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Old Posted: Aug 15, 2012, 6:59 PM
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The tire shop on roosevelt and 7th street is fenced off, coming down soon.

The Asian church on that same corner is fenced off, perhaps it's coming down?
I hope not on both accounts, although it seems like a lost cause on Roosevelt. At least the church should stay, not sure there would be any reason to tear down a church. The church building itself has a couple early to mid-century features that make it interesting, and the attached school is cool. I was sad to see the Korean Church leave.

Has anyone ever noticed how Circle K (and gas stations in general) have completely cornered the market on our downtown intersections and entry points? Or maybe it's just cornering the market of I-10/I-17 off-ramps. There is a circle K at 7th Ave & McDowell, 7th Ave & Roosevelt, 7th St & Mcdowell (since became a chase bank, but there is one at 7th St & Thomas), 1st St and Fillmore, 7th St and Buckeye, and soon to be three gas stations at 7th St and Roosevelt. It's disgusting, but basically a symbol of how shittily our City has progressed to be nearly completely auto and sprawl-centric. Patterns of development, resident demand (i guess), and definitely our civic/zoning planners for the past few decades have made our bed to be as it is. The gas station on every corner thing is seriously annoying.

John, are there any signs on the fences around the old tire shop/new circle K?
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Old Posted: Aug 15, 2012, 7:02 PM
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agreed. As slow as this forum has been recently, it's quite annoying to read this crap they are arguing about.

The tire shop on roosevelt and 7th street is fenced off, coming down soon.

Miriam's Designer Clothes on 7th and osborn has a pending luquor license sign on it - I did a little research and it's a place called Gadzook's Enchiladas and Soups. They have another location in town, sounds fucking strange.

The Asian church on that same corner is fenced off, perhaps it's coming down?

Nordstrom Rack and the adjacent stores at Town and Country look about finished. Potbelly's is open.
Yup...about as annoying as any other crap people talk or argue about here that's off-topic, but I digress.
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Old Posted: Aug 15, 2012, 7:44 PM
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There is only one empty street-facing spot at the Corner on 7th and it claims to be for lease, so I was beginning to think that Vovomeena was not going to happen. It turns out that there are a couple of spaces that only face the interior courtyard, and Vovomeena has "coming soon" signs on one of them.
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Old Posted: Aug 15, 2012, 8:01 PM
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John, are there any signs on the fences around the old tire shop/new circle K?
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Old Posted: Aug 16, 2012, 4:52 AM
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I was talking to a clerk at the CVS at Central and McDowell and he told me they have a liquor license and at some point will be remodeling, and then likely expanding hours later. Good news for me, its so frustrating having them close at 8.

On another note, did anyone know there's a Hostel on 13th ave just North of McDowell? I came across it today for the first time, I'm a bit surprised Encanto Palmcroft residents would allow such a thing.
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Old Posted: Aug 16, 2012, 3:17 PM
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I was talking to a clerk at the CVS at Central and McDowell and he told me they have a liquor license and at some point will be remodeling, and then likely expanding hours later. Good news for me, its so frustrating having them close at 8.

On another note, did anyone know there's a Hostel on 13th ave just North of McDowell? I came across it today for the first time, I'm a bit surprised Encanto Palmcroft residents would allow such a thing.
It's called CamelBackpackers. I am a little surprised a hostel is there myself. But doesn't look like a bad place for younger travelers.
http://www.camelbackpackers.com/
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Old Posted: Aug 16, 2012, 4:13 PM
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There's also one on the corner of 9th st and Portland.
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Old Posted: Aug 17, 2012, 2:17 AM
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It's called CamelBackpackers. I am a little surprised a hostel is there myself. But doesn't look like a bad place for younger travelers.
http://www.camelbackpackers.com/
It's been open for a few months now. A few people in my neighborhood aren't happy about it. Aside from a few extra cars on the street I haven't noticed much of anything.
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Old Posted: Aug 20, 2012, 1:56 PM
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Got an email from my neighborhood with this survey about a downtown grocery store. I made sure to voice my opinion that we need a real grocery store and not another stupid "gourmet" store with hundreds of bottles of wine but no staples.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9TFR2F...m_medium=email
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Old Posted: Aug 20, 2012, 2:24 PM
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Anyone can make a survey monkey. That carries no weight or merit and should be stricken from the record.
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Old Posted: Aug 21, 2012, 2:55 AM
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Oh btw the sign for the new development on Roosevelt and 1st Ave will be having the dedicated right turn lane abandoned and part of that dirt triangle will be part of the development. Makes sense, that's a pretty tiny lot.

