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Chinese Build 15-Story Hotel In Just Six Days, Rest On Seventh

Chinese Build 15-Story Hotel In Just Six Days, Rest On Seventh


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Six days. That's how long it took to build this level 9 Earthquake-resistant, sound-proofed, thermal-insulated 15-story hotel in Changsha, complete with everything, from the cabling to three-pane windows. The foundations were already built, but it's just impressive.

- I just can't understand why every single building is not pre-made in factories first, for optimal energy, material and time savings, not to talk about a more efficient and cheaper end result and, in the case of the Ark Hotel, only 1% construction waste.



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Wait a minute. . . how the fuck do they expect people to get to these upper floors?!? Where are the fucking elevators?!? Where are the stairs??? Where's the HVAC??? Where's the plumbing??? Where's the electrical??? So the Chinese built the equivalent of an Erector set in six days?!? Useless!!!

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Yea I guess they could build an ESB in about 2 months at that rate, from the outside anyway.
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Now they'll spend the next 2 years fixing things.
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- I just can't understand why every single building is not pre-made in factories first, for optimal energy, material and time savings, not to talk about a more efficient and cheaper end result and, in the case of the Ark Hotel, only 1% construction waste.
Umm, maybe because we don't want our cities to consist of cheapo, prefab warehouse quality structures? Many Soviet commieblocks were constructed out of factory made concrete panels, look at how Soviet-built outskirts of cities appear because of it.
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^Actually, I'm sure most developers would want to do this to save costs. I'm also pretty certain that on a percentage basis of built floor space cheap-o prefab suburbia crap is way outweighing the rest of our built environment.

Just because it's prefab, doesn't mean a building can't have decent articulation and massing. This structure isn't pretty, but the concepts are useful in my opinion.
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Wait a minute. . . how the fuck do they expect people to get to these upper floors?!? Where are the fucking elevators?!? Where are the stairs??? Where's the HVAC??? Where's the plumbing??? Where's the electrical??? So the Chinese built the equivalent of an Erector set in six days?!? Useless!!!

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ha yup probabaly, see i work in this industry, its not possible to do all that in one wk, im sure, im a carpenter, it cant be possibly, too many things in the one, way to many things to hook up, connect and to consider, read the national building code, which i dont have a clue what china is like, i just cant see everything from bottom to top 100 percent done
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you probably could find a shit load of deficiencies at the end of the job, and everything must be up to code
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exactly, deficiencies
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maybe this whole thing is just a gimmick?
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Of course it's a gimmick. . . how do you get from floor to floor???
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This is not a gimmick, nor is it restricted just to China or new technology. Rather it's just a form of building called 'prefabricated', where its all built offsite (usually multiple factory produced units), and assembled when ready, in a couple of days (or hours almost). It was big in the UK in the 60s, when it really did signify cheap and nasty - and understandably died out. Now its back bigtime, with the majority of new build residentials in the cities built like this, and this time round alot better, safer and easier:

1960s prefabs:


www.corbisimages.com


1990s and 00s prefabs:


www.greenfab-media.com



www.exinteriordesign.com

Prefabricated operating theatres craned into the award winning Evelina Children's Hospital:


www.london-se1.co.uk

www.building.co.uk
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^Of course it's a gimmik. . . the video was merely to demonstrate that they could build the "shell" of this structure quickly using these specific building technique. . . nothing more nothing less. . . but to think that the Chinese are doing this on a grand scale or that what was pictured in the video was anything other than an unusable "shell" of a building is just silly. . .

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There are some benefits to prefab. Temperature controlled conditions during manufacturing, and less mistakes at the job-site. The drawbacks of course are limitations in design
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It's also good for making outdoor sets for a movie.
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Now they'll spend the next 2 years fixing things.
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exactly, deficiencies
What deficiencies will they spend the next 2 years fixing?

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^Of course it's a gimmik. . . the video was merely to demonstrate that they could build the "shell" of this structure quickly using these specific building technique. . . nothing more nothing less. . . but to think that the Chinese are doing this on a grand scale or that what was pictured in the video was anything other than an unusable "shell" of a building is just silly. . .

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It's a proof of concept. I don't understand what's useless about a building shell, since, like, every building has one. And why does it have to be done on a grand scale in order to be taken seriously? Last I checked, solar isn't done on a grand scale, so are advances in that "silly" as well?

6 days to put up a 15 story, earthquake-resistant, fully enclosed shell with 1% waste? Yeah, total yawner there...
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This is not a gimmick, nor is it restricted just to China or new technology. Rather it's just a form of building called 'prefabricated', where its all built offsite (usually multiple factory produced units), and assembled when ready, in a couple of days (or hours almost). It was big in the UK in the 60s, when it really did signify cheap and nasty - and understandably died out. Now its back bigtime, with the majority of new build residentials in the cities built like this, and this time round alot better, safer and easier:
Nice examples there; prefab in the US was also synonymous with cheap back then, but with CAD and computer-controlled fabrication these days, tolerances can be made incredibly tight. And as far as aesthetics, even the vast majority of "stick-built" construction looks prefab, so the examples you posted show just what potential there is.
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^Of course it's a gimmik. . . the video was merely to demonstrate that they could build the "shell" of this structure quickly using these specific building technique. . . nothing more nothing less. . . but to think that the Chinese are doing this on a grand scale or that what was pictured in the video was anything other than an unusable "shell" of a building is just silly. . .

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It's a gimmick right now, much like Modernism was a gimmick in the 1920's. If it gains momentum, this gimmick can develop into something very big, whether good or bad.
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yeah probably

Interesting way of building and such tho might really turn into a trend in low rise building projects.
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