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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 1:05 AM
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One has to love how water, gas and oil keep rising to the surface in LA, no matter how much we pretend otherwise. Sacatela Creek can still cause havoc at Wilshire and Mariposa.

BTW, the last well of the Los Angeles City Oil Field is supposed to be still pumping somewhere on two-block-long S Mountain View Ave, but I'll be darned if I find it.
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 1:38 AM
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Thx, this one's a beaut. Flower at 7th looking south with the Barker Bros Bldg on the right. The older building on the near left is great, much better than the Broadway (now Macy's) Plaza's blank wall we have now (there were many 19th century bits throughout DTLA right through the 70's. Mostly gone now.) The little two-story, frame house beyond Barker Bros. looks very brave but doomed. The Ritz Hotel is still with us, but not much else. Bit of a wasteland now of empty lots and parking structures.

The base of Barker Bros (Curlett & Beelman, 1925) is so similar to the Roosevelt Building (Curlett & Beelman, 1926), diagonally across the intersection, that I got turned around for a moment.
The wooden structure on the rt was the block long Martz Flats - a favorite with lux retail - razed to be replaced by current Macys/Sheraton mall --
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One has to love how water, gas and oil keep rising to the surface in LA, no matter how much we pretend otherwise. Sacatela Creek can still cause havoc at Wilshire and Mariposa.

BTW, the last well of the Los Angeles City Oil Field is supposed to be still pumping somewhere on two-block-long S Mountain View Ave, but I'll be darned if I find it.
Mountain View Ave. just north of Miramar St. - that looks suspiciously like a tan-colored pumpjack next to the tanks in the center of this pic from Google Maps:



Here's another angle via Bing Maps, with the object in question circled:



A gate blocks visibility on Google Street View, but the little bit sticking up above the gate sure looks like the top of a pumpjack:

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:01 AM
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The wooden structure on the left was the block long Martz Flats - a favorite with lux retail - razed to be replaced by current Macys/Sheraton mall --
Just corrected - location of Martz Flats on left side of image--- Whew!
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:04 AM
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The wooden structure on the left was the block long Martz Flats - a favorite with lux retail - razed to be replaced by current Macys/Sheraton mall --
Thanks so much, I knew it was something familiar based on the pretty foliate banding detail under the eaves, but failed to put two and two together. And like I said, the 19th century has all but been erased from DTLA.

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:15 AM
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Los Angeles City Oil Field: the Last Well.

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A gate blocks visibility on Google Street View, but the little bit sticking up above the gate sure looks like the top of a pumpjack:

Thx :-) I saw the tanks, but missed the pump jack. Mystery solved.

Another field come and (almost) gone.


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Years ago a pumper/tank trunk used to regularly empty a pool of accumulated oil though a manhole on the Miracle Mile, the remains of the old Salt Lake Field, the one that caused the Fairfax Ross to explode in '85. Is that still going on?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:39 AM
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Thanks for this image and your recent color finds!

The manicured outdoor space is interesting. The landscaped configuration struck me as being a memorial. I thought it would be depicted on period maps, but it seems to have been omitted (due to strategic significance?) or I haven't found the right map - yet.

This 1940 aerial shows a dark rectangular image that appears to be the same 200 block of La Brea. Whatever it was, this image suggests lots of foliage.
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Another 1940 Aerial
From this vantage, I can make out the arched windows in the 271 La Brea building. Flowerland - yes, lots of foliage.


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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:42 AM
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Sacatela Creek & John Marshall High

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A view from below... (Sacatela Creek has long been covered over)


http://bigorangelandmarks.blogspot.c...re-bridge.html


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Blimey e_r, I wouldn't live in the Sacatela Creek bed no matter how much they paid me. I don't care how many old Red Cars were dumped in it.

It's fun to see JMHS pre-landscaping. It became a favorite filming location after the lushness grew in.

The homes shown in this shot are still there:

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 2:57 AM
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[Wilshire Bowl] nightclub located at 5665 wilshire boulevard


Source: LAPL

The location of the nightclub is the North East Corner of Wilshire and masselin, the future site of van de kamps wilshire coffee shop


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1939 - Masselin and Wilshire



. . . same image as above with a closer view of the south side and Coulter's beautiful facade. Was it faced in travertine?

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 3:01 AM
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Yes I do remember that fire.

