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Outside interference in Local and Provincial Politics

Below is an article from the National Post about the Tides Foundation (and others) sticking their radical leftist, environmental nose in BC's political scene again.

This isn't the first time they have interfered or influenced politics here, as the US-based Tides Foundation was a huge supporter of Gregor Robertson's Mayoral campaign. (I'll see if I can dig that article up too). The whole Liberal leadership/membership vote is a disaster with or without foreign influence, but none the less I think it is disgusting at the exploitation.

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U.S. environmentalists are meddling in B.C.’s election

National Post February 17, 2011 – 8:15 am

By Vivian Krause

On Feb. 26, members of the B.C. Liberal party will choose a new leader who will immediately become the provincial premier, replacing Gordon Campbell. But who will those Liberal members be? The party’s membership has recently tripled, from 30,000 to 90,000, in part due to a major questionable campaign by environmental activists to stack the membership and shape the leadership choice.

The membership situation itself, including a cat on the list, is so troubling that some are calling for Elections B.C. to take over the party’s membership lists. But the environmental campaign has also prompted outrage from veteran B.C. leftists such as Murray Dobbin. In his Vancouver Sun column, he called the strategy “profoundly dishonest” and “an insult” to progressive activists everywhere.

The strategy he’s talking about is the campaign by a coalition of environmental organizations to encourage voters across the province to join the Liberal party to vote on the leadership — even if they have no intention of voting Liberal in an election. “It is essentially political fraud,” wrote Mr. Dobbin recently.

The plan is clever. “If you received this message, you live in a provincial riding with very few Liberal Party members, probably less than 400,” says an email from Organizing for Change (OC), the umbrella group backing the campaign. In emails to environmental group members, organizers have been telling people to join the Liberal party temporarily, even if they would actually vote for the NDP or the Green party.

According to Mr. Dobbin, “that progressive groups would do this is truly disgusting” and a betrayal of the “highest possible ethical standards. What on earth were these groups thinking?”

But it’s not what these groups were thinking that is most worrisome — it is what the funders of OC are thinking that is cause for concern. While OC encompasses local environmental groups such as the Dogwood Initiative, Ecojustice, Georgia Strait Alliance and Wildsight, my research into U.S. tax filings shows OC also comes with massive support from unlikely sources south of the border.

OC is a project of Tides Canada, a U.S.-funded charitable foundation. In practice, OC explicitly aims to influence the leadership picks of both the B.C. Liberals and the NDP. The campaign is directly funded by the Wilburforce Foundation, based in Seattle, through the U.S. Tides Foundation (“Tides USA”), based in San Francisco. Since 2003, Wilburforce has paid Tides USA a total of $329,000, specifically designated to support Tides Canada’s Operation for Change project, or its predecessor, the Environmental Resource Centre. In 2005, Wilburforce granted funds specifically for a “youth voting initiative” that would “give B.C. environmental groups access to a segment of the population that they are otherwise not usually exposed to,” according to the organization.

The member organizations of OC are paid well over $1-million per year from five U.S. foundations: Wilburforce, Brainerd, Bullitt, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund. All five foundations fund projects that would block Canadian oil exports to Asia and give the U.S. a virtual monopoly on Canadian oil exports.

Wilburforce is funded by James Letwin and his wife, Rosanna, friends of Bill Gates, and part of the original group that gave rise to Microsoft. Since 1999, the Letwins have given $80-million to Wilburforce. Rosanna Letwin has been the chair since 1999.

At its own website, Wilburforce doesn’t say that OC aims to sway the political process in a foreign country — which is against the rules. Wilburforce says that this project is “to support and promote collaboration among environmental organizations.” Back in 2002, Wilburforce paid Tides Canada “to construct an ongoing entity similar to the League of Conservation Voters or the Washington Environmental Alliance for Voter Education that would enhance the effectiveness of B.C. environmental organizations through enhanced membership lists, targeted messaging and capacity building.”

One of the members of OC is the Dogwood Initiative, based in Victoria. Wilburforce specifically paid Tides USA for the Dogwood Initiative “to work with First Nations to increase leverage to expand conservation and local control of land in the Great Bear Rainforest.”

When the Dogwood Initiative tries to sway the Liberal and the N.D.P leadership nominations through OC, Canadians need to ask where this support is coming from — and why. The Dogwood Initiative has 70,000 members in its “No Tankers” campaign. It wants those members to join the Liberal party to vote for a new leader who will “support a federal legislated tanker ban on BC’s north coast,” says Eric Swanson, the executive director of the Dogwood Initiative. “The initial response has been very positive and the number of No Tankers supporters within the (B.C.) Liberal Party is growing,” Swanson writes.

Elections B.C. should be looking into the Liberal membership in British Columbia, not only because of the ethical issues raised by Mr. Dobbin but also because there is evidence of a foreign-funded campaign to meddle in our political process for reasons and motives that, while open to speculation, may not be in Canada’s interests — and certainly not in the interests of democracy.

