Compass & Fare Gates Discussion | u/c

[ryanmaccdn]

Originally Posted by McPaul

I've only spent less than a year here, but I always thought those "emergency exit" stairs were simply general purpose stairs. I see them used at many stations. are they actually supposed to be only for emergency? are they locked or alarmed doors?

I find that they are pretty clear that they are emergency exits..... no?

Most are alarmed but have fallen into disrepair.... although the sweet justice here with the compass card will be when whomever decidedes to use them they will be dinged the full price trip instead of tapping out and getting the cheaper.

One thing that really grinds my gears are people who open the windows on Mark 2 trains..... I just about punched a lady the other day.

Clearly people don't understand the fundamentals on how AC works.

Why they didn't just lock the windows out is beyond me. Stupid stickers mean nothing.

[DKaz]

It's usually around 15 and 45 past the hour when outbound trains full of transfers from the West Coast Express rush in. It's not bad if the outbound train arrives midway between the inbound trains, but when they arrive at the same time, it's chaotic.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Because if you exit that way you don't scan out you would get dinged the maxinum amount, people learn pretty quick when it starts costing money.

Ah yes, of course. I was thinking that they use that door to enter the station (as those doors at propped open in many stations). I don't know how Compass will deal with passengers who only tap out. Then again, you could just exit through the emergency stairs at your destination.

[jlousa]

I agree about the opening go windows in the mk2 cars if you open the window the cold air from the ac blows straight out the window and it ends up working harder and actually dumps more heat into the train. I understand the need to al ow the windows to open though in case of smoke for I instance. So we can't lock them out but we could have them buzzered which would stop people leaving them open.

[DKaz]

Lol, my mother in law. When she's in my car sometimes, she'll open the window on a hot day. I immediately turn the A/C off because I am not wasting gas to cool the air just to dump it outside. You'd think she'd learn why it's taking so long to cool the cabin temperature down to a reasonable temperature.

[GeeCee]

What happens on other farecard systems if you tap in one station and then tap back out at the same station for some reason?

[DKaz]

In Japan, the gate didn't let me through. lol. I lied to the attendant, said I forgot my phone at home. Really I just went to see my girlfriend at another station on her way home from work. I think he charged me 130 yen, the cost of travelling from the next station over.

[nname]

Usually, if you exit within a short amount of time (around 15min), they'll charge a minimum fare. If it take longer, you'll have to go see an attendant.

[incognism]

For HK's MTR, if you tap-in and tap-out at the same station within 20 minutes, you get charged the minimum charge (3.8HKD / about 50 cents CAD). After 20 minutes, it's 10HKD.

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by DKaz

It's usually around 15 and 45 past the hour when outbound trains full of transfers from the West Coast Express rush in. It's not bad if the outbound train arrives midway between the inbound trains, but when they arrive at the same time, it's chaotic.

And if one escalator is not moving (but walkable)... if one escalator is unwalkable, or someone's standing on the left side, it get's congested.... that's when the Burrard exit stairs doors are propped open.

(Sidebar... the "Stand Right, Walk Left" signs have disappeared. And the short-lived talking escalators said "Do not walk"... (and "face forward", "stand in middle of step"... but not "do not run up the down escalator".. which I've seen a few times)

At Burrard, if I'm at the rear of the pack, I'll choose 'stand right', rather than join the slow moving walkers on the left. If I win the gold medal and am the first one to the escalators, walk up)

Department store escalators don't seem to be out of service for weeks at a time. I suspect all that walking is harder on transit escalators. Maybe this would help http://youtu.be/lF0ZZg-jxfs?t=25s

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

I find that they are pretty clear that they are emergency exits..... no?

Most are alarmed but have fallen into disrepair.... although the sweet justice here with the compass card will be when whomever decidedes to use them they will be dinged the full price trip instead of tapping out and getting the cheaper.

One thing that really grinds my gears are people who open the windows on Mark 2 trains..... I just about punched a lady the other day.

Clearly people don't understand the fundamentals on how AC works.

Why they didn't just lock the windows out is beyond me. Stupid stickers mean nothing.

Today I noticed some avoided the crowd by using the stairs... and no alarm! Not surprising considering those stairs were open for 6 months when the elevator was unavailable.

