Crowchild Trail... Thoughts?

[jsbertram]

I would have expected the study area to include Crowchild to 17 Ave S, since any realigment of Crowchild Tr and Bow Tr for a new interchange would impact Scarboro too.

Fearless prediction:
Crowchild Tr over the Bow River will get a second bridge.

[SteveCo]

Originally Posted by Jack Doe

Some images from the Crowchild Trail Functional Planning Study. The study can be found at the Central Library (3rd or 4th Floor, I think)



The latest cost estimate I have seen for upgrading the section of Crowchild from Kensington to 24th to freeway standard is $333 million.

Wow. I wish had known of this study 8 years ago. The interchange at kensignton would basically leave my house the last one on my block, right under the overpass. I always suspected this, but it's really interesting to see the drawings. I know that the city already owns and rents out all the properties up to mine on westmount road, and have for a very long time.

I can totally understand the nimbyism associated with projects such as these, as it would probably reduce my property value. I will, however be moving at the end of the year, so I won't have to worry about it anymore.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by SteveCo

Wow. I wish had known of this study 8 years ago. The interchange at kensignton would basically leave my house the last one on my block, right under the overpass. I always suspected this, but it's really interesting to see the drawings. I know that the city already owns and rents out all the properties up to mine on westmount road, and have for a very long time.

I can totally understand the nimbyism associated with projects such as these, as it would probably reduce my property value. I will, however be moving at the end of the year, so I won't have to worry about it anymore.

You might have to worry if you sell & don't disclose to the new buyers that you know about this interchange that was proposed in the 1970s over (or near) the property. Even if this type of intersection doesn't get built, and even if your reason for selling has nothing to do with what you know about future Crowchild changes, if a similar Crowchild widening or new Crowchild intersections happens to them & it surprises them & it kills the value of the property, and then they (or their lawyers) find this thread .... You're ass could be dragged in front of a judge. You can't rely on 'client confidentiality' between you and your realtor, because everyone involved in the transaction has to show they made full disclosure.

Everyone reading here knows that if you buy within 5 blocks of Crowchild, you should be prepared for another round of expropriations to widen Crowchild from 24th Ave N to 24th Ave S sometime in the next few decades.

Even if you're just doing a flip & won't living in the area after a year (and you sell before the general public knows of the Crowchild expansion plans), because you know TODAY that Crowchild has potential for expansion which will effect the value of the property, you have to disclose what you know to the future buyers.


Caveat Emptor works both ways.

[polishavenger]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

You might have to worry if you sell & don't disclose to the new buyers that you know about this interchange that was proposed in the 1970s over (or near) the property. Even if this type of intersection doesn't get built, and even if your reason for selling has nothing to do with what you know about future Crowchild changes, if a similar Crowchild widening or new Crowchild intersections happens to them & it surprises them & it kills the value of the property, and then they (or their lawyers) find this thread .... You're ass could be dragged in front of a judge. You can't rely on 'client confidentiality' between you and your realtor, because everyone involved in the transaction has to show they made full disclosure.

Everyone reading here knows that if you buy within 5 blocks of Crowchild, you should be prepared for another round of expropriations to widen Crowchild from 24th Ave N to 24th Ave S sometime in the next few decades.

Even if you're just doing a flip & won't living in the area after a year (and you sell before the general public knows of the Crowchild expansion plans), because you know TODAY that Crowchild has potential for expansion which will effect the value of the property, you have to disclose what you know to the future buyers.


Caveat Emptor works both ways.

I dont think you need to disclose things that are public knowledge to a potential buyer. Anyone doing their proper due dilligence can easily find out what the plans are for interchanges in this area.

[Me&You]

Originally Posted by polishavenger

I dont think you need to disclose things that are public knowledge to a potential buyer. Anyone doing their proper due dilligence can easily find out what the plans are for interchanges in this area.

+1

Caveat Emptor is one thing, but so is due-diligence.

Back to the interchange plan - I don't see why 5th avenue couldn't be treated the same as 26th ave S and have a no-exit overpass built. 5th ave seems to be busy enough to warrant keeping it open for inter-neighborhood mobility.

[SteveCo]

Originally Posted by polishavenger

I dont think you need to disclose things that are public knowledge to a potential buyer. Anyone doing their proper due dilligence can easily find out what the plans are for interchanges in this area.

Well, the sale went through before I found this thread, so I did not have any prior knowledge. That being said, it was pretty obvious to me that an interchange was a possibility when I bought the house, and would be to any buyer who considered the location for more than 5 minutes.

I have to disclose any known issues with the building itself, but I'm pretty sure something like the possibility of major roadworks (planned 30 years ago, mind you) are not my responsibility.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by SteveCo

Well, the sale went through before I found this thread, so I did not have any prior knowledge. That being said, it was pretty obvious to me that an interchange was a possibility when I bought the house, and would be to any buyer who considered the location for more than 5 minutes.

I have to disclose any known issues with the building itself, but I'm pretty sure something like the possibility of major roadworks (planned 30 years ago, mind you) are not my responsibility.

This is moot now, since the deal is done & you say didn't know much (if anything) about Crowchild expansion before browsing this thread.

Any competent realtor should know about the potential for Crowchild expansion, and their realtor should have informed them (without killing the deal).

Even though this US interstate-style upgrade to Crowchild was soundly rejected by the neighbourhoods at the time - resulting in the incremental upgrade we have today - because the city is still holding the properties they bought for the upgrade that never happened, that is a clear indication to me that this 30-year-old proposal wasn't actually killed but instead put on hold to be revived in some other form.

It should be interesting to see how much of the new Crowchild planning is simply updates of the plans from the 60s and 70s.

[J-D]

The other bottleneck that I am sure most of you have encountered is the ramp to EB Glenmore from Crowchild S - I wonder if some of this could be alleviated with an overpass to EB Glenmore off Richard Rd?