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This isn't political per-sea, but another article on US environmentalists and their money and their affect on Alberta Tourism.

Environmental Activists Hide Behind a Screen of US Money
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An article from the Georgia Strait on the relationship between Tides Foundation and Gregor Robertson

Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson's associate generated significant income from charity work
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join the Liberal party to vote on the leadership — even if they have no intention of voting Liberal in an election. “It is essentially political fraud,” wrote Mr. Dobbin recently.
So is it fraud if a youth votes on the leadership but can't vote in an election?

Anyways i much rather have BC focus its economy with emerging economies (Asia) rather than the states
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Not that it necessarily makes it right but the lobbying goes both ways. And while these "leftist" US companies may or may not have the best interests of Canada at heart, do even our Canadian corporations have the best interests of Canada at heart or is it just about $$$? I'm sure a significant number do care about Canada or Vancouver or whatever but prob more treat Canada as 2nd fiddle to $$$. Or even our politicians - no matter what the party it always seems friends(read large donors) to the party get appointed to cushy gov't jobs like being a Senator etc.

And to be honest, I'm ok with lobbying as long as each visit/phone call/email is reported and that it is made public about which company did the visiting and when(would love to know all the details but that will never happen). And as long as said lobbying doesn't involve donations(read bribes), cronyism, or anything of that sort. We live in a global society, having outside influence will always be there.

The politicians are "trusted" to ensure that they do the best they can to do what is best for everyone and for each individual within their jurisdiction without causing undue harm to our neighboring jurisdictions. Unfortunately this is where things go wrong. No matter the party, it always seems to be the friends of the party that get looked after and the rest are just an afterthought. Prob a big part of it would no doubt get corrected if we could somehow ban outside money(or things in lieu of money like trips, cushy private jobs after gov't, etc) from politics/political advertising and only use a set amount of taxpayer funds to do the electioneering based on some kind of fair calculation. Its the only way to ensure that wealthy private donors like unions/corporations/etc have limited sway on the gov't and that all the people themselves are better represented. That said, I'm not sure we could even do that, especially paid political ads are probably free speech, even if they weren't, we would still get ads that skirt just around the edges of the rules or that wouldn't be overtly political but still be influential.

Instead of bashing either side with they did this, so and so did that, perhaps we should try to come up with some ideas as to how we fix this problem without violating our charter of rights and freedoms and push to get that implemented. Thoughts?

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There's also the US led campaign against BC farmed salmon:

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_pr...01024&sponsor=
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This isn't political per-sea, but another article on US environmentalists and their money and their affect on Alberta Tourism.

Environmental Activists Hide Behind a Screen of US Money
Interesting, as I had thought about posting about this matter in the Canada forum, as it affects the whole country (though our civic politics seem to be the most egregious example of this type of foreign influence).

There's really two issues here:
1) Foreign funding of Canadian electoral candidates, and the use of money that is given to charities (who by law aren't supposed to be politically active in this manner). I would hope that all forumers could agree both these are bad things.
2) Whether these American environmental groups are wittingly or unwittingly manouevering to ensure that Canada's oil cannot be easily exported to China, and is instead kept for US consumption. This is Krause's thesis, and likely to be more contentious.
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Interesting, as I had thought about posting about this matter in the Canada forum, as it affects the whole country (though our civic politics seem to be the most egregious example of this type of foreign influence).

There's really two issues here:
1) Foreign funding of Canadian electoral candidates, and the use of money that is given to charities (who by law aren't supposed to be politically active in this manner). I would hope that all forumers could agree both these are bad things.
2) Whether these American environmental groups are wittingly or unwittingly manouevering to ensure that Canada's oil cannot be easily exported to China, and is instead kept for US consumption. This is Krause's thesis, and likely to be more contentious.
I don't think the article/op-ed mentioned anything about foreign funding of electoral candidates, but I would agree that is bad whether it is done through a charity or not. I would tend to want to include political donations from multi-nationals like GE/Plutonic Power or the Norwegian fish farming companies in this bad lot.

The article/op-ed did imply that there is a foreign funded campaign, ie. to create websites/ads to get the people to lobby politicians, etc, but not that there is foreign funding of an electoral candidate. The wording is very carefully chosen and a lot of people after a quick read would come to the same conclusion, I had to read it over a few times to notice it. It is political but not directly funding a candidate, think of it as a 3rd party, like the fish farm believe everything on the internet tv commercial from the non-profit BC Salmon Farmer's Association http://www.salmonfarmers.org/(and its mostly funded by "Canadian" subsidiaries of the Norwegian fish farming corporations - aka multinational corp). In any case, I'm pretty sure that one doesn't need to register as a lobbyist unless you directly lobby the government, if you lobby the people to lobby the government through websites/commercials that is another matter entirely.

