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Old Posted Jan 9, 2013, 10:37 PM
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Speaking of "White Spots," here's a restaurant I noticed listed on the aforementioned ailing latimemachines.

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The location above is, of course, given away by the Wilshire Specials....


5467 Wilshire (at Dunsmuir) still stands, though pretty much ruined by alterations:
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I just came across this original negative/photograph of a different 'White Spot' located at 5357 Wilshire Blvd. (address given by the ebay seller)






Why the 'New Club Royal' sign on the roof? Which is it?














the market-delicatessen on the side. I can't quite read the sign.....it's 'something' Bros.....ARA Bros...ABA Bros??
(the sign is visible in the first photo and second photo)








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Old Posted Jan 9, 2013, 11:25 PM
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I jumped the gun. There are two other 'White Spot' negatives as well.
Some of the signs are missing, and if I'm looking at it correctly, so is the Geo T. Cline Building.


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Old Posted Jan 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
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the market-delicatessen on the side. I can't quite read the sign.....it's 'something' Bros.....ARA Bros...ABA Bros??
(the sign is visible in the first photo and second photo)


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Love the new White Spot pictures, ER. It was the Ara Bros Market.., a cursory look doesn't turn up a New Club Royal, but maybe something will turn up.
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The White Spot

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I just came across this original negative/photograph of a different 'White Spot' located at 5357 Wilshire Blvd. (address given by the ebay seller)



Why the 'New Club Royal' sign on the roof? Which is it?


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Could that be a Stiles O. Clements building? It's beautiful. He was supposed to have built over 50 on Wilshire, but I don't have a list. It's reminding me of some of his Ralph's, the Westwood Playhouse, Adamson House and others of the late 20s era.

The New Club Royal sign may be an advertisement for a different venue at another location, but I can't make out the rest of the sign. (Or maybe it's on the second floor?)

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Old Posted Jan 9, 2013, 11:52 PM
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Could that be a Stiles O. Clements building? It's beautiful. He was supposed to have built over 50 on Wilshire, but I don't have a list. It's reminding me of some of his Ralph's, the Westwood Playhouse, Adamson House and others of the late 20s era.

The New Club Royal sign may be an advertisement for a different venue at another location, but I can't make out the rest of the sign. (Or maybe it's on the second floor?)
The awning out front has The New Club Royal painted on it.
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The awning out front has The New Club Royal painted on it.
Thx GB. Sharp eyes. I guess I got mesmerized by the building. (New Club Royal must have been upstairs or in the back then.)
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2013, 12:01 AM
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I'm glad you posted that Magnolia Park ad T2. It made me go back and reread this really good post by 3940dxer.


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I first saw this image a few weeks ago in the window of a dry cleaners in the Magnolia Park section of Burbank, then found it on the web.


Mike Laroque
http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2007-02-magnoliapark.gif

It's interesting to me for a number of reasons...

Most starling are the "proposed tunnels" to Hollywood. Not only could you duck under the Hills as a handy short cut to Hollywood, but you could come into town on Bronson, Western, or Vermont. (There are a number of fire and access roads on the Hollywood side, but only one on the Burbank side. it starts near Travel Town in Griffith Park and is closed to motor vehicles about a mile up.)

Having hiked the "straight over the hill" route, I can tell you that it's very steep and would would be a difficult route to Hollywood, with or without the mega-tunnels!

It's notable is that the tunnel route is an extension of Whitnall "Super" Highway. I had always wondered about this odd diaginal street, which is very broad, little used, and is basically a route for high voltage electric towers, with some park space below. (I had never seen the term "Super" used with it before.)

The western section of Hollywood way that intersects with Cahuenga is now called Barham of course, not Hollywood Way. I'd always wondered How Hollywood Way got it's name, since it dead ends at Olive, and does not go to Hollywood. I guess it did, before the Western section was named Barham.

Barham crosses the L.A. River (barely visible in the image) and then veers to the right at what is now Warner Brothers. However, Olive does not turn north, near Riverside, the alignment is much different.

