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Trinity says it’s time for residential in Hudson Square

By Lincoln Anderson
February 10 - 16, 2011


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Calling Hudson Square’s zoning “outmoded,” Trinity Real Estate wants to rezone a major portion of the district to allow residential use.

With the change, Trinity expects 3,000 to 3,500 new residential apartments over ten years would be added to the neighborhood — not counting the district’s few existing legal residential units.

The plan’s centerpiece is a new, 429-foot-tall, residential tower at Duarte Square, on property owned by Trinity. Helping alleviate local school overcrowding, a 420-seat, K-to-5 public school would be included in the tower’s base. Trinity would build out the school’s raw space for the Department of Education.

Currently, residential use and schools are not allowed in Hudson Square’s M1-6 (manufacturing zoned) district. Neither are cultural uses currently permitted.

Tonight, Thursday, Trinity Real Estate will present the rezoning concept plan to Community Board 2’s Land Use and Business Development Committee. Three days earlier, Trinity gave The Villager an exclusive advance presentation.

...In addition, Trinity is seeking height caps for new construction in Hudson Square. The caps are being described as “a modest downzoning.”

Along wide streets, like Canal, Hudson and Varick and Sixth Ave., there would be a height cap of 320 feet, or 32 stories. For commercial use, the maximum floor area ratio, or F.A.R. (which determines how much square footage can be built.) would be 10, with current bonuses for including public plazas and arcades eliminated.

On these wide streets, residential F.A.R. would be 9, which would get a bump up to 12 F.A.R. with the inclusion of 20 percent affordable housing.

Currently, the whole district’s F.A.R. ranges from 10 to 12. Plus, there’s no height limit — which is how the Trump Soho condo-hotel could be built to 490 feet, equivalent to 49 stories, by acquiring air rights from adjacent buildings and using a plaza bonus.

On narrow streets, like Greenwich and Spring Sts., and other east-west streets, the height cap would be 185 feet, about 18 stories, and on mid blocks the F.A.R. would be lowered from the current 10 to 6.5, but could rise to 8.5 with affordable housing included.

On Broome and Watts Sts., however, the F.A.R. would be even lower, 5.4, but could rise to 7.2 with the affordable-housing bonus. The height cap would be about 12 stories.

The tower Trinity hopes to build at Duarte Square — at the wide-streets intersection of Canal and Varick Sts. and Sixth Ave. — at 429 feet would be taller than other new construction. The public school in it would occupy four stories and be 100,000 square feet, and would not count toward the project’s F.A.R. Trinity would build out the school’s core and shell — and then give the space to the city for free — and rent free, for perpetuity.

Trinity is also obligated to build a park on part of the property at Duarte Square as part of the development.


A prime concern of Trinity is to preserve the jobs of current commercial tenants. Under the scheme, existing buildings of more than 50,000 square feet could not be residentially converted. If a commercial building of more than 50,000 square feet were demolished, then there would have to be a “1-to-1 replacement” in the new building — meaning it would have to have at least 50,000 square feet of commercial space. Buildings less than 50,000 square feet could be residentially converted, and the expectation is that many would be. According to Trinity, under the rezoning, about 90 percent of the existing square footage in the neighborhood would be preserved as is.

Also, under the proposed change, new nightclubs would not be allowed to open in Hudson Square. Big-box stores would be banned, as well, with an exception for supermarkets.

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Old Posted Feb 11, 2011, 11:33 PM
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Trinity Real Estate Reveals Plans for Hudson Square



By: Chris Rovzar
2/11/11

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The real estate wing of Trinity Church, which was deeded much of the land in lower Manhatten by Queen Anne in 1705, has unveiled its master plan to turn the western end of Soho into an actual 24-hour neighborhood. Currently, only 4 percent of the space in the area is residential. With the addition of 3,000 to 3,500 new apartments, they hope to boost that number up to 25 percent.

This will require rezoning (the area is almost entirely set off for commercial use), and they've taken their plan to Community Board 2's Land Use and Business Development Committee. They also want to put a cap on the height of new buildings (so we don't get any more Trump Sohos protruding out like a middle finger), block any big box stores from coming into the neighborhood (except supermarkets), and prevent the intrusion of any new nightclubs.

The cornerstone of their plan is a new 429-foot tall tower in the sweeping empty space between Sixth Avenue and Varick Street, just above Canal.

