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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 7:47 PM
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Title Insurance Building across from Spring St Park to be 250 condos

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^ What a fortuitous coincidence! I was walking by that building just last night with a friend and we both wondered aloud if the office floors were occupied or not. 250 units is quite a few, and will be another shot in the arm for an area that's already very vibrant. Add to that a hotel next door, and the conversion of the Banco Popular building at 4th and Spring, and that area will, dare I say, finally be at the "critcal mass" we're always so fond of talking about.

Now if they would only start working on the park across the street. Demo is done, but it's been sitting dormant for several months. When it comes to doing things in a timely matter, the City is the absolute worst.

And welcome to the forum, AlpineM3! Glad you enjoyed downtown. It's not a bad little corner of the world.
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 8:28 PM
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And when all of these buildings fill up, and the high-end retail concept is built on 4th and Broadway, those two surface lots on 4th and Spring will start to look very attractive to developers.
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Sounds good. I wonder how many units the hotel will have.
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 9:20 PM
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Hey everyone! Just joined the forum and thought i'd chime in since I was bar hopping last night in Downtown which also so happened to be during Fiesta Broadway.

Like I said, I just joined this forum (have trolled for a while) and have done so with many other sites that relate to Downtown's revival, Needless to say I get excited about all of the projects so i've been traveling to DT (live in SB county) to get a looksie for myself and see what the real story is.

I'm 29 and granted, can't go too far back, but i've never really been able to do what I have been lately DT. Walking around (somewhat comfortably), seeing a mix of older and younger crowd (mixed nationalities) walking around, going to dinner, walking their dogs etc......never in my life did I think i'd be hanging out DT, much less bar hopping and enjoying myself. Sure the L.A live complex and immediately surrounding areas are nice and new, but my main focus is true DT. Broadway, Grand, Hill, Spring, all areas i've walked up and down on and are somewhat impressed with. Progression is slow, but noticeable. Many buildings receiving the love they deserved, but we have a Loooooong way to go so it kind of still gets me angry at the negligence the city had for a very long time. It is actually quite appalling and infuriating looking at the existing structures, let alone if one begins to envision the structures they tore down, but that is a topic for another thread.

DT's revival is on the right track and the hype is legit....there is definitely a noir feel to DT especially when sipping on an Old Fashioned whilst smoking a cigar in the patio of the 7 Grand whiskey bar on the second floor, enjoying the sights and sounds in the middle of all the beautiful buildings, imagining what it was really like back in the 20's and 30's.

Or you can have an ultra modern vodka bar with a vodka freezer (highly recommended to check out!) down the street and have a completely different perspective on what a modern DT could be like.

I travel to Chicago quite a bit to visit my gf (I know I know, long distance relationship's don't work yada yada yada yada) and hate to compare Downtown's because both cities are vastly different, but can't help but wish ours was like theirs. Granted, never been to NY so I can't speak of or for NY, but Chicago's Downtown is gorgeous, clean and has a perfect blend of old architecture mixed in with ultra modern High rises (Trump Tower is impressive). Needless to say, not impressed with the surrounding areas or the lack of scenery (nothing but flat land), but Downtown is nice. Kudos to them for it!

But you see, nothing is ever perfect and i'm ok with it......just as beautiful as Chitown's DT can be, I wouldn't trade it for L.A's ever! The sun shining through the buildings, visible palm trees, the melting pot of nationalities.....L.A is everything we all want and like and maybe that's why it can never be compared to anything or will ever be like any other city, and that's ok. The minute I begin to want an intense, white collar atmosphere DT with super high modern buildings, I feel the urge to get a taco at King Taco on 3rd street and i'm perfectly happily how things are situated because you can't do that anywhere else.

I've ranted on for far too long and maybe bored some of you, but as a fellow Angelino and avid DT goer, their is definitely a different feel to DT and the future looks bright. Statistics prove it with population on the rise, projects on the table and the want from people like yourselves and I.

I love what you guys are doing with this thread and look forward to the continued updates on anything L.A!
Very nice sentiments and a good grasp of the current situation.

One of the most common problems with newly arrived commenters is that they want LA to be more like NY or DC or Tokyo or whatever. This is the last thing that most LA people want: they came here because they reject those models. Instead they are building their own model, based on what the people here want, not what city builders from the 17th or 18th century thought a proper city should be.

Of course, this does not mean that if a city finds an efficient or convenient way of doing things that it can't be adopted for local use. But only if it fits the LA style and direction.
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 10:38 PM
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Very nice sentiments and a good grasp of the current situation.