I didn't know that Mack Sennett studio was off Magnolia, and not sure what "propsed Sterling Studios" was. Maybe this is what's now The Warner Brothers "Ranch" lot west of Hollywood Way?

The Burbank airport is about where "Proposed Victory Studios" is shown. But Hollywood Way actually bends northwest, about 2 blocks past Magnolia.

By the way, my little house in Burbank, built in the late 20's, is almost at the exact center of this map -- it's in the middle of the little triangular section, to the right of the word "Super".

I have no idea why it was called the "white spot".
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Looking west from Bunker Hill Avenue

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Looking west on Second to the Stanley at Flower, above, and the perpendicular view north on Flower toward the Stanley, below:

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An amazing photograph looking south on Hill Street from Fourth about 1906.


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Anyone know what the cylindrical 'drum' is at far right? Are they laying cable?
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The photo currently on ebay


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"White Spot"

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I'm afraid "White Spot" refers to exactly what many hoped Los Angeles would not become... ie., multiracial. Among the books about this is Popular Culture in the Age of White Flight by Eric Avila, and I think it's referred to in John Buntin's L.A. Noir.
Thx e_r and GW.

Apparently the White Spot chain of burger joints in Canada (the name inspired by the Wilshire eatery) has been accused of having a racially-motivated name. The owner claims not, he just thought it sounded "clean".

Segregation here was thrown into literal high relief when it rained a lot (before storm drains were installed and effective) when I was a kid. The low-lying areas flooded, leaving White "restricted" islands.

Also good:
Street Meeting: Multiethnic Neighborhoods in Early Twentieth-Century Los Angeles By Mark Wild
Making the San Fernando Valley: Rural Landscapes, Urban Development, and White Privilege By Laura R. Barraclough

Early twentieth century White attitudes were the perfect set-up for noir and corruption.

(GW my copy of Whitewashed Adobe still hasn't arrived, but thx in advance .)

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here is the J Line in front of the Ponet 1963


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I <<HEART>> maps........lol

USC played some of their football games at Fiesta Park in the early 1910s.

And something else on that map was nagging at me.....

Of course....the Ponet Square Apartments.

One of LA's deadliest residential fires, September, 1970.

19 fatalities.

http://lafire.com/famous_fires/1970-...tHotelFire.htm
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2013, 2:36 AM
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That's really cool unihikid. I knew nothing about the Ponet fire until earlier today (thanks to malumot and GW).
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San Jose de Buenos Ayres / Westwood Hills

I enjoyed learning about where 3940dxer lives, so I thought I might entertain myself, and you too I hope, by showing you where I live.

After often being too cold in Hermosa Beach where I grew up and too warm in Hollywood where I lived later, I finally found somewhere just right, Rancho San Jose de Buenos Ayres, just one square league in size, does have exceedingly "good air". It was granted to Jose Maximo Alanis in 1843 by Governor Micheltorena. Maximo sold it to Benjamin "Don Benito" Wilson in 1858 who used it for cattle grazing. Wilson, in turn, sold it to John Wolfskill in 1884 and it became the Wolfskill Ranch (not to be confused with the William Wolfskill Ranch on Alameda).

The little map below shows the Rancho, improved with a "Casa y Corral" in the 1840s (Maximo Atlantis described the house as "somewhat ruined " in 1851):

calisphere/usc http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/hb4q2nb276/

This map shows the rancho in relationship to the other ranchos and to the rest of Los Angeles:

www.over-the-moon.us

During the time Wolfskill owned the rancho, the Los Angeles and Pacific Railway (it started as the LA Ostrich Farm Railway), which had a 30'-wide right-of-way over the land, together with the Los Angeles and Santa Monica Land and Water Company, platted 800 lots for a town they called "Sunset" apparently without Wolfskill's permission. Wolfskill took the pair of them to court in 1891 and recovered his land (which he actually never used much). The narrow gauge Balloon Route tracks went in in 1895, upgraded in 1911 to regular gauge and run by Pacific Electric. There were originally three stops in what would become Westwood Hills: Buenos Ayres, High Bridge and Wolfskill (there actually was a railway bridge over Beverly Glen. It was removed in the 1990s).


