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Report going to Council tomorrow on land acquisition
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From the "this world is screwed up" department:

In the mail today arrived a postcard-like thing inviting 'me' to a public meeting on the "Graham Spry Building Deconstruction". What in blazes is that? Well they're not actually going to deconstruct the Graham Spry Building (not that I'd object to that); instead they're going to deconstruct the "two storey annex next to the seven-storey federal building at 250 Lanark Avenue that once housed CBC TV's Ottawa Studios". In other words, it's the really sprawly bit of the Graham Spry Building nearest to Westboro Station (in Westboro! you know, the place developers love) on a site no one really gives a damn about but most would agree is the sort of site where intensification might actually do some good.

So what of it?

Well it will be "deconstructed during the spring and summer of 2011, to be replaced by landscaped open space.

Hallelujah! Just what that part of Lanark needs! More landscaped open space! We've got landscaped open space on the Lanark side of that building, we've got landscaped open space on the former Champlain HS site across the street, we've got the NCC's semi-landscaped Ottawa River Parkway nearby, and now we're going to have landscaped open space next to a Transitway station.

The site is larger than the convent site and it's essentially greyfield. It's only 3/4 km away from the convent, equidistant to Loblaws (500 m) and of course much nearer to the Transitway. So Ashcroft can have the site for all I care. They can recycle their original 12-storey plan for the convent and shove it on this site. Heck, they could put two of them on it. They could give those poor federal workers somewhere to go at lunch. It would bolster the case to extend light rail sooner.

But no. The convent site with its long-established trees and landscaping has to be sacrificed to the gods of intensification while this site, which on any measure is a far more prime site for intensification, gets ... landscaped as open space.
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Landscaped open space forever or just until the GofC decides to redevelop or sell the site?
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[QUOTE=kwoldtimer;5193935]Landscaped open space forever or just until the GofC decides to redevelop or sell the site?[QUOTE]

yes.
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...they're going to deconstruct the "two storey annex next to the seven-storey federal building at 250 Lanark Avenue that once housed CBC TV's Ottawa Studios". In other words, it's the really sprawly bit of the Graham Spry Building nearest to Westboro Station (in Westboro! you know, the place developers love) on a site no one really gives a damn about but most would agree is the sort of site where intensification might actually do some good...
But no. The convent site with its long-established trees and landscaping has to be sacrificed to the gods of intensification while this site, which on any measure is a far more prime site for intensification, gets ... landscaped as open space.
You mean one of the sites that the City shows covered with TALL Vancouveresque condo towers surrounding "Light Rail at Westboro Station" (what? where? when?) in the fanciful illustration that they use in all of their promotional materials? http://tinyurl.com/5rs9hqs

The federal government's unwillingness to realize the value of its surplus properties in urban Ottawa even while it gobbles up properties at the periphery of the city, and even while it plans wonderful developments on surplus lands in other cities (e.g., http://www.clc.ca/properties/les-bas...-nouveau-havre) is just galling to anyone who reads high-minded documents like the NCC mandate.

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Landscaped open space forever or just until the GofC decides to redevelop or sell the site?
Is there a substantive difference?

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You mean one of the sites that the City shows covered with TALL Vancouveresque condo towers surrounding "Light Rail at Westboro Station" (what? where? when?) in the fanciful illustration that they use in all of their promotional materials? http://tinyurl.com/5rs9hqs
Actually not quite. Those buildings are on Scott and McRae, one of them roughly sitting on top of the Trail Head property.

The perspective of that illustration is from the bus ramp on the north side.

But you're basically right conceptually.
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Whilst you and I disagree on the Convent site Dado (in that I feel it is an appropriate site for significant intensification, albeit I would be happy for it to be rearranged to preserve the greenspace & views along Richmond, and build the height along Byron), we definitely agree on this. It is ludicrous that there would be "greenspace" rather than intensification on this site, and there is no doubt that it is a much more suitable (or a much more essential, since I feel both are suitable) site for intensification than the Convent.
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Is there a substantive difference?



Actually not quite. Those buildings are on Scott and McRae, one of them roughly sitting on top of the Trail Head property.

The perspective of that illustration is from the bus ramp on the north side.