To avoid putting pressure on already overloaded neighborhood schools, Trinity hopes to build a 420-child school in the base of this building and lease it to the Department of Education, for free and forever. Also, in an effort to be nice, they plan on building a park in Duarte Square, which is this really desolate stretch of pavement that I walk by every day on the way to work and never understand.
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I wonder when Trinity palns to start this tower. The real estate market could sustain it now.
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NYC never ceases to amaze me, once we finish one wave of towers a new set of construction is always there to replace them.
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i just thought the same, so many new proposals in the last week, it's quite amazing giving the current economy.
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I really, honestly don't think it's that unbelievable anymore. We have a bull stock market, manufacturing is way up, the recovery is self-sustaining, more and more jobs are being added each month, and people are beginning to spend money and have confidence again. All of those, combined with a tax cut from Washington soon enough is already showing up with these proposals. These proposals are signs of a lot, but most of all they are signs of confidence.
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I agree. You're seeing this phenomenon in multiple strong cities throughout the US.

That school looks sick. I hope the rest of the tower is quality as well.
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The base looks sweet. We need more cool looking bases like these... *cough* Beekman *cough*
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^^ The base of the beekman tower doesnt need a flashy design, it needs a simple and practical design, since a school is located wihtin it. ( imo )
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Woah, that looks really cool. I hope to see the rest of the building soon.
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NYC never ceases to amaze me, once we finish one wave of towers a new set of construction is always there to replace them.
This is just the beginning of the thaw. I believe we haven't seen anything yet. The new wave will be amzing.
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^^ The base of the beekman tower doesnt need a flashy design, it needs a simple and practical design, since a school is located wihtin it. ( imo )
"To avoid putting pressure on already overloaded neighborhood schools, Trinity hopes to build a 420-child school in the base of this building and lease it to the Department of Education, for free and forever."

I just thought flashy base designs like these always make a building stand out even more, especially when walking about. Not just looking at the building through pictures of the best parts.
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I predict this decade as the next construction boom in NYC. Hudson Railyards, Downtown Brooklyn, Queens and so many other sites. It seems nowadays any location in NY can surprisingly sprout a skyscraper.
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Trinity uncorks plan to liven up Hudson Sq.
Big landlord seeks rezoning to allow more residential buildings and as many as 3,500 apartments in the neighborhood; eyes construction of a 429-foot-tall tower.


February 15, 2011
By Theresa Agovino

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Trinity Real Estate took its first step last week toward realizing its long-stated ambition of creating more of a 24/7 community in Hudson Square by unveiling a rezoning proposal and a plan to build a residential building in the neighborhood.

Currently, residential development is not allowed in an approximately 18-block area in Manhattan's Community Board 2, although there are some people living in the area just north of the entrance to the Holland Tunnel.

The goal of the rezoning is to have nearly a quarter of the square footage be dedicated to residential use, up from a mere 4% or so now, according to Erin Roeder, vice president for Neighborhood Development for Trinity. She estimates the change would mean adding anywhere from 3,000 to 3,500 apartments.

To help kick start the residential development, Trinity proposed construction of a 429-foot residential tower on a site it owns at Duarte Square. The building would include a school that Trinity would allow the city to use, rent free.


The goal is not to transform Hudson Square, bounded by Sixth Avenue to the west, Houston Street on the north and Canal Street on the south, into a residential neighborhood. Instead, Trinity aims to bring more life to the neighborhood for the benefit of the company's commercial tenants. It owns about 6 million square feet in the neighborhood, which was once the hub of the printing industry. However, over the years, Trinity has renovated the buildings, which are now favored by various media and creative companies. Those tenants want more services in the area such as grocery stores, dry cleaners and restaurants, and Trinity believes to attract such tenants it needs to provide more foot traffic at night and weekends.

“We want to retain Hudson Square's status as a creative commercial center,” Ms. Roeder said. “But we also want to create a more dynamic, mixed-used community.

Three hotels have risen in the area, Ms. Roeder said. However, she noted that they haven't brought in the kind of retail that her tenants want. The rezoning proposal wouldn't allow any hotels with more than 100 rooms to be built without a special permit. It also includes disincentives for converting large commercial building into residential ones.

The plan was presented to Community Board 2's Land Use Committee. Neither the heads of the board nor the committee immediately returned calls for comment.
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Hudson Square Seeks Residents
Neighborhood Better Known for Tech, Ad-Firm Offices Bids for New Housing Units.




By JOSEPH DE AVILA
February 22, 2011

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The Manhattan neighborhood near the mouth of the Holland Tunnel has become a haven for tech and advertising firms. Now its biggest property owner wants more people to live there.

Trinity Real Estate, the real-estate arm of Trinity Church, has proposed a rezoning plan to pave the way for up to 3,500 new housing units in the Hudson Square neighborhood. The plan also calls for the construction of a new 420-seat primary school.

The school would be housed in a yet-to-be-built apartment tower on land owned by Trinity at the intersection of Canal and Varick streets and Sixth Avenue. The rezoning would cover around 18 blocks stretching between Canal and West Houston Streets and between Sixth Avenue and Greenwich Street.

