Compass & Fare Gates Discussion | u/c - Page 73

Metro-One · #**1441** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 10:18 PM**

I would not be so sure....we have had trains for over 25 years now and they still don't understand the "let people exit first" concept of boarding trains.

incognism · #**1442** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 10:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I would not be so sure....we have had trains for over 25 years now and they still don't understand the "let people exit first" concept of boarding trains.

Nor have people figured out how to move to the back of the bus.

deasine · #**1443** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I would not be so sure....we have had trains for over 25 years now and they still don't understand the "let people exit first" concept of boarding trains.

Call me rude, but if they don't get out of the way, I just push through now.

twoNeurons · #**1444** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I would not be so sure....we have had trains for over 25 years now and they still don't understand the "let people exit first" concept of boarding trains.

I think they're getting better, though. It's really just education.

Announcements like this during rush hour would help:
"Incoming Train, please allow passengers to exit the train before getting on."

Metro-One · #**1445** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Call me rude, but if they don't get out of the way, I just push through now.

I do the exact same thing, in fact, once at waterfront arriving on the C-Line, the people were so rude pushing in not letting the train exit first (and the train was half full of people ready to exit!) that I extended my arms out the width of the train door and walked saying "Let people exit before your enter!"

I felt good about it after, hehe.

nname · #**1446** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 11:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I think they're getting better, though. It's really just education.

Announcements like this during rush hour would help:
"Incoming Train, please allow passengers to exit the train before getting on."

... and many people who are so concentrated on their phone and music that they can't hear the announcement and still stand in the way...

Prometheus · #**1447** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

...we have had trains for over 25 years now and they still don't understand the "let people exit first" concept of boarding trains.

Is this really true? I can't believe this is true. If people stand in front of the door, then don't those people get smashed into as people exit the train? And wouldn't a single experience of this be enough to grasp the patently obvious? I have never used Skytrain (except once as a kid in 1986, when it was a novelty).

In Toronto, everybody stands to the sides. (Where else would a non-retarded person stand?) Also, everyone stands to the right when not actively climbing an escalator.

SpongeG · #**1448** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 4:45 AM**

its bad, i see it everyday people stand right in the way they don't move to the side but they let people off - lol if they can get past the wall of people standing there its annoying

they really need to have some crowd control on the platform at broadway in the morning during the rush from like 7-9 am at least

i use it at that time and there is plently of staff hanging out on the street level doing nothing they aren't checking for fares they just stand there watching and talking to each other

get on the platform and do some crowd control at least

Prometheus · #**1449** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 4:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

they really need to have some crowd control on the platform at broadway in the morning during the rush from like 7-9 am at least

i use it at that time and there is plently of staff hanging out on the street level doing nothing they aren't checking for fares they just stand there watching and talking to each other

Are these the same guys who are reportedly making $30 per hour, courtesy of the tax payers?

twoNeurons · #**1450** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 8:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

its bad, i see it everyday people stand right in the way they don't move to the side but they let people off - lol if they can get past the wall of people standing there its annoying

It would help if we had consistent door openings. People get used to where they'd need to wait/stand and you could put floor markings. Vancouverites are actually really good at standing in line when they KNOW where to stand. Witness a bus boarding, most times, they will line up waiting for the bus, as opposed to sitting around milling around.

Yes, not everyone does, but the majority do.

I'm convinced that letting people off is less a problem of people pushing on, and more a problem of knowing where to be. When the train stops, people are in motion, all over the platform. They simply continue that motion when the train stops.

When things aren't predictable, little panic markers fire in the brain. Your survival instincts kick in and tell you... "GET ON THE TRAIN"

Okay, maybe I'm taking it a BIT far, but if you think about it, it DOES make sense. Unfortunately, until we retire the Expo Line trains, consistent stopping patterns are impossible.

Dave2 · #**1451** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 9:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I think they're getting better, though. It's really just education.

Announcements like this during rush hour would help:
"Incoming Train, please allow passengers to exit the train before getting on."

That message is also printed on the doors... and on the 'crawl' on the LCD screens (law of Skytrain Physics), no effect, those of us who already do that don't need the reminders; those who insist on boarding at Commercial the second the doors open don't absorb the reminders.