I really hope it happens, Roosevelt is getting so damned close. I really hope the City doesn't drop the ball on the Roosevelt road diet/pedestrian improvements, that'll make or break it.
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Old Posted: Aug 21, 2012, 3:13 AM
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Like something is actually going to happen there?
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Old Posted: Aug 21, 2012, 3:21 AM
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Oh btw the sign for the new development on Roosevelt and 1st Ave will be having the dedicated right turn lane abandoned and part of that dirt triangle will be part of the development. Makes sense, that's a pretty tiny lot.

I really hope it happens, Roosevelt is getting so damned close. I really hope the City doesn't drop the ball on the Roosevelt road diet/pedestrian improvements, that'll make or break it.
The lot south of the Episcopal church? That's a great location IMO. I used to live in Portland Place Apartments and loved the neighborhood. I wasn't aware of any plans for that lot. Do you have any details/links?
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Old Posted: Aug 21, 2012, 3:40 AM
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Like something is actually going to happen there?
It likely will, they have funding is my understanding. The Concord East ridge project and McKinley lofts started construction in a down economy, I think building rentals in Central Phx is a smart bet right now.

I'll post more info Wed. when I have time :-)
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Old Posted: Aug 21, 2012, 2:32 PM
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The old run-down Desert-Inn Motel at the NE corner of Van Buren and 10th Ave is being torn down right now. Are there re-development plans or will that just become another empty lot.
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Phoenix Police Chief Daniel Garcia urges careful downtown buildup

Police chief, group differ on Phoenix development plans

13 comments by Eugene Scott - Aug. 20, 2012 09:26 PM
The Republic | azcentral.com

When does a vibrant downtown become too vibrant?

Phoenix's new police chief has a unique perspective when it comes the city's efforts to amp up downtown.

Chief Daniel Garcia was an assistant police chief in Dallas before coming to Phoenix. In Texas, he saw firsthand the challenges between various stakeholders in the city's bustling downtown.


He warned economic-development officials here about the potential pitfalls in developing too many different things in one area.

"You've got to be cautious to what type of infrastructure you bring into an area," he said. "Sometimes nightclubs will bring in policing issues a downtown area isn't prepared for."

However, David Roderique, president and CEO of the Downtown Phoenix Partnership, believes mixing development in downtown is the way to go.

"The critical thing you have to look at is the holistic picture of a downtown community," he said. "Typically, you do not want to so segregate uses that you only have one particular use in one area. We don't want all office uses in the core. We obviously want entertainment, residential, hotels and other things going on because that makes a better, more vibrant, active downtown that works really well."

The partnership is a tax-funded non-profit composed of business members with offices downtown.

The Downtown Phoenix Partnership wants to bring in more middle-income housing and more social outlets like nightclubs to the area.

But Garcia said it might not be possible to be a downtown known for both nightclubs and solid housing.

"You have to define what you want to be," he said. "What I mean by that is that some downtowns have a flavor of becoming nothing but the nightlife scene. Some of them gravitate to being more family-oriented with eating and having family-friendly functions and venues in the downtown area. And then some gravitate to a very local low-key dining atmosphere."

Garcia said research from across the country has shown the conflicts that can arise between downtown residents and neighboring clubs built after the residents moved to the area.

The conflicts aren't always residents vs. clubs: Sometimes, they occur between clubs themselves -- or the patrons.

"You can have two different crowds attending two different clubs playing different types of music, generating conflicts between two different types of patrons," Garcia said.

Roderique said his team is sensitive to the potential conflicts that more development can bring and is working to prevent them from escalating.

"We just had a meeting where one downtown bar owner was concerned about some of the noise late at night coming from the nightclubs. We're trying to get people together to work towards reasonable solutions for both parties," he said. "There will likely be a number of additional meetings from this. Sometimes there aren't easy solutions, but we do try to find ways to work to make it as much of a win-win as much as possible for both sides."

Garcia said his concern is not rooted in anxiety. He said his force is more than able to handle the challenges a bustling downtown could present as long as they have the manpower.

"The police department is 100 percent in favor of any economic development, but sometimes those issues do pose some challenges from a policing standpoint," Garcia said. "When you have a club that closes at 2 a.m., we can expect the need to patrol those areas, and that can be an issue that demands resources."

Roderique echoed the need for more public-safety resources as the area develops.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...#ixzz24D2BIrtV
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Old Posted: Aug 22, 2012, 2:29 AM
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Wow the new Police Chief sounds a little bit crazy if thats the way he's thinking. There's no reason Downtown can't have a little of everything, in fact, it should. Its a square mile of area, to be a good urban area, a plot of land that size should have diversity. Jackson and Washington St can have night clubs. Roosevelt the arts. Streets like Portland, Fillmore, etc can have housing. Very silly and uneducated comments from him, sad.