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Yes, that's the 1000-well Los Angeles City Oil Field.
If anyone remembers the Fairfax Ross Dress-for-Less blast in 1985, then they know what can happen if one builds on old oil fields without precautions:

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I used to own a little apartment building back in '85. My five tenets put their rent checks in a mailbox in that gas fire area. I didn't get any of that mail for two or three months. Oh well....that was then.

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1939 - A companion image of Miracle Mile and Coulters.

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 3:09 AM
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1951 - Quite a view from the Wilshire May Co roof.
Company execs entertain international contingent of girl scouts.






Gilmore Baseball Stadium? (bottom right corner)



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One more Miracle Mile . . . for the road.

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2012, 3:39 AM
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By the way, what was the thing with Chop Suey back then?
It seems like every Chinese restaurant had a big neon Chop Suey sign.

One of those ubiquitous Chop Suey signs shadowing Angels Flight in the 1950s.


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Yet another Chop Suey sign in 'After Midnight with Boston Blackie'. (unknown Los Angeles street)


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Ah, the Shakespeare Bridge. I drove over that today, after I went here:

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---and started taking pictures...

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View down the stairs, called "Radio Walk."

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View of the Prospect Studios...

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Northeast corner of Franklin Ave. and Radio St., 1938. This house was built in 1936.

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The same house today. While I was taking pictures around this intersection with my back to this house, I heard a voice loudly say "You know, you could get the same pictures from Google." I turned around and saw a guy standing on the upper deck, and I told him "yeah, but they wouldn't be as clear." I thought, 'What an asshole.' I took a few more pictures and noticed out of the corner of my eye that he was still standing on the deck. He didn't go back inside the house until he saw me get into my car. Anyway, the address of this house is 3863 Franklin Avenue. It looks nicer in the older photo.

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I figured it was only about 3 or 4 miles away from the intersection of Radio and Franklin, so I drove to the house used in "Double Indemnity."

From "Double Indemnity"

The house today.

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Another still from "Double Indemnity."


An approximate view from today:

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Yet another "Double Indemnity" still:


The view is now obscured.

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Oil Field/Coulter's/Howards Flowerland/Radio Walk/Shakespeare Bridge

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Oh well....that was then.


Then and now. Some things in LA really are eternal. Building & Safety is a lot more vigilant these days though, according to wiki, thousands of LA buildings now have subsurface barriers, ventilation systems, methane detectors, and alarms.

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...a closer view of the south side and Coulter's beautiful facade. Was it faced in travertine?
I believe it was. The exterior, with its glass-block banding, was massively satisfying (pun intended), but I never really liked the interior. It was just a little too cool, restrained and cramped somehow. I was always much fonder of the main-floor volumes of the Miracle Mile May Co.

Main/rear entrance:

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I wonder if the grounds were aprt of a school or religious institution...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10736

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Ah, the Shakespeare Bridge. I drove over that today, after I went here:
View down the stairs, called "Radio Walk."


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Are Radio Walk and the Prospect Steps two different places? I'm getting confused again.

I do dislike the "security" fencing around so many homes. I don't even lock my door.

The Shakespeare Bridge showed well in Dead Again (1991)

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"Flowerland!" "The Garden Center of California." "A beautiful garden rendezvous." I misread the address as 251 (odd numbered) and assumed it occupied the west side of the street.

Thanks.
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Ah, the Shakespeare Bridge. I drove over that today, after I went here:

LAPL

---and started taking pictures...

Photo by me

View down the stairs, called "Radio Walk."

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Wonderful post sopas_ej! Thank you so much for sharing your photographs.
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I was especially impressed by the before and after photographs of 3863 Franklin Avenue.



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You were on a public street sopas_ej....no need to worry about the jerk on the balcony.
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Chop Suey

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By the way, what was the thing with Chop Suey back then? It seems like every Chinese restaurant had a big neon Chop Suey sign.
"During his travels in the United States, Liang Qichao, a Guangdong (Canton) native, wrote in 1903 that there existed in the United States a food item called chop suey which was popularly served by Chinese restaurateurs, but which local Chinese people did not eat.'
- quoted from wiki

There was an actual Chinese dish made of entrails with a similar name, but it is popularly assumed that the Chop Suey ("assorted pieces") we know was invented by Chinese immigrants in the US to appeal to American tastes (this is what I was always told anyway). Chinese restaurants therefore touted "Chop Suey" in their signage to attract Caucasian customers. This is apparently debatable. If one really wants to get into it, wiki has more.


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What picture of Uni? I can't make out what I'm looking at here, and now I'm all curious. Could you please fix your tags or hyperlinks as needed?

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