Pan American Stadium | 40m | ? | Under Construction - Page 185

realcity · #**3681** Posted: **Jul 1, 2012, 12:01 AM**

And how many months would it take to clean all the toxic Barton/Tiffany soil? Before they even started building a WH Stadium it would've costed $20 million and 10 months. With the time and money leftover a WH stadium wouldn't even be a BMo Field.... IF it even got through a OMB. Look how long it took to pass the watered down Setting Sail plan! One single 8-story building??? And people thought a ten-story, 25-30k stadium would've got approved.

Now what I heard, 3 stadium plans have been proposed and have blown away anyone who saw them. "Any one of the proposed stadiums will make Hamilton proud". Too bad for all the Barton/Tiffany/Railyard/swampland lovers who want to hate the stadium and Ticats because it's being built east of James.

Berklon · #**3682** Posted: **Jul 1, 2012, 2:01 AM**

You're fixated on the WH thing, when it wasn't the only location suggested to be better than the dump it's currently in/going to. Sounds like you're over-compensating by suggesting the IWS location is good, when in fact it's terrible.

It's hilarious that while this mistake is being built, the Ticats have no place to play in Hamilton. Talk about a bad decision.

I hope they cancel this thing. Waste of time and money.

matt602 · #**3683** Posted: **Jul 1, 2012, 4:48 AM**

Sounds like a horse being beaten that's not just dead but rotted in the ground by now. Give it a rest already, it's over and done with.

pEte fiSt iN Ur fAce · #**3684** Posted: **Jul 1, 2012, 8:12 AM**

^Pwned!

SteelTown · #**3685** Posted: **Jul 4, 2012, 5:12 PM**

City wants to negotiate with the School Board for the Prince of Wales School land...

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...6__PW12055.pdf

CaptainKirk · #**3686** Posted: **Jul 4, 2012, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

City wants to negotiate with the School Board for the Prince of Wales School land...

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...6__PW12055.pdf

Appears to be just a formality

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The Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board has agreed to transfer ownership of a parking lot by Ivor Wynne Stadium to the city to allow for construction of a new Pan Am Games stadium on a north-south axis.
Trustees emerged from a closed-door session on Monday to direct staff to enter into negotiations to hand over the 0.9-acre lot, located at the northeast corner of Melrose Avenue North and Cannon Street East.
In return, the city is being asked to provide an equivalent number of parking spots to the board at the Pan Am site “in perpetuity” once the stadium is built.

http://www.hamiltonnews.com/uncatego...an-am-stadium/

LikeHamilton · #**3687** Posted: **Jul 6, 2012, 4:24 AM**

It’s official: Ivor Wynne will spin

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The city has inadvertently confirmed a plan to rebuild Ivor Wynne Stadium along north-south lines.

Infrastructure Ontario, the project manager for new Pan Am Games venues, has steadfastly refused to confirm the long-rumoured, 90-degree stadium swivel — or any other design details other than the 22,500-seat capacity — citing the need to protect competitive bidding.

City and Hamilton Tiger-Cats officials have also declined to discuss stadium design because of confidentiality agreements with the province.

But a new city report headed to committee Monday officially lets the Ticat stadium orientation out of the bag. The report recommends the city obtain a public school parking lot south of Ivor Wynne because “the proposed stadium design would have the new west stands encroaching on to (school board) lands.”

http://www.thespec.com/print/article/755854

coalminecanary · #**3688** Posted: **Jul 6, 2012, 2:55 PM**

This stadium is going to be a total disaster.

I inadvertently tried to drive home (to downtown) from the east end on the evening of the first game and I happened to pass through while the fans were leaving. What a mess. Every single westbound lane of every street was backed up. It took me over an hour to get from Ottawa street to Wellington, and even the side streets were rammed - with taxi cabs tearing up and down the north/south residential streets trying to get around the lunacy.

I don't blame the road design. I don't blame the people. I don't blame the stadium - I don't even blame the location of IWS to be honest (although it's certainly not ideal).

I blame a complete lack of reasonable alternative transportation options.

If we really think we are going to get away with increasing the capacity of this thing - and adding parking to encourage MORE driving - without first putting some sort of transit in which is separated from traffic, we are going to be the laughing stock of the country. And when pan am hits us we'll be a thorn in the side of every single participant and spectator for the events held here.

We are setting ourselves up for a huge embarrassment here. What a waste of time, money and energy.