Regarding the development on 1st Ave/Roosevelt, thats getting funding help from the Sustainable Communities Collaborative and is being developed by MetroWest. According to the SCC's Facebook page it'll be 'market rate housing with first floor retail', so that sounds promising.

EDIT: A little more on this from their Facebook page:

"Metrowest is currently working with potential retail/restaurant tenants for the ground floor of the project. Infrastructure improvements start in the Fall 2012 with construction to follow. Once infrastructure improvements are done, the vertical design and construction should be completed within fifteen to eighteen months."

So maybe April of 2014-ish we'll see this thing open if all goes well.

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Old Posted: Aug 22, 2012, 4:23 PM
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Totally agree, Hoover. His goals as a police chief are different than a city planner or downtown resident. He's looking at uses that bring the least police presence, but I would argue it's safer now with all the clubs, restaurants and sports venues than 20 years ago.
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Old Posted: Aug 22, 2012, 5:04 PM
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"Metrowest is currently working with potential retail/restaurant tenants for the ground floor of the project. Infrastructure improvements start in the Fall 2012 with construction to follow. Once infrastructure improvements are done, the vertical design and construction should be completed within fifteen to eighteen months."

So maybe April of 2014-ish we'll see this thing open if all goes well.
I read their Facebook page as well and am excited about the project, however I hope this doesn't turn into then getting the 1st Ave turn lane, incorporating it into the rest of the land, and then whoops...we can't finish the project but we now have a much more marketable piece of land.
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Phoenix Police Chief Daniel Garcia urges careful downtown buildup

Police chief, group differ on Phoenix development plans

13 comments by Eugene Scott - Aug. 20, 2012 09:26 PM
The Republic | azcentral.com

When does a vibrant downtown become too vibrant?

Phoenix's new police chief has a unique perspective when it comes the city's efforts to amp up downtown.

Chief Daniel Garcia was an assistant police chief in Dallas before coming to Phoenix. In Texas, he saw firsthand the challenges between various stakeholders in the city's bustling downtown.


He warned economic-development officials here about the potential pitfalls in developing too many different things in one area.

"You've got to be cautious to what type of infrastructure you bring into an area," he said. "Sometimes nightclubs will bring in policing issues a downtown area isn't prepared for."

However, David Roderique, president and CEO of the Downtown Phoenix Partnership, believes mixing development in downtown is the way to go.

"The critical thing you have to look at is the holistic picture of a downtown community," he said. "Typically, you do not want to so segregate uses that you only have one particular use in one area. We don't want all office uses in the core. We obviously want entertainment, residential, hotels and other things going on because that makes a better, more vibrant, active downtown that works really well."

The partnership is a tax-funded non-profit composed of business members with offices downtown.

The Downtown Phoenix Partnership wants to bring in more middle-income housing and more social outlets like nightclubs to the area.

But Garcia said it might not be possible to be a downtown known for both nightclubs and solid housing.

"You have to define what you want to be," he said. "What I mean by that is that some downtowns have a flavor of becoming nothing but the nightlife scene. Some of them gravitate to being more family-oriented with eating and having family-friendly functions and venues in the downtown area. And then some gravitate to a very local low-key dining atmosphere."

Garcia said research from across the country has shown the conflicts that can arise between downtown residents and neighboring clubs built after the residents moved to the area.

The conflicts aren't always residents vs. clubs: Sometimes, they occur between clubs themselves -- or the patrons.

"You can have two different crowds attending two different clubs playing different types of music, generating conflicts between two different types of patrons," Garcia said.

Roderique said his team is sensitive to the potential conflicts that more development can bring and is working to prevent them from escalating.

"We just had a meeting where one downtown bar owner was concerned about some of the noise late at night coming from the nightclubs. We're trying to get people together to work towards reasonable solutions for both parties," he said. "There will likely be a number of additional meetings from this. Sometimes there aren't easy solutions, but we do try to find ways to work to make it as much of a win-win as much as possible for both sides."

Garcia said his concern is not rooted in anxiety. He said his force is more than able to handle the challenges a bustling downtown could present as long as they have the manpower.

"The police department is 100 percent in favor of any economic development, but sometimes those issues do pose some challenges from a policing standpoint," Garcia said. "When you have a club that closes at 2 a.m., we can expect the need to patrol those areas, and that can be an issue that demands resources."

Roderique echoed the need for more public-safety resources as the area develops.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...#ixzz24D2BIrtV
This all sounds like a bunch of BS - perhaps this guy should be a police chief out in Sun City instead. . .
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