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Old Posted Jun 26, 2007, 3:07 PM
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Paris Transit Thread

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U/C

Extension to Creteil Point du Lac (2011)


Extension to Mairie de Montrouge (2012) and later to Bagneux
1 station, 1 km


extension to Proudhon-Gardinoux (2012) and later to Maire de'Aubervilliers
1 station (the whole 3 km of tunnel to Mairie d'Aubervilliers will be bored)


Automation (driverless) of line (2012)

PLANNED

Extension to Mairie de Saint Ouen
3 or 4 station, 5 km (2017)


Extension to Rosny-Bois-Perrier
5 or 6 stations, 5.7 km (2019)


Arc Express, Ring line in inner suburbs
About 60 km


RER

U/C

Nord+ : Heavy renovation of the nothern part of the line (2012)

PLANNED

extension to Mantes la Jolie
New tunnel of 6 km (2020)

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Old Posted Jun 26, 2007, 3:15 PM
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2006 ridership of metro lines

Opening of a new subway station : Olympiade.
This station serve the main chinatown of Paris, Tolbiac university...

Beautiful station, clean (obvious it is new), luminous.
But I don't like the provisional toll gates :ohno:

Actually the line 14 has 389,000 passengers per workday, with this new station the workday traffic is estimated at 410,000.
Note that the estimation are always underestimating.

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I learn some interesting fact, the real traffic of the line 14 is 100,000,000 journey.

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Better pictures by Metropole site. Here




According the website the ugly toll gates are only here for few month, after those will be remplaced by Météor type gate




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Old Posted Jun 26, 2007, 3:19 PM
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Dayum. When I see stations like that, I wonder why the hell the subway stations i have to use are so damn ugly.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2007, 6:22 AM
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Too bad it took so long to complete the extension. The first part of the line was launched nine years ago.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2007, 8:58 AM
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All photographs must be properly credited.
It was only two photographs, the first is me (Pictures 1 at 10). The second is author of the article in Metropole : Jeff :o) (All the other pictures) .
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2007, 9:36 AM
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Thanks for keeping us so up to date (need news maps of the RATP network soon)
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2007, 9:54 AM
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Nope the station Olympiade is integred at RATP map since the beginning of 2007.

The next new station of Paris metro will be Gennevilliers - Agnettes and Gennevilliers - Courtilles on the line 13, opening in 2008.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2007, 10:01 AM
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Feu vert au métrophérique. C'est un engagement qui pourrait peser lourd pour le projet de transports en commun le plus ambitieux de la région : hier, Nicolas Sarkozy a demandé de « construire le projet métrophérique ». Il s'agit de réaliser une ligne de métro autour de Paris reliant les trois départements limitrophes. Cela permettrait de soulager les lignes de métro et de RER, en voie de saturation complète. Evalué entre 5 et 10 milliards d'euros, ce projet colossal n'est pour l'instant qu'un voeu pieu. Reste à savoir si la déclaration de Nicolas Sarkozy sera suivie d'effet.
Source : Sébastien Ramnoux, June 27, 2007 http://www.leparisien.com/home/mavil...leid=276117385

This article, on the Parisien newspaper, say that the new french President want build Metropherique, the subway ring in inner suburbs. The estimated cost is between 5 and 10 billion €. This estimated traffic is 1 million passengers per day
Actually it is only a project but the RATP can begin the construction in 2010.
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I love the metro, when I was there all the signs were prepared with "Olympiades" on them but they had "Bibliotheque" covering them so when the station was opened they removed the cover. It is amazing that all estimates are underestimates, but the line was definitely busy, and so deep considering it has to be below all the other metro lines and sewers and whatnot. Here, all estimates are overestimates. If only transit were half as good here. Only the east coast comes close. By the way, what is going on with the Opera station?
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2007, 7:17 AM
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nice map of the entire Parisian network: http://62.193.249.109/stif
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Pictures of Paris metro

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A wealth of info about the Parisien network can be found here

http://media.trains-idf.net/index.php?/categories
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when I saw those figures, omg...

One single metro line in Paris carries more passengers than the whole public transport system in Melbourne

But how come my train is so crowded??
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2007, 6:18 PM
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In fact this is not the real ridership of these lines.
These numbers don't include lines transfert.

