Originally Posted by Vicelord John
Which is why more and more you can make the argument that a college degree is becoming less and less important.
Yep, a college degree is the new high school degree. I also get the feeling that most college graduates know about as much as the average high school graduate knew in the 50s. Can't tell you the number of college grads I know right now with no job and no marketable schools.
"I wouldn't pay for ASU's education right now, but I would if it gets better. ASU will never be a Berkeley, UVA or Michigan but it become a UCLA or UT.
I guess I am a little more optimistic and think ASU law should expand because I think the demand will go up in a few years, especially when the bioscience industry takes off."
ASU may not be on the same level of UCLA and UT but to the extent that these schools place better than ASU, it is only because they are the best schools in large legal markets (SOCAL/Texas). However, with the way that SOCAL's legal market is in the shitter right now, you might be hard pressed to say that UCLA Law significantly outpaces ASU today, notwithstanding the difference in rankings.
I think that you are conflating undergrad quality with law school quality and the two are only somewhat related. For instance, NYU has an average-quality undergrad but the average senior at Harvard doesn't have the numbers to get into their law school.
Think of it like this
Elite and place nationwide:
Placement based on regional economy and how that school stacks up to competitors in the same market:
Schools ranked #15-100
Therefore, unless ASU rises up to #14 or sinks to #101 (the point at which employers seem to just ignore schools, assuming that those schools have been around long enough to get ranked i.e. not new schools like PSOL, which employers usually haven't made up their mind about), the prospects of its graduates will fluctuate significantly with the AZ legal market and slightly with its ranking (but only vis-a-vis U of A Law, its major competitor - and only if it either ranks ahead or behind U of A for a number of years will employers put even a 5% premium on grads of one school or another unless they are alums in which case they will always favor their school). ASU students know this (or learn it in their first year) which is why they would rather have the tuition break - not some shiny new campus/program.