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Old Posted: Aug 29, 2011, 11:25 PM
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22.5k will kill business and drive the TiCats to Ottawa or Halifax. No cheap seats.

If Bob Young wants to blamed for opening the market to an NFL team in Toronto, then he can do this. With the cheap seats going, many will turn their focus to Toronto teams and the Bills.
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Old Posted: Aug 30, 2011, 2:46 PM
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I suppose I should create a separate thread for the velodrome proposal?
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Old Posted: Aug 30, 2011, 2:53 PM
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I suppose I should create a separate thread for the velodrome proposal?
Maybe an idea. Although I posted the GIC details here accidentally (clicked the wrong Pan Am thread).
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Old Posted: Aug 30, 2011, 3:07 PM
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Ugh could we get this for our stadium???

http://www.archdaily.com/134030/in-p...er-architects/
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Old Posted: Aug 30, 2011, 5:05 PM
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it is exactly that's where our corporate seats need to be. Then maybe those guys will go like hey let's move our HQ here.

I would design the lights as symbolic smoke-stacks. Yes Hamilton has smokestacks so what? The world needs steel.

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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 1:36 PM
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New Ivor Wynne Stadium might run north-south

Reported by John Kernaghan
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
http://hamilton.openfile.ca/hamilton...un-north-south

If city councillors were surprised by the twists in the Pan Am velodrome proposal Monday, here’s a real turn in the stadium story for them.

The Ticats have pushed for – and may be getting their way – a new stadium that will have a north-south field, not the east-west alignment for football employed at the east end site since 1930.

Three sources close to Pan Am planning and the Tiger Cats confirmed the proposed new configuration, which squares with a city report noting the facility will be totally new – not a partial renovation.

The new 22,500-seat project (down from the 25,000 cited earlier) would turn the current Ivor Wynne site 180 degrees and also take over the footprint of Brian Timmis Stadium, the smaller soccer facility just south of Ivor Wynne, if approved by city council.

The north-south alignment proposal was not revealed to council Monday.

How and where Timmis, one of Ontario’s finest small soccer venues, will be replaced is unknown, but there is a $2.5 million figure in the latest budget for the stadium and adjacent city property to replace it.

The new stadium configuration would bring Hamilton’s facility in line with most stadiums in North America. The north-south field avoids direct sun in the faces of players.

And the application likely means bigger and better restroom and food concession facilities.

Another highly-placed city hall source privy to stadium talks says “this north-south idea doesn’t have legs in my view.”

As well as Brian Timmis, another unknown is how much parking the Ticats will want in what has been identified as a recreational development. And what is the future of the former Scott Park School and Jimmy Thompson Pool, which dates to 1930?

The football club has ponied up $9 million towards construction in exchange for naming rights, a figure that may be difficult to recoup due to a location that isn’t on a major highway. Parking revenue has been a constant key in the football club’s stadium negotiations.

Owner Bob Young has promised in the past to pursue a pro soccer franchise and create a soccer academy for young players to increase activity at the stadium.

Several councilors were puzzled Monday that a totally new stadium could be built for $152.1 million, the same amount as a new build/renovation at the current east-west field.

TO2015 CEO Ian Troop said there are savings due to the fact Infrastructure Ontario is bundling the stadium, velodrome and a track and field facility at York University in its request for proposals to be issued in mid-September. Three design/build/finance teams have been shortlisted to bid on the work.

“There is an economy of scale and better pricing when the work is bundled this way,” he explained.
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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 1:40 PM
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Why not replace Brian Timmis Stadium at the West Harbour land.
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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 1:56 PM
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Why not replace Brian Timmis Stadium at the West Harbour land.
you'd think...i thought the whole purpose of locating at ivor wynne was to cut costs and sate the cats owners. this makes me really angry that they are going back on their intended objective.

for all this they should have re-mediated the waterfront lands. would have been a much better, smarter investment
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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 5:51 PM
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If it is going to be north-south then the press box should be on the eastside. Then the cameras for the TV broadcast will look west to downtown. People watching will see that there is more to Hamilton then steel mills.
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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 6:21 PM
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If it is going to be north-south then the press box should be on the eastside. Then the cameras for the TV broadcast will look west to downtown. People watching will see that there is more to Hamilton then steel mills.
Yep agreed. The North end view should be blocked somehow. Something like this would be really nice....

http://www.archdaily.com/132879/edmo...iew03-stadium/

South end view should be open to view the Escarpment.
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Old Posted: Aug 31, 2011, 9:24 PM
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Faq's regarding the new stadium as posted on the Ticats website:

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Frequently asked questions about Hamilton’s new stadium:

How do I secure my seats in the new stadium?

Season seat holders in 2012 will have priority access to purchase season seats in the new facility in the 2014 season based on:

The number of season seats and your section for the 2012 season
How long you have continuously been a Tiger-Cat season seat holder
If you are not currently a season seat holder, purchasing a flex pack for the remainder of the 2011 season will provide a next-in-line opportunity to secure season seats for 2012 and beyond. To purchase a flex pack or inquire about season seat information, click here.

What if I am not a season seat holder in 2012, or do not renew my season seats?

