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Old Posted: Oct 21, 2009, 2:03 PM
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Speaking of Drexel, someone over there or at penn should swing by market st b/t 33rd & 34th.

I walked by last night and saw their gym/athletic center expansion fronting the entire north side block... First time I've been by in about 3 or 4 months and wow, it sure has taken shape - you can really see how large the project is. Wish I'd had a camera to show everyone here.

May be a minor project in the shadow of past projects & years - but it seems to address what was an absolute dead walk along that stretch of market street. If I recall correctly, it will include some kind of retail or restaurant as well, very cool.
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It's hard to tell if you are just expressing the feelings of some neighbors or this is how you feel, but Philly has so many poor neighborhoods and Univ City was one of them. Is Philly supposed to just stop all development and neighborhood improvement so that all neighborhoods remain poor, or I mean, affordable? Why should Philly limit its nice neighborhoods to Center City, and parts of the Northwest and Northeast? Most cities, the successful ones at least, are mostly middle class with relatively equal pockets of wealthy and poor neighborhoods. This is what Philly should strive for.

What's more irritating is that many of these neighborhoods that are now gentrifying were once, not too long ago, nice neighborhoods. Univ City was one of them and Brewerytown was another. My family is from Strawberry Mansion but my grandfather would probably cry if he saw what it has become. Why was it okay for these neighborhoods to disintegrate back then but it's not okay to improve them now? So it's easy to feel bad for decades-long residents who are priced out but I have two questions: 1) What about the decades-long residents who lived in the neighborhood before them? Was the demographics of Univ City always the same since its creation? NO - it changed and continues to change. No that it is changing for the better, that is a bad thing? 2) And where were these "decades-long residents" when Univ City was riddled with crime, abandoned homes, and blight?

Neighborhoods are constantly in flux. But we should always be trying to improve our city. Yes some people are being priced out, but you know what? Those people are going to move and slowly start to improve the next neighborhood. Look at what happened to Old City. Yes it gentrified and people were forced to move out but look at the net effect - the people who got priced out of Old City moved to NoLibs and improved that area til they got priced out and had to move to Fishtown and now Fishtown's borders are being expanded into Kensington and Port Richmond too. Why is this a bad thing?

More than mega developments, NIT, "beautification" grants, etc. gentrification and the out-migration that forces people to move and improve new outlying neighborhoods is the single best way to improve our neighborhoods.
Obviously you do not read the thread where it clearly states that I am not in opposition but state that PENNs great expansion is not all its cracked up to be. Please learn to read in between the lines. By the way, my relatives lived in West Philly too in the 20s 30s, they weren't forced out, they left by choice "flight of the middle class", mostly since they were racist and didn't want to live in the low income neighborhoods anymore. I do not have the time nor is this thread to discuss the ongoing topic of eminant domain. But thanks for your random viewpoints on gentrification. Back to topic.

Native: I would consider south philly authentic compared to West and North Philly. Each has its own distinguishable qualities. You would know this if you spent time in each section of the city. South Philly has its own characteristics vs. other sections of the city. Maybe its clearer to you if I open up the range from the word neighborhood to "section". Does that work for you? A synonym which may be easier for comprehension could be genuine. There may be no more genuine west philadelphia of the past century in regards to families that have been uprooted.

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If I recall correctly, it will include some kind of retail or restaurant as well, very cool.
The restaurant will be on the first floor at the west end of the structure, just beyond the longish concrete wall.
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Obviously you do not read the thread where it clearly states that I am not in opposition but state that PENNs great expansion is not all its cracked up to be. Please learn to read in between the lines. By the way, my relatives lived in West Philly too in the 20s 30s, they weren't forced out, they left by choice "flight of the middle class", mostly since they were racist and didn't want to live in the low income neighborhoods anymore. I do not have the time nor is this thread to discuss the ongoing topic of eminant domain. But thanks for your random viewpoints on gentrification. Back to topic.

Native: I would consider south philly authentic compared to West and North Philly. Each has its own distinguishable qualities. You would know this if you spent time in each section of the city. South Philly has its own characteristics vs. other sections of the city. Maybe its clearer to you if I open up the range from the word neighborhood to "section". Does that work for you? A synonym which may be easier for comprehension could be genuine. There may be no more genuine west philadelphia of the past century in regards to families that have been uprooted.
Hey man - you have to learn to chill out around here. it's okay to disagree but do so with a little more grace and a little less snot. posts like that won't win you any friends on this thread; that's especially true for a newbie.
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Wow, that image really shows how much real estate is being wasted there. Too bad the tracks can't be reconfigured to give some land back to the city. Does septa use that area as a train yard or something?
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With its light-filled space, new med center is 'warm and welcoming'
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THE VAST LOBBY of Temple University's new $165 million School of Medicine is a warm, open space with a sprawling student-faculty lounge nestled inside an atrium filled with light that pours in from the all-glass facade that gives a view of Broad Street.