One of the most common problems with newly arrived commenters is that they want LA to be more like NY or DC or Tokyo or whatever. This is the last thing that most LA people want: they came here because they reject those models. Instead they are building their own model, based on what the people here want, not what city builders from the 17th or 18th century thought a proper city should be.

Of course, this does not mean that if a city finds an efficient or convenient way of doing things that it can't be adopted for local use. But only if it fits the LA style and direction.
Thanks! I imagine you can tell i'm very passionate about this subject and the city of L.A. I've tried to do my homework on the city, but what better way than to see it for oneself.

I couldn't agree with you more about the vision for DT..... Again, my example was Chicago because not even Seattle felt so claustrophobic. I read somewhere that early engineers designed the city of L.A the way it is in trying to avoid the feeling of having "Tunnel Vision" when walking the streets. I'm sure a lot had to do with the Height restriction they had in place, but interesting ideology nonetheless.....can't say I disagree though.

Unfortunately still, the bad outweighs the good in terms of cleanliness and much needed attention. There are still way too many homeless people roaming the streets. B-S jewerly marts and discount stores everywhere (hate them!) and one too many run down buildings that I can imagine looked incredible in their heyday such as the Warner Bros. Theatre that hosts a Jewelry business. I have a better understanding than most about DT and value the history and the rich architecture DT does have to offer, but again, most won't recognize this or care for that matter and will come off with a bad impression of the city thus the negative comments and or bad mouthing of the city.

As patient and excited one can be with the progression, it still puzzles me today how we had such a complex rail system in place and completely had it go to waste and now are crying for it. I passed the Grand Central station building near Pershing square on my walk last night, which so happens to still have the original underground railroad tracks in place (now made into a housing building with beautiful lofts) and the Union building (now The Union Lofts) which had an above the street type platformed rail system going in and out of it like they have in Chicago and NY. Absolutely pisses me off that they tyrants of the era (they shall remain nameless ........ahem mainly GM), bought the rail companies in light of pushing the automobile. Makes me want to puke with disgust

I will try and be all of your eyes and ears and post pics from time to time....fortunately business is great, but keeps me insanely busy so my time is scarce, but will do my best to take pictures of storied buildings and their renovation stages.

One last cool thing to add....as I walked to the lot I was parked at (on hill and 9th street I believe) and arrived at my car. I began to think how cool the feeling was to walk DT etc.....as I was doing so, I noticed a bright neon sign flashing on a building above in front of me. The Orpheum Theatre's neon sign (was facing Hill street and not too sure if it also faces Broadway on which the theatre is located on) was flashing and was bright and beautiful as the day it was first lit up I bet. Really set me back and put a smile on my face to know that the cities revival is truly headed in the right direction since we have to begin with the existing gems we have left and build around them. Needless to say, was a great recap to a wonderful day in the city of Angels.
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 11:12 PM
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Great article on a Downtown business

If you read this interview, you will see why Downtown is such a unique place in this great city of Los Angeles. These are two guys who had an idea...and they have created a great gathering place...with a mother's family dream. When I hear about all the criticism about LA, I remember how many people I know have come west for a new start. Check it out. Downtown is a great place with a real community.

http://www.backyardbite.com/2012/04/...n-los-angeles/
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 11:31 PM
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^ I'll have to try the Pie Hole. Looks amazing. Here's another article on downtown business developments from the Los Angeles Business Journal that may have a material affect on downtown development someday. And signals a confidence in the LA office market to boot:

St. Louis Real Estate Brokerage Opens Office Downtown

By JACQUELYN RYAN
Monday, April 30, 2012

Commercial real estate investment and services company Cassidy Turley Inc. is opening its first Los Angeles office today and has hired away four brokers from Transwestern’s downtown office to do so.

The St. Louis-based real estate company employs about 3,500 people in more than 60 offices nationwide with clients including JP Morgan Chase & Co. and H&R Block.

Former Transwestern Executive Managing Director Jonathan Larsen will head the new Cassidy office, which is slated to open April 30 in the Bank of America Plaza at 333 S. Hope St. Suzanne Lee, Eric Moore and Katie Bernhisel, all formerly of Transwestern, will join Larsen in the new office.

Mark Burkhart, Cassidy Turley’s chief executive, said the company intends to expand with several more brokers in the downtown office as well as new offices across Los Angeles and Orange counties in the next year.

