Originally Posted by phil235
Let me get this straight. You are complaining about a downtown tunnel only being used 4 hours per day, and then advocating a system that serves Scotiabank Place, which hosts maybe 100 events per year, usually in the evenings? And arguing that it would be more cost-effective to serve commuters in the low-density suburbs 20km from the core with LRT than to build in the more densely-populated central city?
Please tell me that you have nothing to do with transit planning.
(quote) “ And arguing that it would be more cost-effective to serve commuters in the low-density suburbs 20km from the core with LRT than to build in the more densely-populated central city?”
And why not?
There is a great cost to live in the suburbs! First of all, you need a two-car garage for two cars to go to work, take the kids to school, to soccer practice, to dance lessons, buy groceries and dentist appointments. Not only sewers and other infrastructures have to be installed and maintained but roads and highways have to be built and maintained.
Cars have to be purchased, insurance has to be paid, maintenance up kept and gas has to be purchased, as well as paying for parking and evenings out downtown. Municipalities and the Province has to build and maintain roads. There are great costs to suburban living and one way to alleviate these costs, for both the municipality and the residents, is to provide less expensive and possibly faster public transportation.
Gas-guzzling buses are now the dinosaurs of public transportation, just like transistor radios of a long time ago. Rapid non-gas vehicles are now considered the most cost-effective and user friendly way to move around in a built-up area. That’s what a LRT is all about
: to move people from one place to another without having to use an automobile.
To be cost-effective, a LRT must have a reasonable ridership, first of all, to travel at a certain speed and not have to stop too often.
This works exceptionally well between suburbs and a downtown core but not in the downtown core itself. People do not want to have to walk a klick or even half a klick when they get off the train. So they will not use the LRT train and there goes the ridership that helps to pay for the LRT to start with.
And then, the stops have to be close enough for the riders to appreciate public transportation to downtown. If they have walk in rain and snow to get to their place of work, they will take their cars and park near to here they want to go, even if it will cost them an arm and a leg to do so.
So, this is the biggest flaw of the DOTT: no foreseeable increase in ridership to help pay for the system and a great possibility of failure because it may not improve and possibly reduce the services that the present riders are having.
I would like to see a business plan for the presently planned DOTT that spells out succinctly the expected increase in ridership that will create the income to will help pay for this downtown tunnel financial venture.
There is a great possibility that this tunnel will turn out to be a Mirabel Airport White Elephant.
I would want the City planners to present a business plan presenting the various costs of building LRT between each of Barrhaven, Kanata and Orleans with expected ridership and to compare these with the present DOTT with insufficient ridership and unwarranted destination to where nobody lives nor want to go to at the present time.
We need to see a business plan that not only show the cost estimates but also the PRICE that taxpayers are expected to pay for he next 30 to 40 years. Don't forget that there is no private money involved. It's all taxpayers money: federal, provincial and municipal. Some people argue that they should not have to pay school taxes if they not longer have children going to school. How about paying for a $2.1 billion mostly tunnel through downtown that no one will care or even dare to use?