Originally Posted by PHX31
Reguru, just across van buren on 2nd ave is the crescent ballroom. That place always seems busy.
The main reason to push for good design and mixed uses/retail is maybe not for the present, but the future. Imagine if the entire downtown was built like golub's development, office and parking garages. It would never ever have a chance to be interesting and lively (as you decry Phoenix isn't currently).
Btw, yesterday was Tuesday.
It would look like, well, what we have now! I agree, the reason for retail space is not for right now, but for the future. The more options there are for restaurants and bars, and when there are finally grocery stores and other essentials downtown, the more likely that the dark desolate scene will disappear.
Downtown is not going to be perfect over a couple of years, it will take time, that is why we must demand that the new things that are coming in are a step in the right direction. Personally, I don't even think that the Gollub proposal for 200 W Monroe is well designed. We need better looking buildings that facilitate urban interaction.