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Canadians spend a lot of time debating whether we should or shouldn’t “put the brakes” on the oilsands, or at least adjust our policy towards them. It’s an important discussion and one that every Canadian has a right to participate in. What’s slowly coming to light — thanks to investigators like Ms. Krause — is that Canadian politicians are increasingly being targeted by campaigns aimed at influencing our industrial policies but paid for with U.S. dollars. This is hardly the only example. As Ms. Krause detailed in a National Post op-ed Thursday, Tides Canada’s “Organizing for Change” project has apparently been working to swing the outcome of the leadership races for both the B.C. Liberals and B.C. NDP — again, with the help of money sent northward by American funds. “There is evidence of a foreign-funded campaign to meddle in our political process for reasons and motives that, while open to speculation, may not be in Canada’s interests,” Ms. Krause wrote.

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Well, I guess when your own country is messed up beyond any hope of fixing it you meddle with others.
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I don't think the article/op-ed mentioned anything about foreign funding of electoral candidates, but I would agree that is bad whether it is done through a charity or not. I would tend to want to include political donations from multi-nationals like GE/Plutonic Power or the Norwegian fish farming companies in this bad lot..
Sorry, I should have clarified...I was drawing in another article the Post had run on Tides Canada and Gregor Robertson:

A charity with plenty of very long tentacles]

...Along the way, Mr. Solomon has been moving around impressive sums of cash, a good portion of it passing at some point through the hands of Tides, the organization's tax returns show. Since 2000, U.S. foundations have given at least $57 million to Tides Canada. While the bulk of it has found its way, stripped of the identity of its original donors, to non-profits and charities, a good deal has also ended up paying the businesses and people that surround Mr. Solomon and Tides.

For instance, while Ms Newell's foundation, Endswell, run by Mr. Solomon, has sent 99% of its grant money directly to Tides, suggesting it's a fairly non-complicated operation, it has, in the last six years, its own U.S. tax filings show, spent an average of nearly $2 million yearly on administration costs such as consulting fees, and salaries, including, from 2006 to 2008, more than $140,000 a year to Mr. Solomon...

...But the connections, more recently, extend to another address: Vancouver City Hall. Before becoming a politician, mayor Gregor Robertson was an organic farmer on Cortes Island and a co-founder of Happy Planet Foods, an organic juice company bankrolled in its start-up phase by Joel Solomon's Renewal Partners. Mr. Robertson was also treasurer at Hollyhock in 2003 and 2004 and a board member at Tides Canada from 2002 to 2004...
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This whole thread is ridiculous. There are billions of dollars from foreign companies being invested in the tar sands including state owned Chinese oil companies. As tar sands firms contribute to politicians and campaigns, Worrying about the small amount allegedly being spent by charities is kinda like worrying about someone farting on the Titanic.

For example, powerful lobbying effort led by Canadian officials and huge oil firms are stopping climate change legislation in the states.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/06/28/Oi...stsWashington/
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This whole thread is ridiculous. There are billions of dollars from foreign companies being invested in the tar sands including state owned Chinese oil companies. As tar sands firms contribute to politicians and campaigns, Worrying about the small amount allegedly being spent by charities is kinda like worrying about someone farting on the Titanic.

For example, powerful lobbying effort led by Canadian officials and huge oil firms are stopping climate change legislation in the states.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/06/28/Oi...stsWashington/
Getting worried your idol is being exposed for what he is?

There's something rotten in the whole situation. Robertson and Vision should immediately renounce taking funding from any foreign interests. Period.
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Sorry, I should have clarified...I was drawing in another article the Post had run on Tides Canada and Gregor Robertson:

A charity with plenty of very long tentacles]

...Along the way, Mr. Solomon has been moving around impressive sums of cash, a good portion of it passing at some point through the hands of Tides, the organization's tax returns show. Since 2000, U.S. foundations have given at least $57 million to Tides Canada. While the bulk of it has found its way, stripped of the identity of its original donors, to non-profits and charities, a good deal has also ended up paying the businesses and people that surround Mr. Solomon and Tides.

For instance, while Ms Newell's foundation, Endswell, run by Mr. Solomon, has sent 99% of its grant money directly to Tides, suggesting it's a fairly non-complicated operation, it has, in the last six years, its own U.S. tax filings show, spent an average of nearly $2 million yearly on administration costs such as consulting fees, and salaries, including, from 2006 to 2008, more than $140,000 a year to Mr. Solomon...

...But the connections, more recently, extend to another address: Vancouver City Hall. Before becoming a politician, mayor Gregor Robertson was an organic farmer on Cortes Island and a co-founder of Happy Planet Foods, an organic juice company bankrolled in its start-up phase by Joel Solomon's Renewal Partners. Mr. Robertson was also treasurer at Hollyhock in 2003 and 2004 and a board member at Tides Canada from 2002 to 2004...