http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps1130601-29555.html (larger, zoomable version)

Rancho San Jose de Buenos Ayres remained intact until John Wolfskill's death in 1913, the last of the ranchos to do so. In 1919 the Wolfskill heirs sold much of the rancho to Englishman Arthur Letts, of The Broadway and Bullock's fame. A huge $2 million investment. He planned to subdivide and develop the northern portion into estates, but died without being able to realize his vision. The view below, from about the time of the Letts purchase, shows the land with the Wolfskill ranch house center left (I'm unclear as to whether or not this is on the same site as the casa shown on the 1840s map), facing the P.E. tracks which run parallel with the site of the as-yet unbuilt Santa Monica Blvd. Several springs form streams which gather and pass under a bridge over Pico Blvd. at lower left. The line of trees, left of center, is Brown's Canyon Road (now Beverly Glen). An oil well is at lower right:


waterandpower.org

Harold Janss of Janss Investment Company, Arthur Letts son-in-law, was more interested in middle-class homes, as opposed to estates. He started with the southern part of the parcel, diverted the springs into underground pipes, filled in the streams and platted 1,000 home and business lots in a development he named Westwood Hills. "Janss Investment Company" was stamped repeatedly in the wet concrete of the sidewalks. It was known as a "country district". Many families bought three house lots, particularly south of the P.E. tracks, where they were cheaper, using the extra space to grow vegetables and raise chickens and rabbits. Some wealthier homeowners added a tennis court to one extra lot and a swimming pool to the other. Homes had fireplaces for heat and backyard incinerators for trash. With rising land prices after WWII, most of these extra lots were sold off for new houses. One can still notice the pattern in the ages of the homes.

The circa 1924 photo below (taken from a slightly different angle from the one above) shows the new development reaching from Wilshire on the north to Pico on the south and from Westwood Blvd on the west to Fox Hills Drive on the east, with a further small section running SW from Patricia and Pico. Model homes were built, the usual CC&R's were added, including, as well as the racial ones, the restriction of architecture styles to English, Spanish or Mediterranean, and lots offered for sale as early as 1922. Westwood Village, very large home lots and UCLA will be developed in 1928-29 north of Wilshire. UCLA chose the site, of the seventeen considered, because of the climate. It's an undeniable draw. It can be as much as 20 degrees cooler than Beverly Hills on very hot days, while the ocean fog rarely reaches us.

The large empty parcel, upper left, within the platted area is the Wolfskill ranch house, on the P.E. route, at the T-junction with Overland Ave, standing alone on twenty-five plus acres. The Harold Lloyd Motion Picture Company's Westwood studio ranch occupied this site a bit after this photo was taken. The northern portion was sold off to build the Saint Paul the Apostle RC church and school circa 1930 and Richard Neutra's Emerson Jr High School in 1938. Lloyd's declining fortunes caused him to sell the rest to the LDS church in 1937. The church finally built the LDS temple there in 1956.

The area immediately to the east of Fox Hills Drive, once Tom Mix' ranch, will become the the present home of 20th Century Fox Studios, stretching from Pico on the south, where it forms a T-junction with Motor Ave. to Santa Monica Blvd on the north. The northern half of the studio will become Century City in the early 1960s. The Los Angeles Country Club (which is also visible in the first photo), at its third home since 1911, is north of the future home of Fox Studios. Rancho Country Club, taking up the the lower quarter of the photo will become Rancho Park Recreation Center and Cheviot Hills Park, to the west of Motor Ave, and Hillcrest Country Club to the east. Beverly Hills and the Beverly Hills Oil Field are on the right margin:


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Harold Lloyd Motion Picture Company back lot, Overland and Santa Monica, ca 1928:

bison archives

Three men, presumably from Janss Investment, stand near the P.E. tracks as they point out the route of a "New 50 Foot Blvd" (Big and Little Santa Monica Blvds will run on both sides of, and parallel to, the tracks). The billboard is a Janss advertisement for Westwood, "Now Open". Big plans:

waterandpower.org

The P.E. Red Car stop at Santa Monica and Westwood Blvds, 1941, looking west:
(the Pontiac dealership on the left is now a Cost Plus)

ucla libary - digital collection


Olympic Blvd was the last street to be added to Westwood Hills. It was put through in the 1930s. Big and little Santa Monica Boulevards, the Red Cars long gone, were combined into one huge street in the 2000s.

The second home I owned in Westwood Hills (both houses were south of Santa Monica Blvd, one built in '24, the other in '27; I still live in an apartment here) was built on a slope overlooking one of the former streams, now a street. It used to flood above the curbs in heavy rains (and apparently, judging by the way the homes are sited, much higher in the years before storm drains were installed). One of our young neighbors used to surf the length of our long block during these rains. A memorable sight. The name of the street is Fairburn, Scots for "beautiful stream". The huge flood in 1993 (I think it was) completely overwhelmed the storm drains and turned the avenue into a raging torrent, flooding our garage. (My Jetta was filled with water to seat-level. When it dried out, it started right up, so I can't really complain.) Water and gravity really are one of the killer combinations as Angelenos are forever finding out.

2012:

google maps

The End. This went on much longer than I anticipated.

(I tried to get this right, but please correct any inaccuracies if you have the time or inclination. There's so much that went on in south SJdeBA, one (at least this one) can get confused, plus conflicting and/or erroneous data on the net trips one up. If anyone knows any more about Harold Lloyd's time here, pls let me know. Thx)

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The Crooked Way - 1949

A noirish screen grab with John Payne:


The Crooked Way, United Artists

Does anyone know this location?

Was that a country and western swing band at the Waldorf?

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Very interesting post tovanger2! Quite a history.

Hmmm...'The Crooked Way' 1949. I'm not familiar with it FredH. I'll have to look into it.
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Postcard of a residence on the 1800 block of Oxford Avenue.


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I believe I located the house.


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Another truncated chimney.


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Quite impressive neighbors.

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Luckily, a plethora of similar homes still exist in this area. (I've circled the 'postcard' home in red at lower middle left)



google aerial

for reference: The northern boundary is Venice Blvd. and the southern is Washington Blvd.
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below: A LARGER view of this opulent interior.


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A short bio on George E. Feagans circa 1913.


http://www.sfgenealogy.com/





The earlier jewelry firm of Brock & Feagans.


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Brock & Co. was a well-known L. A. jeweler that at one time had stores downtown and in Beverly Hills. According to what I found on Google, at one time Tiffany & Co. considered merging with them. Classic story, the parents got tired of running the store, leaving it to the kids, who weren't interested in keeping it up.
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Very interesting post tovanger2! Quite a history.



google aerial

for reference: The northern boundary is Venice Blvd. and the southern is Washington Blvd.
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have we discussed the entrance cement post on washington bl in this area? i think they have two,one at hobart and i cant think of the other,but they are in pretty bad shape.
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I enjoyed learning about where 3940dxer lives, so I thought I might entertain myself, and you too I hope, by showing you where I live.
I will take you up on this. Consider this a place marker.
I reside at Rancho La Cienega o Paso de la Tijera and I've got lots to share, much of which as already been shared here but there's more that can be revealed and tie in nicely to what most everybody already knows.
We should all do this. Everybody now who lives or has lived in SoCal lived on some Rancho or another. Research it. Share it. Adopted it even

http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...29_Page_3.html

See that two story adobe structure to the right? Here's how it looks now probably mostly after reconstructed in the '30s for the Sunset Golf Course Club House



http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...278&DMROTATE=0

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/24213/rec/1

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