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Old Posted: Aug 4, 2012, 10:11 PM
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Yes it is sad that Detroit is the only city in the world where people get murdered.
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Old Posted: Aug 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
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Yes it is sad that Detroit is the only city in the world where people get murdered.
I didn't get anything like that from this article. We all know there are murders outside of Detroit, and the article didn't imply that there aren't.
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Old Posted: Aug 5, 2012, 12:14 AM
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I didn't get anything like that from this article. We all know there are murders outside of Detroit, and the article didn't imply that there aren't.
Right. The article is certainly not suggesting anything of the sort... and it's obviously a sensitive topic... so some will be overly defensive about it and misguidedly deflect.

Instead, the article is about the vast abandonment of Detroit proper allowing bodies from murders elsewhere to be dumped within the city at an alarming rate.

When a Detroit police officer is admitting that he now patrols an area of 22 square miles and only comes in view of another police officer "maybe once every two hours" within the city... well, there's a story there.
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Old Posted: Aug 5, 2012, 2:03 AM
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Not just Detroit, but Flint is becoming a dumping ground as well. Apparently, people think that you can kill others and then dump them in a high crime area and know one would be the wiser. Though I guess if the police force of a particular city is weak, then it's expected that the case would less likely to be solved.

Police to resume search in Flint for missing Troy man

http://www.freep.com/article/2012080...sey=nav%7Chead
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Old Posted: Dec 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
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I had no idea this program had been so successful or that it was even really going on in this scale. This seems like something excellent going on under the radar that could be a piece of the puzzle to solving the vacant land issue until things pick back up.

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Ndue Lucaj, 51, looks Thursday over the fence he built after buying the vacant lot next to his Detroit home. He said buying the city-owned lot for $200 "was a good deal; I would've paid a lot more to clean up that eyesore." / Kimberly P. Mitchell/Detroit Free Press

Detroit sells city-owned vacant lots to neighbors, cleaning up neighborhoods

By Bill Laitner | Detroit Free Press

December 13, 2012

Saying, "It's nice to be somewhere that's positive," Detroit Mayor Dave Bing got some respite from the city's fiscal crisis Thursday when he stood with residents of southwest Detroit to announce that he would expand on a success -- a 9-month-old effort that expedites purchases of vacant city-owned lots by adjoining homeowners.

It discourages dumping while making skinny urban lots swell to resemble those in suburbia, city officials said.

"I'm pleased to report that almost 100 vacant lots have been purchased," Bing said.

"Now, we're going to expand this to a new area that I'm very familiar with because, for about 30 years, that's where my businesses were," Bing said. His reference was to the North End neighborhood, just north of Midtown, where Bing once operated the Bing Group, a conglomerate of auto suppliers.

The program -- which city planning managers said now covers about 5% of the city, and that soon will roughly double in size -- can't cover 100% of the city because "our staff has been cut dramatically (and) we just don't have the people" to handle a city-wide program, Bing said.

The effort, called White Picket Fence, puts empty lots back on the tax rolls, gives homeowners space for gardens and parking, beautifies neighborhoods and even provides $200 in free fencing or landscaping material -- paid for by Charter One bank, said Brad Dick, Detroit's general services director.

Under the program, homeowners can quickly buy a vacant lot that adjoins their property for $200, avoiding the need for approval by the Detroit City Council -- a lengthy procedure and usually mandatory for sales of city-owned land, Dick said.


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A new sponsor -- Fifth Third Bank -- will pay for $25,000 in gift cards for fencing to launch the new phase in the North End neighborhood, Bing spokeswoman Daphne Hughes said. The North End is bounded on the east by I-75, on the west by Woodward, on the north roughly by Chicago Boulevard, and south by East Grand Boulevard.

For homeowner Vicki Chavez and her family in southwest Detroit, buying the lot next door turned the family into landscapers.

There were so many weeds growing there that her grandchildren called it "the forest," Chavez said at Bing's announcement. Since buying the lot last summer, she and her husband removed 45 bags of garbage and weeds -- "lots of auto parts and beer cans," Chavez said.

"Now, it's going to be a yard with a garden," she said.
Things are going to be empty around these parts for awhile, but this at least allows this space to be maintained and gives neighbors a bargaining chip when development comes back to these neighborhoods. At the very least, this is better than the lots being owned by out-of-city/out-of-state absentee landlords who often can't be found. At least now if the lots aren't maintained, they know who to find. I'm also glad to see this coming to the North End...it's where I was born.
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"The program -- which city planning managers said now covers about 5% of the city, and that soon will roughly double in size -- can't cover 100% of the city because "our staff has been cut dramatically (and) we just don't have the people" to handle a city-wide program, Bing said."

Hm. Well, maybe they should have hired staff two years ago with their NSP funds instead of letting it be reallocated.
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NSP funds could have been used for this? I'm asking, because I never looked at the criteria for cities to apply for the funds. If that's the case, that's really sad. I mean, can you imagine would this program could have done for areas like the Far Eastside or Brightmoor?
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Old Posted: Dec 14, 2012, 9:18 PM
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I think this is meant more for neighborhoods that are still mostly intact, as opposed to Brightmoor which is mostly vacant. I guess if someone wanted to buy an entire block in Brightmoore and build a fence around their property, they could.
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NSP funds could have been used for this? I'm asking, because I never looked at the criteria for cities to apply for the funds. If that's the case, that's really sad. I mean, can you imagine would this program could have done for areas like the Far Eastside or Brightmoor?
Detroit had $40 million, 10% for admin costs is $4 million for staff. And yes, Ingham County is doing a side lot transfer program with their NSP demos. The issue is that the neighbor has to be below 120% AMI, but that would be even less of an issue in the City of Detroit.
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