You will not have priority access to seats in the new stadium. There is no guarantee on season seat holder pricing for those who are not 2012 season seat holders.

What about parking?

The goal is to provide a parking solution for every season seat holder within a 10-minute walk of the stadium.

What is the capacity of the new stadium?

Capacity is reduced in the new stadium. The exact capacity will depend on the final stadium design.

Do the Tiger-Cats hope to host a Grey Cup in the future?

The Tiger-Cats are working with the City of Hamilton on a business case with the goal to hold multiple Grey Cups in the future. The new stadium will be expandable to host a Grey Cup.

What’s going on in 2013?

The Tiger-Cats are working on a comprehensive solution for the 2013 season while Ivor Wynne Stadium is demolished and new stadium is constructed. Season seat holders will have priority access to 2013 Tiger-Cat home games.

What will the prices be in the new stadium?

Season seats will be held at 2012 prices.

What type of seats will be in the new stadium?

Location of all seats will depend on the final stadium design.

Will the new stadium have improved accessible seating?

Accessible seating will be increased and available at multiple price points.
Source: http://www.newstadiumnewexperience.com/faq/
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Old Posted: Sep 1, 2011, 1:41 AM
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North-south? Heh, I posted this idea back in 2009 (Nov 6th), in the Ticats forum of all places. Where's my cut?

Actually, I take that back. I might end up on the hook for a share of the overruns.
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Old Posted: Sep 1, 2011, 3:08 PM
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What will the prices be in the new stadium?

Season seats will be held at 2012 prices.
There's obviously wiggle room in this statement. Season seats for the 2012 Season will go on sale in Oct 2011, while season seats for the 2013 season will go on sale in Oct 2012. Which would you say represents "2012 prices"? I sense another price spike coming down the pipes.

Moreover, introductory offers never last. Sooner or later the real cost of operating in a brand-new facility will be borne by someone (although the exact lease cost will depend on the final stadium costs).
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Old Posted: Sep 1, 2011, 3:50 PM
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I don't think there will be season tickets sold for 2013 per se, seeing as there will not be a permanent home for that year. At the very least, it will be an abbreviated set of tickets seeing that some 'home' games may be played in Moncton and/or other stadia, and whatever Hamilton games take place will be hosted at McMaster's field.
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Old Posted: Sep 1, 2011, 5:46 PM
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actually a new stadium will be built with modern efficiencies and likely be cheaper to operate than the old. Just a new house is more efficient than a 90 year old house is.

Personally I want the stadium designed for the best possible viewing and game experience, not how a pretty camera angle will look on a 2-sec piece of b-roll on TSN. That's not what you design a football stadium around. Real sports fans get this.
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Old Posted: Sep 1, 2011, 5:54 PM
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Does that mean a parking space is included with a season ticket? That would be nice.

Season ticket prices will rise and justly so. I suspect over 50% will be season holders. New merch sales will be in the millions$. The novelty newness will make a sell-out every game for a few seasons. Even the diehardest WH Super fan will have a difficult time not buying tickets.

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Old Posted: Sep 2, 2011, 6:00 AM
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Does that mean a parking space is included with a season ticket? That would be nice.

Season ticket prices will rise and justly so. I suspect over 50% will be season holders. New merch sales will be in the millions$. The novelty newness will make a sell-out every game for a few seasons. Even the diehardest WH Super fan will have a difficult time not buying tickets.
Considering, they are already averaging more than the 22,500 seats being provided in the new stadium, it goes without saying they will sell out every game.

I am still trying to figure out your statement about merchandising. How would a smaller stadium increase the sales of the trinkets they sell. How would a stadium have anything to do with merchandise sales. Considering how many people they have turned off with this stadium debate I wouldn't be surprised if the sales of merchandise actually drops off.
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Old Posted: Sep 2, 2011, 10:08 AM
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Seeing as their gameday attendance is slightly up from last year, I'd say the stadium debate has not impacted fan support and, by extention, merchandising sales.
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Old Posted: Sep 2, 2011, 11:38 AM
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actually a new stadium will be built with modern efficiencies and likely be cheaper to operate than the old. Just a new house is more efficient than a 90 year old house is.
The lifespan of IWS 2.0 has been pegged at 50 years. That suggests to me that the city would be amortizing its investment accordingly (especially since it didn't apply the sale cost of its 90-year-old house to the new build). Obviously, if the Ticats are paying 2010 payroll and rent rates in 2014, or if sponsors have stepped into the gap, ticket prices won't have any reason to budge. I'm skeptical, however, given BY's mixed signals on the matter of cheap seats, and the proven ability of the club to smell blood in stones.

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Seeing as their gameday attendance is slightly up from last year, I'd say the stadium debate has not impacted fan support and, by extention, merchandising sales.
Seems entirely possible, though that will shift back and forth.
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Old Posted: Sep 3, 2011, 2:47 AM
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Seeing as their gameday attendance is slightly up from last year, I'd say the stadium debate has not impacted fan support and, by extention, merchandising sales.
Considering their improvement on the field, you would think that the gameday attendance would have increased signifigantly. Merchandising has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium and everything to do with wins and losses.
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