"We think we have the potential to be a really terrific New York City neighborhood," said Erin Roeder, vice president for neighborhood development at Trinity.

The plan is still in its early stages. If approved by the city, the rezoning would be a boon for Trinity, which owns about six million square feet of property in Hudson Square, and for other building owners in the area.

The 30% retail vacancy rates in the neighborhood are among the worst in Manhattan, and retailers won't come there unless there are residents to serve, Ms. Roeder said. "We are heavily invested in the area," she said.

Trinity Church has been a force in the neighborhood ever since England's Queen Ann granted about 215 acres of land in Manhattan to the church in 1705. Trinity later gave land grants of its own for new churches, chapels and for what now is Columbia University. It now owns about 15 acres of land in Manhattan.

During the 19th century, the area now known as Hudson Square became a hub of printing and industrial activity. By the 1980s, the neighborhood was changing into a commercial office district that began drawing advertisers from Madison Avenue.

Trinity and others sought a new image for the area. A flurry of suggestions were floated for different names—one was "WeVar" for west of Varick Street—but in the end the Hudson Square name stuck.

"We definitely need our own identity because we are our own distinct neighborhood," said David Reck, a 34-year resident of Hudson Square and chairman of the local community board's land use committee. The community board has been talking about rezoning for years and is going to review the Trinity plan before it goes to the city.

Media companies such as Viacom, Penguin Group USA and CBS Radio have flocked to the area in recent years. Under the current zoning, 96% of Hudson Square is occupied by retail and commercial office space. The proposed changes will allow up to 25% of the neighborhood to be used for housing.

It would also place height limitations on new buildings and bar new nightclubs from opening, Mr. Reck said.

Hotel development would be restricted. New hotels with more than 100 rooms would have to apply for a special permit and would be subject to public review under the plan.

Not everyone agrees with that. "I don't necessarily think that's a good idea," said Charles Blaichman of CB Developers of the hotel limitations.

Mr. Blaichman, who hasn't reviewed the rezoning plan in detail, was one of the developers of the Urban Glass House, a 12-story building erected in 2006 that is one of the few new residential buildings in the area.

He likes the notion of getting more people living in Hudson Square.

"It would help with some of the commercial retail space there. It would certainly improve the atmosphere of the neighborhood if they can get some residential there," Mr. Blaichman said.
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Hearing it on Hudson Sq.; It’s all in the heights

November 9, 2011
By ALBERT AMATEAU


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The Department of City Planning heard from the public last week on Trinity Real Estate’s proposal for a Special Hudson Square District intended to encourage mixed-use, residential and commercial development. The proposal would cover an 18-block manufacturing district, roughly between Canal and W. Houston Sts. and between Greenwich St. and Sixth Ave., in an area where changes are running far ahead of land-use rules.

The rezoning would set height limits on new buildings, allow new residential construction and some conversion of commercial buildings...At the now-vacant lot that Trinity owns in the southeast corner of the district with frontages on three wide thoroughfares, Varick and Canal Sts. and Sixth Ave., the zoning would permit a 430-foot-tall, residential building, the district’s tallest, with space for a 420-seat public elementary school on the lower floors.

The zoning would allow as-of-right, residential conversion of buildings up to 50,000 square feet, but several groups and residents wanted residential conversions allowed for larger buildings in the district — of 70,000 square feet or more.

Except for the 430-foot limit at the southeast corner of the district, the zoning calls for a height limit of 320 feet on the wide streets of Canal, Greenwich, Hudson and Varick Sts. and Sixth Ave. On the narrow streets, the height cap would be 185 feet....The Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation said the 320-foot height limit on wide streets in the district is too high, even though it’s lower than the no-limit present zoning. G.V.S.H.P. wants the E.I.S. to consider a 185-foot height limit for wide streets and strongly advised that the 430-foot cap for the southeast corner of the district should be cut back.

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http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...raft_scope.pdf

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...square/eas.pdf
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That group opposing the 420 foot height are real sticklers, but you'd think with a new elementary school as part of the plan they'd cut the developers some slack and let them build a little taller. Especially considering there's that newish hotel a block east by the basketball courts on 6th that is reasonably tall, but I guess that's out of the designated area.

There's also a huge lot, at least by this neighborhoods standards on I think it's Van Dam, might be one block south, between Varick and Greenwich. Two new tallish hotels have been recently built near by so that site will get something new as well, eventually.
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That group opposing the 420 foot height are real sticklers...
As Guiliani used to say about the NIMBYs, "they're against everything".
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I don't really want to see tall towers in this area, which is dominated by beautiful, old buildings. Trump SoHo is too tall. I'd like to see stunning ground scrapers like those around Astor Place or on 10th Ave. in Chelsea.
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