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Old Posted: Jan 22, 2010, 11:19 PM
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Halifax North Common Improvements

I don't know if it's been posted yet, but there's a PDF available here: http://www.halifax.ca/Commcoun/pcc/d...orthCommon.pdf

I've been complaining about the poor state of the Common for a long time and it looks like these improvements will bring it more in line with the Public Gardens or Victoria Park. Both are much nicer and function better than they did in the past.

I really like the idea of having small entrance plazas and a centre "island" to break things up. Right now it feels very tattered and the space is not particularly well-defined, although the buildings around it are actually pretty solid.
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Old Posted: Jan 23, 2010, 3:08 AM
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Looks great. It really makes me shake my head at the "Friends of the Commons" and the self-interested nimbys here. Clearly they are driving many individual agendas with regards to the Commons. Be it a ball-player who feels entitled to Wednesday night beer league, or a dog owner who lives across the street on a postage stamp lot, and considers this his "own backyard".

Either its everyone's Commons or its no one's. They want to use it to play softball, cricket, run the dog, tag football, ultimate Frisbee- and I (and many others) want to use it to see and hear an occasional concert. Its owned by all of us, so we can all share it for many uses, or it can become "untouchable" green space with no uses. No concerts, no ball diamonds, no football, no dogs.. no people.
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Old Posted: Jan 23, 2010, 4:13 PM
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This looks awesome. The Commons are in such a sad state right now they really need a good upgrade. Dartmouth just got its large public realm upgrade around Lake Banook for the Canoe Championships last year, I think Halifax should get something of the same quality as well. I think even redesigning the fountain and creating a more inviting central area would go a long way towards creating a better public realm.
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At the very least, wider pathways and better lighting should be a priority.
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Old Posted: Jan 23, 2010, 8:23 PM
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These upgrades are ok - but certainly not great. I guess it is a start.

Nice to see an upgrade to make the fountain area more prominent, and the idea of better defined entrances is good, but-

- asphalt paths are ridiculous - cheap now, but expensive over the long-term

- the lighting is a huge disappointment. This is not a Victorian park/garden so why are we putting faux-antique lamp posts here? This is a huge open space that has long suffered from poor lighting (in a city that pays absolutely no attention to lighting strategies) - this seems to me like a perfect opportunity to do something more interesting, more modern, more efficient - and better suited to this type of space.
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These upgrades are ok - but certainly not great. I guess it is a start.

Nice to see an upgrade to make the fountain area more prominent, and the idea of better defined entrances is good, but-

- asphalt paths are ridiculous - cheap now, but expensive over the long-term

- the lighting is a huge disappointment. This is not a Victorian park/garden so why are we putting faux-antique lamp posts here? This is a huge open space that has long suffered from poor lighting (in a city that pays absolutely no attention to lighting strategies) - this seems to me like a perfect opportunity to do something more interesting, more modern, more efficient - and better suited to this type of space.
Very good points, I wondered about the lighting myself. Are these changes set in stone?
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Old Posted: Jan 24, 2010, 10:51 PM
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I like the LED lights that are at the base of Hammonds Plains and Bedford Hwy. There must be a similar designed light used more for flooding large areas. The commons need to be lit to allow late night walking to be a safe thing but not glow like a football stadium.
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Old Posted: Jan 25, 2010, 3:07 PM
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The safety issue at the Commons is overstated IMO. I have been through there 3-4 times a week at night for years. There is no more crime/attacks than in any other part of the city. I'll take the Commons at 2 am over pizza corner any night.

As for lighting there, it gives a false sense of security. I always cross through the middle of the darkened, open fields, rather than sticking to the lit paths. I find that on the paths, I am blinded by the light, and feel "on display", peering into vast areas of darkness in where I can't tell who if anyone may be.

In the middle of the dark field, my eyes adjust, I can see if there is anyone that I might want to give a wide berth well before I get near them, and I can see everything happening on the lit paths. I have never felt unsafe on the Commons.
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Old Posted: Jan 25, 2010, 3:36 PM
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The safety issue at the Commons is overstated IMO. I have been through there 3-4 times a week at night for years. There is no more crime/attacks than in any other part of the city. I'll take the Commons at 2 am over pizza corner any night.

As for lighting there, it gives a false sense of security. I always cross through the middle of the darkened, open fields, rather than sticking to the lit paths. I find that on the paths, I am blinded by the light, and feel "on display", peering into vast areas of darkness in where I can't tell who if anyone may be.