At the entrance is a soothing "glass water wall," called a "wubble wall" because of the two panels of undulating bubbles on either side of the waterfall.

Depending on the day, the waterfall could be cast in a hazy purple light, a cool misty green or any variety of colors.

The water wall has two purposes, said Dr. John M. Daly, dean of the medical school.

It's a beautiful and calming art creation, but it also serves "to separate what's going on inside here [in the relaxed atmosphere of the lounge] from all the hubbub" as people come and go through the med school's main doors.

"I like it, it's beautiful!" Alicia Worden, a fourth-year medical student, said of the building, which takes up the entire block of Broad Street between Tioga and Venango. "It's very welcoming and it has a ton of spaces where you can study."

Because Worden, 25, has finished her classes and spends most of her time in patient services at Temple University Hospital, she said, she comes to the medical school mainly to study in its spacious library: three light-filled floors connected by a spiral staircase.

"There are all sorts of quiet spaces to study in," she said.

The medical building - officially, Temple University's Medical Education and Research Building - is a state-of-the-art, 11-story, 249,000-square-foot building that opened to students in August.

Its official grand opening will be celebrated during three days of activities next Thursday to Saturday.

Daly, who graduated from Temple's Medical School in 1973, noted that it had been 40 years since Temple had constructed a medical building.

The Kresge Building, the old medical school, built in 1968, was the last new building, opening shortly before Daly arrived as a medical student in 1969.

The new building "is a dream come true," Daly said during a recent tour of the facility.

There are 16 flexible learning classrooms with walls that can expand to accommodate a large class or collapse for smaller, more-intimate "problem-solving classes," he said.

There is a robotic-simulation center, where students can practice doctoring and surgical skills with mannequins, simulations or actor-patients.

This feature, available in many med schools in recent years, allows students to learn clinical skills without the added stress of checking on a real patient in a roomful of worried relatives.

There are also state-of-the-art research labs with an "open bench" system so researchers can talk with one another rather than be closed off in smaller, separate rooms.

Kevin Murphy, a third-year medical student, said the new building "is good for Temple's future with the expanded research facilities."

Currently the eighth and ninth floors are "shell floors," left vacant for future expansion, Daly said. When they are completed, the total building cost will jump from $165 million to $180 million, he said.

Until now, most Philadelphians have been able only to watch as the building started to rise above Broad Street, directly across from the Shriners Hospitals for Children and Temple University Hospital's Boyer Pavilion.

The colossal building is made of glass and brick, its most striking feature a shimmering, all-glass, concave exterior facing Broad Street.

Inside the building, an oval-shaped tower of glass-walled conference rooms provides spectacular views of the city, from the Betsy Ross to the Ben Franklin and Walt Whitman bridges, as well as views of the Center City skyline.

Craig Spangler, a principal with Ballinger Inc., the Center City architectural and engineering firm that built the medical school, said that all-glass walls were chosen because "the university had a desire to show a new, progressive school that would be a very positive and welcoming structure."

"Dr. Daly talked about this becoming a beacon on Broad Street and having a way to show the life of the building inside," Spangler said.

This is a dramatic change from most of the older Temple Health Science buildings, which "are hermetical," or walled-off and closed to the public, the architect said.

The dean said that the openness of the glass exterior is intended to serve as a portal between the medical school and the wider world.

"The students can look out and see their neighbors in their daily interactions," Daly said. That will drive home the message that "it's all about the people. Medicine is all about helping people."

At the same time, he added, "We want the public to be able to look inside and see how future doctors are educated."

Spangler, the principal architect, said that the building's various geometric shapes - the curved glass facade; the brick "block" of the research wing and the oval glass tower of conference rooms at the southeast corner - "all act as a symphony of forms."

The building's design has another impact, too, Spangler said.

He said that he envisioned the soaring tower of the medical school on the west side of Broad, paired with the nine-story Shriners Hospital on the east side of Broad as forming "a gateway structure" for commuters driving south on Broad toward the city.