Jon Dalton · #**3689** Posted: **Jul 6, 2012, 3:45 PM**

Just curious, did you try taking Burlington street? I always use it to get from downtown to the east end when I'm in a car. It's fast and I'm happier knowing I'm not contributing to dangerous traffic along Main or King, where it is hard not to drive 60. I wonder how many drivers even realize that Burlington St. is an option when they bitch about complete streets.

coalminecanary · #**3690** Posted: **Jul 6, 2012, 4:44 PM**

Unfortunately I was already in the thick of it before I realized what was going on. I ended up going south on a side street to cumberland which was still busy but without all the crazy lane changes and lunacy of multiple lanes and turns, it was at least steady.

The main point is that even though people flock in great numbers for events where beer is a main attraction, they HAVE to drive even if they don't want to because we have no alternative other than extra buses - which are even slower than driving.

If we were willing to give up ONE lane east and west for rail transit, nobody would have to suffer through that mess if they didn't want to.

If we really plan to increase the capacity of that stadium as well as ramp up the number of events, we will have no choice but to solve the transit issue eventually.

If we weren't so back-asswards we'd do the transit FIRST.

bigguy1231 · #**3691** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 3:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by coalminecanary

If we really think we are going to get away with increasing the capacity of this thing - and adding parking to encourage MORE driving - without first putting some sort of transit in which is separated from traffic, we are going to be the laughing stock of the country. And when pan am hits us we'll be a thorn in the side of every single participant and spectator for the events held here.

We are setting ourselves up for a huge embarrassment here. What a waste of time, money and energy.

Don't know where you got the idea they were increasing capacity. The new stadium is going to have 7000 fewer seats. The traffic will be proportionally less.

coalminecanary · #**3692** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 12:59 PM**

I thought the whole point of this from the very start was that a bigger stadium was needed!

matt602 · #**3693** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 1:08 PM**

I think we all knew a bigger stadium just isn't possible on that small parcel of land. Not with all the parking and offices that the Ti-Cats want to build as well. If the stadium at least has a decent, high-quality build I will be satisfied with the whole thing but so far I'm incredibly unimpressed.

coalminecanary · #**3694** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 1:43 PM**

We should be building an LRT link in time for Pan Am from mac to hunter GO to IWS so that we don't look like total fools to anyone who comes to town and realizes they have no choice but to drive to the events and park on peoples' lawns.

Berklon · #**3695** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by coalminecanary

We should be building an LRT link in time for Pan Am from mac to hunter GO to IWS so that we don't look like total fools to anyone who comes to town and realizes they have no choice but to drive to the events and park on peoples' lawns.

LRT is too far off - it wouldn't even come close to making it in time for Pan-Am. It's even doubtful LRT will happen at all - and with the lack of synergistic planning in this city (ie. stadium location) LRT shouldn't happen.

People from Burlington, Oakville and Toronto will be driving to the stadium and parking on lawns. It'll be a traffic nightmare. It'll be embarrassing.

matt602 · #**3696** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 3:49 PM**

Definitely. This whole Pan-Am thing is a joke anyway though, so it's not like Hamilton will be the only embarrassment.

Berklon · #**3697** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by matt602

Definitely. This whole Pan-Am thing is a joke anyway though, so it's not like Hamilton will be the only embarrassment.

That's the only positive I can think of, the brunt of the finger-pointing and embarrassment will be directed towards Toronto.

Someone on another forum from Toronto described the Pan-Am games nicely (paraphrasing):

Almost the same cost as the Olympics, with none of the prestige or economic upside.

mattgrande · #**3698** Posted: **Jul 7, 2012, 9:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

People from Burlington, Oakville and Toronto will be driving to the stadium and parking on lawns. It'll be a traffic nightmare. It'll be embarrassing.

The assumption that you're making is that people will actually be coming. The Pan-Am games aren't exactly a huge draw.

Berklon · #**3699** Posted: **Jul 8, 2012, 12:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by mattgrande

The assumption that you're making is that people will actually be coming. The Pan-Am games aren't exactly a huge draw.

Well I'm not going to argue that point.

I couldn't name you an athlete at the last Pan-Am games... or any Pan-Am games in history for that matter. I'm not sure I know what city hosted the last time.

pEte fiSt iN Ur fAce · #**3700** Posted: **Jul 8, 2012, 1:58 AM**

^Guadalajara, Mexico.

In terms of the raw number of athletes taking part, it's a pretty big deal, on par with the Commonwealth Games.

Delhi 2010 ~ 6700 athletes.
Guadalajara 2011 ~ 6000.
Beijing 2008 ~ 11000.

It's true, though, that it's not much of a spectator sport, at least in terms of television.

I supported the games at the beginning because I saw it as a great way (i.e. the ONLY way) to upgrade our athletic facilities: pools, running tracks / soccer fields, velodrome, stadium etc. It was also my hope, and many others as well, that we might be able to sneak in some infrastructure improvements as well (LRT) and maybe even develop a brownfield or two.

However, up to now, more damage than good has come from the games. My support is definitely off the table at this point.