But you're basically right conceptually.
really?! I always assumed the perspective was westbound, because those buildings look much taller than what was allowed for Westboro Collection at Scott and McRae (although I wouldn't be surprised if they've torn up their last plans after learning Katherine Hobbs position on Soho Italia, swapping the stubbier compromise tower for one taller then their original proposal)
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City won’t seek to buy piece of convent property

By Joanne Chianello, Ottawa Citizen March 10, 2011 12:02 PM Be the first to

OTTAWA — There will be no levy imposed on the residents of Kitchissippi ward to purchase part of the former Soeurs de la Visitations convent on Richmond Road.

Councillor Katherine Hobbs told her council colleagues Thursday morning that the majority of her residents were opposed to the levy, as were local business groups.

“I am not supporting the purchase of the property,” said Hobbs.

Council closed ranks around Hobbs, with Mayor Jim Watson commending her, saying he has “never seen the number of public meetings held on one issue.”

Councillor Jan Harder called Hobbs “brave” and said the councillor “pulled out all the stops.”

Harder also successfully moved that the city take “cash-in-lieu of parkland” instead of green space from the developer of the site. This will give about $1 million to the ward to be invested in “improving and expanding parkland in Kitchissippi.”

The developed convent site will still have about 3,5000 square metres of green space.

The property is owned by developer Ashcroft, which bought it from Les Soeurs de la Visitation for $12 million and plans to develop condos and retail on the site.

Many nearby residents, however, wanted to preserve as much of the property as possible as parkland. Last fall, city council voted to act on residents’ behalf if they could come up with the money.

Ashcroft hasn’t offered to sell, but an appraiser hired by the city says that with the new zoning on the property, a piece at the southern edge is worth $9 million. The city also said the residents would also have to pay for about $2.4 million in legal fees, for a levy of about $97 a year for the next 10 years, if that amount was divvied up among all residents of Kitchissippi.

The city has a self-imposed deadline of March 31 to decide whether to try to buy the land and impose a levy, but it had to be decided Thursday because it’s the last meeting this month.
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really?! I always assumed the perspective was westbound, because those buildings look much taller than what was allowed for Westboro Collection at Scott and McRae
I don't think the illustrators paid any heed to existing development plans, or for that matter even knew of them. You have to recall that the DOTT study was carried out by engineering consultants with very little involvement from any planners. I know from experience that engineering consultants seldom bother to pay attention to land use plans and their illustrators would have even less reason to. There's no particular reason for them to have known unless they had an unusual degree of thoughtfulness to go to the trouble to find out.

The illustration verges on being absurd because another of the buildings (the one peaking behind the conifers) occupies the spot where that 5-storey building was built opposite the station a few years ago, and is unlikely to be replaced any time soon. The middle building roughly corresponds to the Westboro Collection site and the far one to the Trailhead site.



Anyway, what you're seeing in this illustration is first and foremost the Athlone Bridge (I've seen a higher-res version somewhere where one can actually make out the word 'Athlone'). At the time, it was common for a #2 artic to be parked on the Athlone bridge since Westboro was a short-ending/starting point for the #2 (which it isn't any longer, and the artics have been replaced by shorter hybrids). I imagine the base picture they used had an artic sitting right there. The coniferous trees you see on the upper right correspond to the coniferous trees just west of the station in the Scott Street corridor. The shadows of the pedestrians at left also correspond to it being an eastbound perspective. Up on the left you can see the bunker-like housing for the northside elevator shaft; the one on the southside is somewhat further away from the corresponding corner and would not be so easily visible from down in the Transitway trench. Finally, the most distant bridge structure is "shiny" - that's the utility bridge east of Westboro Station (the Tweedsmuir and pedestrian bridges seem to get lost in each other).

The one thing that is out of place is all the vegetation on the left. Right now it's a sloped concrete slab with bits of crumbling limestone set in it. My guess is that the illustrator envisioned replacing the ramp with more attractive landscaping.

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(although I wouldn't be surprised if they've torn up their last plans after learning Katherine Hobbs position on Soho Italia, swapping the stubbier compromise tower for one taller then their original proposal)
It's been suspended for awhile, and long before Hobbs was elected. I have no idea why. Perhaps Ashcroft has made the environment too toxic for awhile. Other than localized objections from those on Clifton Rd and possibly a few on Tweedsmuir, there wasn't any great outcry about it because the plan generally conformed to the CDP.