This "gateway" serves as a visual marker of entering the "realm of the Temple Health Sciences campus," and the broader city as well, he said.
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Wow, that image really shows how much real estate is being wasted there. Too bad the tracks can't be reconfigured to give some land back to the city. Does septa use that area as a train yard or something?
Yep, there's a SEPTA yard on the western side and an Amtrak yard on the eastern side. I would guess that the 30th St. coach yards take up a good 70 acres of space, but air rights are very expensive and Center City isn't yet at the point where exercising them is fiscally feasible (for that to happen the number of parking lots in CC and in the neighborhoods surrounding CC would have to drop to practically nil, due to the land just being too expensive to not put just another parking lot on it; not only that, but the Cira complex would have to perform as advertised and bring other development into the 30th St. area; it would have to be impossible to know that there are train tracks under the streets from Walnut north to Arch before building over the yards becomes a worthy project). Remember while looking at that picture that the Post Office too is built on air rights over the Northeast Corridor.
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hammersklavier, how exactly do air rights work? For example the hole between Walnut and Chesnut, south of the post office. Does Amtrak own that space? Is it basically for sale if you can afford to do the construction?

Speaking of holes... I'm still fairly new to Philly (2+ years) and have always been curious about the hole behind the Rodin Museum (21st and Hamilton). I hate to bring up a possible sore subject, but it's an odd place. There are some columns with the concrete forms just left there. Like they started to build and the financing just disappeared.

Finally, does anyone know Ed Snider? Seriously... this guy is an investor in both Philly Live! and Foxwoods. Can someone convince him to pull the strings to combine the projects. It'd be a better location for Foxwoods and then maybe they'd be able to expand the whole project to connect to the BSL station and make it more transit friendly. Sounds like a win all around.
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I emailed CDI, the demolition contractor. They said they are only taking the chimney off the base.
I'm going to have a sweet view, though.
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Speaking of holes... I'm still fairly new to Philly (2+ years) and have always been curious about the hole behind the Rodin Museum (21st and Hamilton). I hate to bring up a possible sore subject, but it's an odd place. There are some columns with the concrete forms just left there. Like they started to build and the financing just disappeared.
That's the portal to the old Pennsylvania Ave Subway. Not sure what was to be built there...maybe a deck for parking?

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I know that was the site of the proposed Residences at Rodin. I was quite new to the area at the time so I'm not sure exactly what happened to the project. There are still some neat rendering videos on youtube here.

As much as I think the Parkway area needs new density and development, I'm not actually that disappointed that it never happened. The design was just a load of Postmodernist crap that would've looked terrible with everything nearby, IMO.
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There should be a rendering of the Residences at Rodin in The Rundown. The original design was ho-hum but there was a listing I saw not too long ago with something a little better.



I'm actually not entirely sure why construction stopped but IIRC there was some type of legal issue that delayed construction.
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theWatusi, those pictures are perfect. In the first one, you see that far column on the right still has the concrete forms on it. All the orange construction fencing is still up. The last one has the scaffolding... It's just an eerie site, like one day construction workers showed up and were told to go home.

It's also a shame the proposal to use that subway right-of-way for a new extension wasn't green lighted. Fairmount park could use better access from center city.

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srr, that's interesting about the chimney and also surprising. You think there'd be some serious collateral damage when you just take down the chimney.
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thenbagis, SEPTA still owns the tunnel. The reason the City Branch route wasn't approved is because it was attached to SEPTA's P.I.T.S. Schuylkill Valley Metro project.
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Right, the SVM was a bloated proposal to begin with. I'm all for expanded transit lines in the city (including a line to the art museum) and I'm all for restoration of train service to Reading, but the SVM was not the way to do it.
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hammersklavier, how exactly do air rights work? For example the hole between Walnut and Chesnut, south of the post office. Does Amtrak own that space? Is it basically for sale if you can afford to do the construction?

Speaking of holes... I'm still fairly new to Philly (2+ years) and have always been curious about the hole behind the Rodin Museum (21st and Hamilton). I hate to bring up a possible sore subject, but it's an odd place. There are some columns with the concrete forms just left there. Like they started to build and the financing just disappeared.

Finally, does anyone know Ed Snider? Seriously... this guy is an investor in both Philly Live! and Foxwoods. Can someone convince him to pull the strings to combine the projects. It'd be a better location for Foxwoods and then maybe they'd be able to expand the whole project to connect to the BSL station and make it more transit friendly. Sounds like a win all around.
AFAIK the railroad outright owns or has land-use pacts, charters, etc. on the acreage which contains its ROW. So, so long as the railroad owns the land, it can lease or sell it for whatever it wants. Obviously it would be foolish to use the land for a purpose which impinges on the ROW (because of the transportation nature of the railroad) but the railroad can lease or sell any bit of the land which contains the ROW so long as the ROW itself is not impinged, and since this includes the bits above the ROW, we get...air rights.