Transwestern has not yet announced any successors

Article credit: http://labusinessjournal.com/news/20...office-downto/
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If the Angels do move or the Dodgers need a secondary playing field, AEG or whoever is gonna run the stadium, could easily configure the field to accommodate both football or baseball. and since neither of their seasons overlap, unless both teams are in the playoffs, hosting two different teams from two different sports makes very good sense. and adds to the amount of time the stadium will be used.
Umm, no. That experiment stopped being popular a long time ago (see: the 1960s). Baseball-only and Football-only facilities are the only ones being built. The sight-lines, dimensions, etc don't make sense to house both.
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Old Posted: May 1, 2012, 12:15 AM
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That would be interesting: two baseball stadiums, a football field and basketball and hockey arena within blocks of each other, in the most congested part of town, in a city that has miles of half-empty space just a few blocks north or east of there.
About half of downtown is otherwise worthless industrial place. Even if the NFL did ultimately move to the Famer's Field site, I don't see why the Angels couldn't figure out a way to build a stadium somewhere in the southeastern quadrant of DTLA or next to the LA River.
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If you read this interview, you will see why Downtown is such a unique place in this great city of Los Angeles. These are two guys who had an idea...and they have created a great gathering place...with a mother's family dream. When I hear about all the criticism about LA, I remember how many people I know have come west for a new start. Check it out. Downtown is a great place with a real community.

http://www.backyardbite.com/2012/04/...n-los-angeles/
Love the Pie Hole. That whole stretch of Traction Ave is looking really good lately. Zip Fusion Sushi is covered in a new mural, several other big murals have appeared on other buildings, and I believe there's a new restaurant or two. Also not too far away you have Handsome Coffee Roasters and LALA Gallery.

I'm so torn on where we should buy downtown. Arts District has such a cool Pearl District-esque vibe, but the Historic Core has better transit and is more the "heart" of DTLA. We shall see.
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If the Angels do move or the Dodgers need a secondary playing field, AEG or whoever is gonna run the stadium, could easily configure the field to accommodate both football or baseball. and since neither of their seasons overlap, unless both teams are in the playoffs, hosting two different teams from two different sports makes very good sense. and adds to the amount of time the stadium will be used.
Nah. They don't do that anymore for a variety of reasons. That's absolutely not going to happen. Plus the seasons do overlap slightly and can overlap significantly since baseball playoffs go into October which is mid-season for football.
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Title Insurance Building across from Spring St Park to be 250 condos

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/c...9bb2963f4.html
Nice! I love this building! It's so well preserved. Also, 250 condos is nothing to sneeze at. That is, like 400 more people walking the streets of downtown. I am curious to hear more about the hotel next door, though....
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Nah. It's sprawl and automobile usage and backwards city planning. Please don't cover for LA's poor environmental record with long established myths about tongva era 'smog'. Its attitudes like this that keep LA backward under the illusion we are developed and progressive city. We are not. We need work.
In spring and early summer, what many people mistake for smog is actually marine layer---common in areas with Mediterranean climates. You see the same white haze in coastal areas of Spain, Greece, etc.

But hey, if it's brown, then yeah, it's smog. Unfortunately, the marine layer does mix with air pollution.
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Just realized, weren't we planning on having a forum meet when the Expo Line opened? Ooops.
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Love the Pie Hole. That whole stretch of Traction Ave is looking really good lately. Zip Fusion Sushi is covered in a new mural, several other big murals have appeared on other buildings, and I believe there's a new restaurant or two. Also not too far away you have Handsome Coffee Roasters and LALA Gallery.

I'm so torn on where we should buy downtown. Arts District has such a cool Pearl District-esque vibe, but the Historic Core has better transit and is more the "heart" of DTLA. We shall see.
if you need a downtown realtor, ill be happy to help!
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Nice! I love this building! It's so well preserved. Also, 250 condos is nothing to sneeze at. That is, like 400 more people walking the streets of downtown. I am curious to hear more about the hotel next door, though....
Good news, what a wonderful building!
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Feel the same way. Moving back soon to LA and can't decide. I'm so use to taking the subway, bus, walking where I'm at now, and while I have friends in the arts dist. and like the calmer vibe, it seems you kind of still need a car, which is the exact reason I am moving to DT, so I don't need one. But if you are buying, it may be smarter for the AD, as your investment profits will probably be better. It's cheaper and definitely on the rise. Also, there were renderings for the red line to continue there, but that could be a longtime coming
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