The "compromise" frankly looks better than the original: the original was sort of like a pyramid with a short stack shoved on top. It looked like it had been designed to be shortened. What the compromise did was reduce the height but also reduced the pyramidal appearance by consolidating a few storeys at at a time. All they really needed to do was knock off the upper storeys of the stack.
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The coniferous trees you see on the upper right correspond to the coniferous trees just west of the station in the Scott Street corridor. The shadows of the pedestrians at left also correspond to it being an eastbound perspective. Up on the left you can see the bunker-like housing for the northside elevator shaft; the one on the southside is somewhat further away from the corresponding corner and would not be so easily visible from down in the Transitway trench. Finally, the most distant bridge structure is "shiny" - that's the utility bridge east of Westboro Station (the Tweedsmuir and pedestrian bridges seem to get lost in each other).
Hat tip to some fine sleuthing; if the world ignores your planning advice you could have a fine career analyzing photos for CSI.
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from the staff report you can see the total price of the site

The site was purchased by the current Owner between October 2009 and February 2010 as an assembly of three properties, at a total cost of $14,025,000.
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Does anyone know of a offical web site for this project?
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Does anyone know of a offical web site for this project?
your google broken?
http://www.ashcroft-homes.com/commun...x?listingid=44
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Don't forget to mention Eastboro! (I wonder where they got the name for that from?):

http://www.ashcroft-homes.com/commun...x?listingid=25

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Nestled between Orleans and Navan, Eastboro is surrounded by fertile farmlands and miles of country roads. Conservation plays a significant role in the stimulation of the Eastboro community. Eastboro is not only a development, it is a self-contained community designed on 200 acres of land.

A rustic get-a-way without the exclusion of city life, Eastboro is where you'll want to be!

With access to the Blackburn Hamlet bypass in as little as two minutes. Ashcroft Homes has created a climate of innovation, and diversification within their new and exciting community through collaborative strategic planning throughout the community development planning process.

Eastboro offers the perfect blend of country-comfort style just far enough out of the city that you do not have to worry about jeopardizing your new found serenity. This is the ideal opportunity for home buyers to get into the home of their dreams in the serenity of the country landscape!

Aimed at attracting 'families who are looking for a residential retreat of relaxation and unique beauty', Eastboro is quite simply a unique development. It is the development of a family environment that is rich in experience and opportunity for all of its residents, that is viewed as the most exciting aspect. Great emphasis has been given to each and every detail within this unique and exceptional residential retreat. A variety of elements ranging from a school to bountiful parks, a romantic promenade, and light commercial, all come together to form part of the unique experience that Eastboro offers.
[bold was my emphasis, italics were theirs]

This from the same company that's doing anything but promoting serenity in Westboro, the presumed namesake of this bit of new suburbia. What gets me is the sheer hypocrisy and cynicism of it all. They're busy marketing "country life" and "getting away" from "the exclusion of city life" (seriously - getting away from exclusion) in a development with an urban-inspired name, while over at Q-West they're busy building up the same kind of "city exclusion" that this Eastboro of theirs is railing against, because we just know that the people buying into Q-West are going to have nothing to do with most of the long time residents of Westboro, which Ashcroft describes on the Q-West site as "that ideal neighbourhood, with everything you want just steps away" and "a vibrant community with an ever-evolving character to suit your needs".

The way they're carrying on, why not just pepper the homeowners of Leighton Terrace with Eastboro flyers?
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segment the market and differentiate your product.
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New homes and condos are the end product in a highly regulated and highly taxed industry. Like any other corporation the goal of a home builder is to make a profit, and like any other corporation they use marketing fluff to create an image of their product to appeal to their target market. They build condos on Traditional Mainstreets in Westboro because they know they can make money doing so, and they dont build anything similar in Orleans because they don't think there is a market for it, or that the risks are too high/not as much return as they could get building stuff like Eastboro.
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Fine.

Then they should stop babbling on about intensification as a justification for projects in places like Westboro. They should just say that there's a market for more people to live in Westboro and they're catering to that.

Either they believe in intensification, in which case Eastboro should be the subject of it every bit as much as Westboro, or they believe only in profits, in which case they should not raise the issue of intensification.


And we don't know that replicating Westboro in Eastboro wouldn't be profitable (i.e. with a traditional mainstreet at the centre of the development) - because the developers have never come close to even making an attempt at it.
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Cities have to provide for a range of housing types and densities, through both greenfield development and intensification. Good planning includes providing housing choice, which is why a planning consultant like FoTenn will do urban projects like the Oblate lands, the Convent, and SoHo Italia, as well as working for Mattamy and Minto in the suburbs.
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