mt. Hollywood''? The Hollywood sign has always been on Mt. Lee. As you know, the "LAND" part of the sign was removed in later years. I suppose a few writers were being ''creative''?

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I haven't found a definitive answer, although Harvey H Wilcox filed a deed naming "Hollywood, California" in 1887, some 36 years before the "Hollywoodland" sign was erected, so the name "Hollywood" would have already been in common usage by 1923. I guess the sign was put up in the most prominent location above the new real estate development. From what I've read, Mount Lee was an "unnamed peak" (Wikipedia) until the transmitter was built. To add to the confusion, the book 'Hollywood, 1940-2008' by Marc Wanamaker has the following misleading caption.


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Some further reading on Mount Hollywood:

Small Mountain, Big Dreams

A History Of Griffith Observatory
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LAT Sept 20, 1925



LAT Dec 27, 1925/Apr 11, 1926

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LAT Sept 20, 1925


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007567.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011571.jpg


Cue the shovel nymphs. And, action!
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011573.jpg

1924
Western Construction
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007576.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011577.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011558.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011565.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011553.jpg


??? Dana Point and Hollywoodland?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007573.jpg



http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007120.jpg


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And the confusion continues. . . . . .

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Built in 1923 by Harry Chandler as billboard for his Hollywoodland real estate development, the Hollywood Sign located on the top of Mount Lee was declared Los Angeles Historic-Cultural Monument #111 in 1973. http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=5083978
1937 - "Panoramic view of Mount Lee and the Hollywoodland sign from the peak of Mount Hollywood."
http://jpg1.la
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In 1923 Harry Chandler's real estate development Hollywoodland was loosely bounded by Mullholand to the west, Hollyridge Drive to the east and Belden Drive to the south. The Hollywood Sign located on the top of Mount Lee was declared Los Angeles Historic-Cultural Monument #111 in 1973.

The Hollywoodland sign can barely be seen on the left side of Mount Lee in this view taken on a Hollywoodland hike. http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=5092980
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098990.jpg


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Aerial photograph capturing the Hollywood Hills, Mt. Lee, and the Hollywood Sign; various homes are seen throughout the image.
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http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102565.jpg
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2014, 5:09 PM
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That's a terrific view of the 'mystery' smokestack HossC. Now I am even more intrigued.
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a group of snapshots/1905 and 1906.

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Have you ever had the urge to wear your apron on your head? -well here's your chance.


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What might be the purpose of the triangle shape?
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2014, 5:43 PM
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I can't help with the Oleander Arms, but here's an aerial from 1948 which shows the Dustin Farnum/Farnham house on the southeast corner of the intersection.


Historic Aerials

The house had already gone by 1952, but that aerial image is pretty blurry. This 1972 aerial shows the same replacement building(s).


Historic Aerials
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20398

I haven't found any photos of the Oleander Arms apartment building, in front of the pool in the aerials I would imagine, nor any articles about the building being relocated in 1983 or so...but I found this screen capture, from A Star is Born, of the Oleander Arms.

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