So a commuter who take the line 1 and change for the line 2 would be only include in line 1 traffic.
It is about the same thing for the subway station which count only the entrance.
So according official data Gare du Nord is the most used station but in reality it is not the case.
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If only transit were half as good here. Only the east coast comes close.
The US over all will never be able to have a transit system like Western Europe because
a)most of the US has a very low population density. Generally, only the northeast corridor has enough density to justify buidling such transit systems.
b)because of the socialistic tendencies of Europe the taxes there are many much much higher than here, thus creating more funding for urban projects.
c)Europe as a society is much older and has had much more time to develop. Yes the US is trying to catch up but with the suburban sprawl mindset of much of the country, I'm not holding my breath.
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The US over all will never be able to have a transit system like Western Europe because
a)most of the US has a very low population density. Generally, only the northeast corridor has enough density to justify buidling such transit systems.
b)because of the socialistic tendencies of Europe the taxes there are many much much higher than here, thus creating more funding for urban projects.
c)Europe as a society is much older and has had much more time to develop. Yes the US is trying to catch up but with the suburban sprawl mindset of much of the country, I'm not holding my breath.
Actually, in the distant future, it will be necessary to have a system like that of Europe so I wouldn't say never.
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^ The population of the US will increase by 33% by 2050, so you had better believe we're getting better transit. It's already started, with about 50 cities building light rail lines. Besides, NYC, Seattle, San Fran, are all building new subways.
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SF getting a new subway? I haven't heard that, not that I'm complaining. But anyway, I think Paris has got to have one of the best integrated transit systems in the world between the Metro and RER. But I guess no system is perfect.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2007, 10:44 AM
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Paris has some problepm due at a high growth of transit user.

In 2004 (I have only the number of 2004)
Metro = 7%
RER RATP = 9%

It is very high for a system with the ridership of Paris (Over the billion)
And the investments are too low for this high growth

This article in french is not so positive about the high user growth of Parisian transport

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Originally Posted by Metropole
La RATP multi-milliardaire 14 février 2007

La nouvelle ne surprendra sans doute pas grand monde, et en tout cas pas les 550 000 voyageurs quotidiens de la ligne , ni les presque 1,1 million que l’on recense tous les jours sur le . Mais comme cela va toujours mieux en le disant : vous êtes de plus en plus nombreux à voyager sur les réseaux RATP.

Confirmant la tendance structurelle à la hausse enregistrée depuis trois ans, l’année 2006 a battu de nouveaux records de trafic, a ainsi annoncé le PDG de la RATP, Pierre Mongin, en présentant les principaux résultats commerciaux de l’entreprise au Conseil d’Administration du 9 février.


A la station Châtelet, coeur du réseau parisien

D’autres détails devraient suivre lors de la présentation des comptes au prochain Conseil d’Administration, fin mars ; mais la RATP a d’ores et déjà comptabilisé 2,865 milliards de voyages l’an dernier, contre 2,813 milliards en 2005 (+1,9 %). Une croissance particulièrement sensible en fin d’année, puisque sur le seul mois de décembre, l’augmentation se chiffre à 2,6 % par rapport au mois de décembre 2005. L’effet combiné, sans doute, de la grille horaire renforcée sur la ligne 13 (entre 8 et 22 % de capacité supplémentaire depuis le 4 décembre), de la mise en service du tramway (le 17 décembre) dont la priorité aux carrefours a heureusement fini par devenir moins aléatoire, et de la prolongation du service d’une heure sur le métro les samedis et les veilles de fêtes (depuis le 23 décembre).

Preuve que, lorsque la collectivité peut leur offrir des transports efficaces, les citoyens ne demandent pas mieux que de s’en servir. Une démonstration également faite par Noctilien, le « réseau régional de bus nocturnes » dont la fréquentation a augmenté de plus de 40% l’an dernier, marqué par un nouveau renforcement du réseau. A contrario, le réseau Bus RATP dont l’offre a peu évolué l’an dernier (le gros des renforcements n’est intervenu que le 22 janvier 2007) affiche des résultats médiocres.

Reste que, de l’aveu même du PDG de la RATP fin janvier, « si l’entreprise doit se réjouir de ces bons résultats, cette hausse continue du trafic devient aussi son principal problème ». Car malgré quelques réalisations spectaculaires et largement médiatisées — comme le prolongement de la ligne à St-Lazare en 2003, et puis bien sûr le l’an dernier — le développement des infrastructures ne suit pas au même rythme. Le réseau ferré devient donc de plus en plus souvent exploité à ses limites, de plus en plus sensible au moindre incident et victime de surcharges de plus en plus marquées sur certains tronçons. La circulation devenue particulièrement précaire sur le ces trois derniers mois peut en témoigner.

Un motif de satisfaction cependant : le Schéma Directeur de la Région Île-de-France (en cours de finalisation) et le Plan de Déplacements de Paris (adopté ces jours-ci) reconnaissent ce besoin impérieux d’infrastructures nouvelles pour répondre à la croissance présente et future du trafic.


Pointe du soir à Charles de Gaulle-Etoile RER
Sur la ligne A (où l’affluence est encore plus spectaculaire le matin), il n’y a pas toujours de la place pour tout le monde...

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http://www.metro-pole.net/actu/article782.html
The saturation of the Parisian network is previous for 2020.
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