A/C on MK-II.. That time of year again Changing the wording on the windows made little difference. How about "Fine for opening"

[ryanmaccdn]

Originally Posted by Dave2

And if one escalator is not moving (but walkable)... if one escalator is unwalkable, or someone's standing on the left side, it get's congested.... that's when the Burrard exit stairs doors are propped open.

(Sidebar... the "Stand Right, Walk Left" signs have disappeared. And the short-lived talking escalators said "Do not walk"... (and "face forward", "stand in middle of step"... but not "do not run up the down escalator".. which I've seen a few times)

At Burrard, if I'm at the rear of the pack, I'll choose 'stand right', rather than join the slow moving walkers on the left. If I win the gold medal and am the first one to the escalators, walk up)

Department store escalators don't seem to be out of service for weeks at a time. I suspect all that walking is harder on transit escalators. Maybe this would help http://youtu.be/lF0ZZg-jxfs?t=25s





Today I noticed some avoided the crowd by using the stairs... and no alarm! Not surprising considering those stairs were open for 6 months when the elevator was unavailable.

A/C on MK-II.. That time of year again Changing the wording on the windows made little difference. How about "Fine for opening"

Department store escalators are service by private companies......

I think the Skytrain escalators are serviced by union employees... AKA no work after the 9-5 day (umm why would work happen during peak) and it takes 4 guys making 75,000$ a yr to fix a single escalator.... one guy works and the others are talking and shit.

WTF

[Metro-One]

And contractors show up for 1 day, get a job half done, and don't return for 2 weeks Oh, and to save costs they cut corners on equipment, while they low-ball each other.

Again, elevator and escalator mechanics are another group of people where I sure hope they are getting paid well, our lives depend on them

[dreambrother808]

Also, unless you have experience working a specific job, you don't really know what's going on.

[st7860]

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

Department store escalators are service by private companies......

I think the Skytrain escalators are serviced by union employees... AKA no work after the 9-5 day (umm why would work happen during peak) and it takes 4 guys making 75,000$ a yr to fix a single escalator.... one guy works and the others are talking and shit.

WTF

I hereby and solemnly declare +1

[SpongeG]

they finally fixed the lougheed escalator - it was more than a week without the up escalator

they seem to have moved onto brentwood now with the escalator westbound all blocked off

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

they finally fixed the lougheed escalator - it was more than a week without the up escalator

they seem to have moved onto brentwood now with the escalator westbound all blocked off

It seems like every escalator (at least the ones I use) are torn down for a complete rebuild every two years or so...

[Waders]

Originally Posted by Dave2

It seems like every escalator (at least the ones I use) are torn down for a complete rebuild every two years or so...

Maintenance of the Metrotown station's escalator is quite frequent due to its heavy usage.
If I remembered correctly, it must have been done at least twice within the last year. The narrow stair would get divided into the up side and the down side using yellow strips. You can imagine how bad the human traffic jam was when multiple trains arrived at the station.

[quobobo]

Originally Posted by Waders

Maintenance of the Metrotown station's escalator is quite frequent due to its heavy usage.
If I remembered correctly, it must have been done at least twice within the last year. The narrow stair would get divided into the up side and the down side using yellow strips. You can imagine how bad the human traffic jam was when multiple trains arrived at the station.

Holy hell that station is badly designed for the number of people who use it. It's incredibly congested when the escalator is shut down, and the skyway is far too narrow.

The tiny stairs right at the south end of the skyway always cause people to slow down and congest the skyway. Not to mention how the lines for the ticket machines get in the way of the natural flow through the station.

Adding gates to that station is going to be a big pain without major renovations.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by quobobo

Holy hell that station is badly designed for the number of people who use it. It's incredibly congested when the escalator is shut down, and the skyway is far too narrow.

The tiny stairs right at the south end of the skyway always cause people to slow down and congest the skyway. Not to mention how the lines for the ticket machines get in the way of the natural flow through the station.

Adding gates to that station is going to be a big pain without major renovations.

It's a good thing then that they're not going to add faregates to the station before doing major renovations, then!

[SpongeG]

it was built before there was even the thought of the second mall, eaton centre, only when they added eaton centre did they add the overpass - before people had to walk down the street to get the mall

people always use the emergency exits on the west side of the station to avoid the other cramped side