In the middle of the dark field, my eyes adjust, I can see if there is anyone that I might want to give a wide berth well before I get near them, and I can see everything happening on the lit paths. I have never felt unsafe on the Commons.
I agree. I've walked through the Common many times late at night and never felt unsafe. I'm also around Gottingen some nights and don't feel threatened. Actually, were I've felt the most vulnerable in the city is waiting for a bus in Clayton Park with those high hedges hiding everything along the sidewalks - and no other pedestrians around for miles.
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The commons are very safe at night... you can see anybody coming at you from a mile (not literally) away.

Its pretty hard to get jumped when somebody can't approach you without being seen.

I always walk back from the bars across and it saves me half an hour in walking time.
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i guess ill put this here....




Council considers permit parking around Halifax Common
Last Updated: Monday, January 25, 2010 | 8:20 PM AT Comments8Recommend2
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The days of free parking around the Halifax Common could soon be over, as Halifax city council considers a monthly permit system.

People park for free all day long in the 300 spaces along Rainnie Drive, Ahern Ave., Cogswell, Cunard, Robie and Trolloppe streets while they go to work or classes at Citadel High School.

The proposal would eliminate free parking in those zones and instead require motorists to buy monthly permits. The permits would cost between $35 and $40 a month, depending on where the parking spot is.

David McCusker, the Halifax Regional Municipality manager in charge of the project, said the new plan might actually benefit commuters.

"Some people may be disappointed that they don't get to park for free now. But some people may appreciate that they now have an opportunity to park without having to come extraordinarily early to find a parking space," he said.

The city plans to use the money raised for transportation initiatives such as bike lanes, transit and car pools.

All of this worries some of the commuters who regularly park on the affected streets.

Commuter Ken Ivey said he won't have a choice but to buy a permit so he can get to work on time at the Queen Elizabeth II Health Centre.

"It's kind of hard for me to take the bus because I live in Elmsdale," he said. "The other option would be to park at the hospital itself, but it's $96 a month just to park there."

If the permit system goes ahead, it would be in place Monday to Friday from 8 a.m. until 5 p.m. and would take effect on April 1.

Downtown Coun. Dawn Sloane is worried a permit system will result in commuters parking on side streets.

"I think what's going to happen is that it's going to be a ripple effect where you're going to see, again, commuter parking on the side streets," she said.

"So, what you'll see is that those who do not want to pay for parking next to their work, they'll move to the side streets, which will displace the citizens who actually live in the area."

But city officials said if that happens, homeowners can apply for parking changes of their own — either permits or limited hours.
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Old Posted: Jan 26, 2010, 2:19 PM
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^^^ Just another revenue grab by the city. McCusker needs to go.
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Two articles from Spacing Atlantic on the North Common

History of the Commons
http://spacingatlantic.ca/2010/01/26...r-common-past/

Current Development proposal
http://spacingatlantic.ca/2010/01/26...to-the-common/
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The proposal would eliminate free parking in those zones and instead require motorists to buy monthly permits. The permits would cost between $35 and $40 a month, depending on where the parking spot is.

Commuter Ken Ivey said he won't have a choice but to buy a permit so he can get to work on time at the Queen Elizabeth II Health Centre.

"It's kind of hard for me to take the bus because I live in Elmsdale," he said. "The other option would be to park at the hospital itself, but it's $96 a month just to park there."
So the Hospital charges $96/month and the city is going to charge you $40 a month - boo hoo, sounds like a pretty good discount to me. Free parking is an inefficient way to allocate a scarce resource - parking spaces. Free parking is a subsidy to drivers picked up by all tax-payers (or consumers/workers in commercial lots), including those who don't drive. Why do lots charge for parking? Because the land is valuabe, there is more demand than supply in downtown, and it costs money to maintain parking areas. The street isn't that different.

The overflow parking question is a valid concern but I'd be shocked if there isn't overflow into residential neighbourhoods already in that area. There are lots of reasonable ways to protect residential streets, such as residential parking permits.
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So the Hospital charges $96/month and the city is going to charge you $40 a month - boo hoo, sounds like a pretty good discount to me. Free parking is an inefficient way to allocate a scarce resource - parking spaces. Free parking is a subsidy to drivers picked up by all tax-payers (or consumers/workers in commercial lots), including those who don't drive. Why do lots charge for parking? Because the land is valuabe, there is more demand than supply in downtown, and it costs money to maintain parking areas. The street isn't that different.

