Originally Posted by HooverDam
Welp according to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_urban_areas
the Phx 'urban area'
is still denser than a lot of Eastern cities like DC, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo, Cleveland, etc.
But like I said, density isn't really an interesting thing to me. The Phoenix area has plenty of walkable neighborhoods and theyre probably generally less dense than the newer 'burbs. And at some point density becomes a negative, though what that number is varies on ones personal preference.
Phoenix is a popular place and I appreciate you defending it. Nonetheless, I’m glad you put ‘urban area’ in parenthesis. It’s sort of a misnomer according to the definition that the Census use to define it. The Census defines this ‘urban area’ term as contiguous census block groups with a population density of at least 1,000 ppsm
with any census block groups around this core having a density of at least 500 ppsm
. By definition that sounds very ‘suburban’ to me rather than ‘urban’.
I wish the Census would have found another term than ‘urban’ to describe what they are measuring. It probably would cut down on some confusion. It really illustrates the density of the suburban areas rather than the urban areas. That’s why a place like NYC with over 8 million in area of little more 300 square miles with a density of over 25,000 ppsm falls to density of 5,309 ppsm using this definition
I agree the suburban areas of metropolitan areas of the western US are generally more dense than their eastern counterparts. It illustrates how the country was developed and the topography of the areas. The East is very green with lots or rivers, creeks, lakes, etc while the West is more arid, dry, brown and mountainous which contains development in a more defined area. The East has cities, towns, villages all over the place with strong centers which are sometimes older than today’s main large metropolitan area of which the smaller cities and towns may consist. In the West, there are the major cities and then nothing – a more definitive cut off.
On original topic, the different sprawl in the US is complex but topography, jurisdiction boundary, time of development, etc are important parameters.