NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,398) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS - Page 47

SD_Phil · #**921** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 1:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

Personally, I believe foundation work will begin by the end of the year. Everything so far seems to suggest it, but we'll see.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...415136636.html

Thanks!

reencharles · #**922** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 3:09 AM**

MY GOD, 432 meters?!
The height is even better than I imagined ... It is amazing to think that Midtown will finally have a building with more than 400 meters.

Anyway, it seems that the reign of the World Trade Center as the tallest building in the city (roof height) will not last long. And this is very good for the city, shows that the city continues to grow.

Zapatan · #**923** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 5:28 AM**

I really hope that 432 meter figure is correct, 1WTC shouldn't be the highest roof in NYC. I'm looking foward to seeing the final design though, some nice glass could really make this look good.

128 apartments? Is it a mixed use tower?

gramsjdg · #**924** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 6:00 AM**

Man, I hope 432.8 meters ends up being final! That would rock!

The best part would be that it might get others to build roof heights in NYC taller than 1400 ft as well.

Hed Kandi · #**925** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 6:56 AM**

I can't see this building being built, not if it stays true to the current renderings that we've been provided. Either the height will be decreased or if it remains the same, the design will be radically altered.

Zapatan · #**926** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 10:49 AM**

^What on earth are you basing that on? It's approved and they have 1420 feet of air rights.

2-TOWERS · #**927** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 4:32 PM**

hope to see this building rise to this height

babybackribs2314 · #**928** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by zapatan

^what on earth are you basing that on? It's approved and they have 1420 feet of air rights.

How many times does it need to be repeated: air rights are for the amount of space that is allowed to be developed, NOT HEIGHT!!!

hunser · #**929** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 5:09 PM**

As I said, this is not official. CTBUH got the information from the WSJ. That's why they don't have the floor count.

Don098 · #**930** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 5:14 PM**

I said this a long time ago and I'll say it again. I'm reserving judgement until I see OFFICIAL RENDERS from the source with REAL height numbers, etc. etc. Why hasn't the official render been released? Have they not completed the design?

NYguy · #**931** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 9:11 PM**

^ Probably wasn't finial at the time. It likely won't look much different from the rendering we've seen, we'll just have a better detailed look. We don't have an exact height yet. Plans for the complete building haven't been filed with the City. It's only a matter of time though.

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Originally Posted by Brian.

Looks like pouring those walls to shore up the foundations of the adjacent buildings was to go deeper.

That's what I'm thinking.

hunser · #**932** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

^ Probably wasn't finial at the time. It likely won't look much different from the rendering we've seen, we'll just have a better detailed look. We don't have an exact height yet. Plans for the complete building haven't been filed with the City. It's only a matter of time though.

You mean DOB filing? I'll do a quick search, maybe something pops up.

EDIT: Nope, nothing. Just some demolition permits...

NYguy · #**933** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by hunser

You mean DOB filing? I'll do a quick search, maybe something pops up.

EDIT: Nope, nothing. Just some demolition permits...

A permit was filed for the foundation and I believe the first 6 or so levels.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...rk_real_estate

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Work Set to Begin at Drake Hotel Site

The owner of the former Drake Hotel site on Park Avenue, one of the premier Manhattan development sites, is taking its first major step toward building on the property, according to a recent application with the Department of Buildings. The owner, Los Angeles-based CIM Group, hasn't said what it's planning to build. The application calls for a five-story office building, but that's not a reliable indication of what's to come. The subterranean work for a five-story building or 50-story building is considered quite similar. Under current zoning, a much bigger tower could be built. The application allows the developers to begin initial work without tipping their hand.

http://www.observer.com/2011/real-es...velopment-site

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Stirrings at North America’s Most Valuable Development Site

By Laura Kusisto 4/15/11

Developers are moving forward with super-secretive plans to begin construction on the most valuable development site in North America.

A team led by the California-based CIM Group has filed an application with the Department of Buildings to begin construction on the site, at Park Avenue and 57th Street where the Drake Hotel once was, according to public records.

This particular filing was disapproved on the 9th, but that's pretty standard...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=02

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Work on Floor(s): SC2,SC1,CEL,0RF 001 thru 006
MECHANICAL WORK ASSOCIATED WITH NEW BUILDING AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.

Partial approval on the 9th...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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ERECT NEW BUILDING AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.

2-TOWERS · #**934** Posted: **Jan 14, 2012, 10:00 PM**

what will the dimensions be for this building it seem like it will be thin

THE BIG APPLE · #**935** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 12:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by 2-TOWERS

what will the dimensions be for this building it seem like it will be thin

I don't know how accurate the SSP diagrams are, but the new 1WTC is 200x200 ft and the old Twins were each 208x208 feet. JUDGING by the DIAGRAMS it is much skinner. So I would say appox. 140x140 or 150x150 ft. Not exact because I'm not sure, but just judging by the diagram on SSP.

RobertWalpole · #**936** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 12:22 AM**

Acording to the architect, the height to width ratio is 19:1.

THE BIG APPLE · #**937** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 2:06 AM**

I just did the calculations (based on 1,350 feet). So is it really going to be 71x71 feet.

Eidolon · #**938** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 5:18 PM**

This building has gradually become one of my favourite projects in NYC even though I started out hating it, and if this really does end up being 432 meters tall I will be most pleased.

88madri · #**939** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 5:59 PM**

I have one question. All the building will be in the area they are working now?? Or they have to demolish some of the building close to it?? I mean the ones we can see in the webcam

Thanks

RobertWalpole · #**940** Posted: **Jan 15, 2012, 6:16 PM**

I suspect that it's called 432 Park because it's 432m tall. Recall that The Drake's site, on which this tower will sit, had an address of 440 Park.