The overflow parking question is a valid concern but I'd be shocked if there isn't overflow into residential neighbourhoods already in that area. There are lots of reasonable ways to protect residential streets, such as residential parking permits.
I agree complerely with you.

Besides the streets proposed right now for the permits are around the Citadel and Commons so no residents are directly affected.

As Councillor Karsten said its $2 a day which it less than a coffee at Starbucks or 2 coffees at Timmy's.
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Council killed it, so it's all moot. McCusker really needs to get out of HRM -- anything he touches immediately becomes toxic to council.
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Too bad. They at least should have considered issuing permits to residents and then switching to 2 hour parking for streets in these areas. That would have alleviated any concerns of business owners while stopping the free parking for commuters. It's such a basic truth that if you give people a transit pass they'll take the bus but if you give them free parking they'll take their car. We should stop giving out "free parking" to a lucky few.
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We should stop giving out "free parking" to a lucky few.
There's no such thing as a free lunch, just as there's no such thing as free parking.

A synopsis of Donald Schoup's High Cost of Free Parking explains the problem quite well http://www.raisethehammer.org/article/072

Too bad it got defeated. In Halifax's case we're going to have to provide a whole lot of carrots to move drivers out of cars before anyone starts talking seriously about even the flimsiest of sticks.
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I don't understand why they just don't put parking meters on these streets instead of this convoluted permit system.
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Just an opinion piece we missed from the community section of the Herald. Lots of good old common sense.



FOR ABOUT 10 years before I moved to the little house I live in now, I lived within a two-minute walk of the North Common.

During those years, I walked across that big soggy field twice daily on my way to and from work. I’ve worked this out for some of my male readers, who I know LOVE numbers, and are already calculating this in their heads anyway: it works out to about 4,700 trips, allowing for statutory holidays, two weeks vacation a year, and a couple of sick days.

My partner got mugged there once in broad daylight when a couple of doofuses tried to take her bag, which, fortunately, she had strapped diagonally across her body. They ran off, red-faced, after she more or less gave them some anatomical/recreational advice as to how they could spend the rest of their day.

I remember once fearing that I would die there, as I traipsed across the tundra in the middle of a howling blizzard. I think it was Christmas Eve or New Year’s Day or something ridiculous, when normal people were not expected to put their lives on the line to get to work, so I was feeling doubly sorry for myself and seriously considering just giving up and lying down to have a good cry.

Anyway, my point is that the common and I have a pretty intimate relationship. And the other point I really want to make is this: apart from being a nice quiet place to walk, and a good spot for a dog walk or game of softball or Frisbee, it’s pretty useless in terms of anything else.

Unless you feel like climbing a bleacher, there’s almost nowhere to sit. The fountain is rarely on, and of course it’s stuck behind that huge, ugly fence. You can’t get a hot dog or a drink of water. So, unless you’ve got a dog or a game or there’s a massive concert in the middle of it, there’s no other reason to go there.

This week, Halifax Regional Municipality held a public meeting to solicit feedback on a proposal to make some changes to the Halifax Commons. The proposal dates to 1994, so you can see that these upgrades have been developing at the usual breakneck speed of progress in Halifax.

The plan includes some great ideas — improved landscaping, more trees, better lighting, upgrades to the sports fields, widened pathways, more seating areas, a redesign of the fountain, new kiosks, and allowances for public art. But perhaps most controversially, the plan also incorporates a "Special Events Plaza" at the corner of North Park and Cogswell.

That plaza (and the widened pathways) will involve some paving, and the paving appears to be what most rankles the Friends of the Halifax Common, whose rather poignant motto is "Helping Protect What’s Left."

I do agree with the Friends that the preservation of public green space is extremely important. But their position on this plan, as posted on their website, is that it ". . . continues the erosion of public open land by . . . (making) way for a permanent hard-surfaced plaza for concerts, using asphalt instead of permeable materials for wider paths on the Common and creating hard surfaced entrances."

It’s not the usability, or the greater accessibility or the potential opportunities that interest the Friends, it’s the asphalt. I would argue that even if this corner is paved, it’s still "public" and "open," and I would suggest that if a space is "green" but very few people are using it, it’s just a waste of good public space.

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Angela Mombourquette is a freelance writer and filmmaker living in Halifax.
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