(Joy, "Leave the MK-II windows closed, FFS" season is approaching. )

Dave2 · #**1452** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 9:36 AM**

>and many people who are so concentrated on their phone and music that they can't hear the announcement

True story, on the 135. bus full, the driver decided that the Main St stop would be in front of the Carnegie Centre instead of the Shaw theatre, Of course, someone freaked when we passed the normal stop, she didn't hear the driver's instructions and was stuck until Commercial. In hindsight, I tend to side with her, you expect the bus to stop at its normal stop. OTOH, many stops (eg, Davie and Burrard) do move sometimes.. LOL, the driver then got on the PA, and said, "If you can't hear my announcements, please remove your ear buds"....

Dave2 · #**1453** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 9:49 AM**

[QUOTE=Prometheus;5648373]Is this really true? I can't believe this is true. If people stand in front of the door, then don't those people get smashed into as people exit the train? And wouldn't a single experience of this be enough to grasp the patently obvious? I have never used Skytrain (except once as a kid in 1986, when it was a novelty).

To quote Madeline Kahn in Blazing Saddles, it's true, it's true. If I'm in the door, I'll step off, but many don't, even at Broadway. (and yes, I'm guilty of deliberately brushing against someone blocking the door of an MK-1.)

Which is why I can't see bi-directional paddle gates working.. If people can't walk on the #*&&@*@ right half of the mezzanine...

Pinion · #**1454** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 11:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

Is this really true? I can't believe this is true. If people stand in front of the door, then don't those people get smashed into as people exit the train? And wouldn't a single experience of this be enough to grasp the patently obvious? I have never used Skytrain (except once as a kid in 1986, when it was a novelty).

In Toronto, everybody stands to the sides. (Where else would a non-retarded person stand?) Also, everyone stands to the right when not actively climbing an escalator.

It's not only true but happens nearly every time from my experience. When I worked evenings near Stadium station I'd say "please let people exit" then just lower my shoulders and plow through people as it was my only way of getting out of the station. If I wasn't a hefty guy I'm not sure what I would do.

Lack of basic consideration for fellow travellers is one of the main reasons why I succumbed and bought a car again after five years of public transit. As gas prices tick up I dread the idea of having to go back to it.

DKaz · #**1455** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 2:13 PM**

I find Canada Line passengers to be the most courteous. At Waterfront Station I usually see 12 lineups to get onto the train, two for each door, on either side of the door. There's the rare occasion where you get one or multiple persons who can't grasp the simple concept of courtesy.

Expo/Millenium Line you don't see the same lineups but when you have four different types of train configuration it's hard to do so. Most people still let people off before they get on.

I do think this is blown a bit out of proportion, not like people who crowd the first half of the bus which I deal with on a DAILY BASIS.

dreambrother808 · #**1456** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

I do think this is blown a bit out of proportion, not like people who crowd the first half of the bus which I deal with on a DAILY BASIS.

Agreed. I find that people generally let others exit before entering. I tend not to travel at peak times though so maybe that is the distinction.

As for crowding the first half of the bus, I hate it when the driver repeatedly asks people to move to the back and they just stand there with blank looks on their faces or clinging to their position near the doors even though their stop is eons away. I abhor snobbery but at those moments I seriously worry about the intelligence of the general population in relation to my own.

s211 · #**1457** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Announcements like this during rush hour would help:
"Incoming Train, please allow passengers to exit the train before getting on."

As long as the message is multi-lingual!

SpongeG · #**1458** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 7:30 PM**

what i also run into - is when the train is so packed that people near the doors will step off the train to let people off but there are people in the way and they are pushing their way on at the same time so a person doing a good deed than has to push their way back on

Mac Write · #**1459** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 9:41 PM**

I let people off first (when I can see people getting off, due to my vision it can look clear, but then someone is getting off). but then while I am doing that others are rushing in and the only seat I need as a disabled person is taken by that person who was rushing on before everyone gets off, so I sometimes have to get on (going around the people getting off) since I won't be able to get the seat. That really pisses me of. I am super polite (holding doors etc) yet I can't be on the SkyTrain.

Since the Canada Line only has one train stock, why not put markers not the platform for where the doors are? Or would people then ask for them for the SkyTrain as well?

Metro-One · #**1460** Posted: **Mar 31, 2012, 9:47 PM**

If you are disabled then people sitting in the priority seats should get up for you, and if they don't, publicly humiliate them by pointing to the priority signs.

I always get up for disabled and elderly people, even if I am not in the priority seats.

And if there are discarded newspapers near where I am sitting, I always pick them up and put them in the recycling, Not very hard to do, but many here seem unable to master such civility.

I will admit that the Canada Line is finally getting better at letting people off first (taken a long time), but there are still too many rude individuals who don't understand such a simple rule, but the expo and M lines are hopeless.