But the op-ed also outlines the problem too, which if we solve that, the foreign funded elected official campaigns come to an end:

"Vancouver, unlike many other governments, has no rules against foreign election donations, nor any donation or spending limits; disclosure of donor records comes only after the election ends, leaving voters in the dark about whose money, and how much of it, is behind which candidate."

"After some criticism over the U.S. donations, Mr. Robertson said he would be willing to consider new election fund rules, though nothing has happened yet."

All these op-eds have a common theme in that they only focusing on what Vision Vancouver got, and some even quote opponents from the NPA. Since there is nothing stopping others from doing the same thing, more than likely the other parties did/are doing the same thing.
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There's also the US led campaign against BC farmed salmon:

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_pr...01024&sponsor=
There's also a Norwegian led campaign for BC farmed salmon - the non-profit BC Salmon Farmers Association http://www.salmonfarmers.org/

Looks like Canada is becoming a battle ground that other countries use to fight on.
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Yeah, that would be the source of the various TV ads you see nowadays.
It just seems strange that you have to spend so much money to counter negative publicity.
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It isn't only on environmental issues that Americans stick their noses into Canada's (and other countries') internal affairs. Long before the shock of 9/11, and the pretext for the Iraq war, Americans - of a certain stripe,to be fair - have had the inability to distinguish between their own national boundaries and those of other nations.

Examples proliferate; Korea, or worse, Viet Nam (to "stop communism") .. and other military ventures into arenas which did NOT threaten the USA or its allies.

On the home front, here in Canada, back in 1964, when the Canada Health Act was being debated - and ultimately passed into law, to give us the universal health care we have today, - American doctors were lobbying hard against it, pouring millions into campaigns such as the environmental ones mentioned above - to try and keep the Health Act from going through, in order to keep the Canadian health market private profit oriented, and to have access thereto.

At the outset of the Viet Nam war, the American government approached the Canadian government and asked us to join the battle, as though it was a fait accompli that we would. Their noses were out of joint when Canada refused, and many Americans could not understand why Canada said "no."

The USA has always had a hard time understanding that the world does not belong to them. Equally unfortunate is the fact that Canada often has a Pollyanna Syndrome happening, where it's believed that nothing can go wrong, and that as such, we don't need to develop real teeth.

Perhaps some dental surgery is in order.
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Getting worried your idol is being exposed for what he is?

There's something rotten in the whole situation. Robertson and Vision should immediately renounce taking funding from any foreign interests. Period.
You seem to have a double standard. The NPA accepted money from CN which is partially owned by Warren Buffet, an American. We are in a global economy where companies are owned by people from around the world. People in Vancouver work for these companies. Are you suggesting that these people should not be allowed to donate as individuals? What about someone who works at American owned companies like MacDonalds or Starbucks. This is essential the type of ridiculous "case" that Krause is trying to make.

Time for some critical thinking people. Don't fall for the spin.
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This whole thread is ridiculous. There are billions of dollars from foreign companies being invested in the tar sands including state owned Chinese oil companies. As tar sands firms contribute to politicians and campaigns, Worrying about the small amount allegedly being spent by charities is kinda like worrying about someone farting on the Titanic.

For example, powerful lobbying effort led by Canadian officials and huge oil firms are stopping climate change legislation in the states.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/06/28/Oi...stsWashington/
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You seem to have a double standard. The NPA accepted money from CN which is partially owned by Warren Buffet, an American. We are in a global economy where companies are owned by people from around the world. People in Vancouver work for these companies. Are you suggesting that these people should not be allowed to donate as individuals? What about someone who works at American owned companies like MacDonalds or Starbucks. This is essential the type of ridiculous "case" that Krause is trying to make.

Time for some critical thinking people. Don't fall for the spin.
There is no spin. However, I can see how someone brought into the inner circle of Vision's agenda would like to dismiss it as such.

What there is, is the very troubling issue of how Tides is moving money around. As the article I quoted points out, there is a very, very convoluted financial structure being built there. The question is: why? It is illegal for charities to use donations for political purposes. Full stop. End of story.
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There is no spin. However, I can see how someone brought into the inner circle of Vision's agenda would like to dismiss it as such.

What there is, is the very troubling issue of how Tides is moving money around. As the article I quoted points out, there is a very, very convoluted financial structure being built there. The question is: why? It is illegal for charities to use donations for political purposes. Full stop. End of story.
A bit of a laugh coming from someone who appears to be in the City Caucus inner circle or maybe the City Circle inner caucus. Pretty obvious nothing illegal is happening or there would have been charges. All these trumped up nontroveries are really rather tiring and an insult to people's intelligence. Individuals are allowed to donate to political campaigns. It doesn't matter whether they work for charities or big multinational corporations, that is their choice to make.
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