Air rights are most widely used when a) the area the railroad passes through has such a high land-value that it makes no sense for the railroad to just sit on it (this is the case along Park Avenue, btw), or b) when the railroad is so bloody broke that it has to sell the air rights to try and make ends meet--this is the reason why the Sterling and Kennedy House were built. Some of the largest development plans in NY are on air rights, mainly because the land values are so insanely high. Philly's land values are a good deal lower, and that's why there are so few instances of exercising of air rights here; remember, it's nonsensical to invest the incredible amount of money necessary to build the type of building that stands on air rights, always high-rise because of the costs, if you can build the same building for less elsewhere in the central district. Which is why the high-rise sectors of Penn Center and Franklin Town need to be filled up before you see anything high-rise rising over the train tracks west of the Schuylkill. And even then, it's possible that concentration of development wouldn't even shift onto the air rights but rather down to Washington. The expense of the air rights is why the 30th St. neighborhood is so thoroughly hit-and-miss; remember, 30th Street from Walnut to Arch is actually two streets stacked one on top of another, as is Walnut itself west to the Penn ice skating rink.

Ed Snyder is a douche, btw. Foxwoods is fail, trying to nab the best spot in the city and being forced back to the waterfront, and the Philly Live! complex will likely not get built, although the Spectrum is sure to come down.
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It's also a shame the proposal to use that subway right-of-way for a new extension wasn't green lighted. Fairmount park could use better access from center city.

http://www.svmetro.com/projects/detail.php?id=4

Wow, that seriously needs to happen. I've heard of the tunnels that already exist over there, but didn't realize there used to be an actual proposal to use them. It's a shame, because all the great cultural attractions on the parkway could definitely benefit from the branch. I could see North Broad getting much more developed as well (especially if the Vine Street expressway were ever capped). I can't believe how little expansion happens to the subway here, since so many people use it and we have a very centralized downtown.
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Hey man - you have to learn to chill out around here. it's okay to disagree but do so with a little more grace and a little less snot. posts like that won't win you any friends on this thread; that's especially true for a newbie.
I really don't remember trying to get you to be my friend or having friends on a blog. And like I said, I was perfectly "chill" with what was written, you were the one who came outta left field field with the comments. But this isn't an argument thread as I have stated. So let this get deleted.
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Phila. competitiveness task force says wage and business tax cuts needed

Philadelphia Business Journal - by Bernard Dagenais Staff Writer

A task force is recommending lowering business and wage taxes in Philadelphia in a report to be submitted to Mayor Michael Nutter and Philadelphia’s City Council Friday.

The Mayor’s Task Force on Tax Policy and Economic Competitiveness recommended that the wage tax be lowered from 3.93 percent for residents and 3.5 percent for nonresidents who work in the city to 2.7 percent for residents and 2.4 percent for nonresidents by 2025.

The gross receipts portion of the business privilege tax would be eliminated and the net income portion would drop from 6.45 percent to 6 percent. The cuts wouldn’t start until fiscal year 2012.

It also calls for changing the structure of the net profits tax affecting partnerships so that it is assessed solely on sales. The net income portion of the business privilege tax and the NPT use a formula that relies 50 percent on sales, 25 percent on payroll and 25 percent on property. Critics of that formula say it encourages businesses to move employees and shift property ownership out of the city.

“Without action, Philadelphia can expect continuing job and population losses and an increasingly difficult struggle to raise the funds needed to provide essential government services,” the report said.

Economists contacted by the task force estimated that, without change, the city will lose anywhere from 5 percent to a fifth of its work force by 2030.

The real estate tax would be increased and government costs would have to be reduced to help make up the shortfall. Homeowners who live in their homes would be offered a tax exemption to help mitigate the impact of the tax increase. The group called for fair assessments of property values, with separate parties handling valuations and appeals.

The task force was led by PRWT Services President and CEO Harold Epps. It’s available at the task force’s Web site. The 17-member commission included Philadelphia Council AFL-CIO Vice President Janet Ryder, economist Robert Inman of the University of Pennsylvania, Center City District President and CEO Paul Levy, Montgomery McCracken partner Kathleen O’Brien and Enterprise Center President Della Clark.

“If our taxes remain high, if our people continue to live in poverty due to a lack of educational and employment opportunities, and if our government cannot afford to provide the high-quality services to residents then Philadelphia will continue on its path of decline,” the report stated.

The report cites an example of that decline. In 1999, the city Controller’s Office estimated the city’s employment would shrink to 780,100 by 2015, which would have been a 13.5 percent decline. Philadelphia had only 637,600 jobs by the end of 2008.

The task force estimates its plan will generate 70,000 jobs in Philadelphia by 2025 by countering job losses estimated at 47,000 and adding new ones, generating a net gain of 23,000 jobs.

It will now fall to the mayor and City Council to decide whether to take action on any of the task force’s recommendations.

Nutter, who pledged to lower business taxes during his 2007 campaign for mayor, suspended tax cuts last year as lower revenue created a budget shortfall.
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